The corona virus COVID-19

 
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Now this
From the premier Dandrews

Media Release
19th Nov 2020

Temporary Border Controls With South Australia
In response to the coronavirus outbreak in South Australia, the Victorian Government is taking decisive action to protect the incredible achievement of Victorians in delivering zero cases for 20 days and will implement temporary border controls from tonight.

Fragments of the virus that causes coronavirus were detected in untreated wastewater taken from Portland and Benalla wastewater treatment plants on Tuesday 17 November. The preliminary positive test results received yesterday are unexpected and concerning given there are no residents of either area known to have had a recent coronavirus illness or diagnosis.

Residents of Portland and Benalla and anyone who has visited between 15 and 17 November with any symptoms at all are urged to get tested, and to isolate until they get their result. Hours will be extended at local testing sites for the coming days, with additional testing capacity to be made available. Further wastewater samples are being taken from those two towns – and this detection has no impact on local water supplies.

With community transmission clearly happening in South Australia and in light of the wastewater test results along freight routes in Victoria, the Government is following public health advice and has made the difficult decision to introduce temporary border controls with South Australia.

From 11:59pm Thursday 19 November, a ‘hard border’ will be in place for 48 hours before a permit system comes into effect from 11:59pm Saturday 21 November.

Under the hard border, only freight drivers and those with medical or emergency reasons, urgent animal welfare or as authorised by law will be able to pass through the border.

The final details of the permit scheme will be provided as soon as possible but the reasons to enter Victoria from South Australia from Saturday night will include:

if you are an emergency services worker or a worker providing essential services
for agricultural work
to receive medical care (including seeking coronavirus testing), obtain medical supplies or compassionate reasons
to shop to obtain essential supplies
Victoria Police will establish check points on roads between South Australia and Victoria – a similar approach to what we saw around the perimeter of metropolitan Melbourne while travel restrictions were in place.

Regional Development Victoria will meet with local councils today to determine any resourcing needs for border communities in Victoria while the border controls are in place. The Government will work with councils on what measures are necessary to ensure their communities continue to have access to food, fuel, pharmaceuticals and medical services.

From today, interstate truck drivers travelling through Victoria from South Australia will be offered extra testing at a site at Nhill on the Western Highway. Other testing sites are being activated at other major freight routes. Drivers can also be tested at more than 193 other sites across Victoria.

We’re working with major freight companies, independent operators and industry peak bodies to provide advice about the need for testing and all tested will have their samples fast-tracked for analysis.

The Victorian Government will continue to monitor the SA outbreak and take whatever action is necessary to keep Victorians safe. Our Victorian Public Health team is also supporting SA contact tracers as they continue to track and trace the spread of the virus.

For more information about Victoria’s response or where to get tested visit http://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus or by calling 1800 675 398.

Quotes attributable to Premier Daniel Andrews

“Victorians have worked too hard and given too much to allow anything to put at risk our goal of reaching COVID Normal by Christmas. We’ll do whatever it takes to keep Victorians safe.”

“We know border communities have had an incredibly difficult year – and we don’t take these decisions lightly. Our public health team will work closely with South Australia to monitor the outbreak and get the border back open as soon as it’s safe to do so.”  

Quote attributable to Minister for Health Martin Foley

“We’re asking all locals and visitors in Portland and Benalla with any symptoms at all to please come forward and get tested today.”

“We’ll work with these communities to ensure they have access to the things they need, as we provide further details on border crossings in the coming days.”

Quote attributable to Deputy Chief Health Officer Allen Cheng

“We’re working closely with our public health counterparts in South Australia and other states to monitor the outbreak. We thank those living in border communities for working with us as we work to protect our consecutive zero days.”

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Nurses in South Dakota are saying people dont belive they have Covid right up into their final breath.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/16/south-dakota-nurse-coronavirus-deniers/

Stupid hick Republican supporters, strung along by the mentally incompetent Trump...a bit like some of the conservative supporters over here.

Mike.
But according to Don Trump is OK because he hasn't started any new wars. He doesn't have to as the number of US citizens who have died from COVID-19 have more than made up for a lack of new wars.
There's no proof that President Clinton would have done anything differently regarding COVID19 - she could have been even worse.

And you're seriously comparing 'no new wars' to the handling of COVID19? That's really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The fact that Trump actually wedged the Chinese with North Korea was very clever and straight out of the Richard Nixon playbook and yet none of you people want to celebrate that fact. And the fact that thousands (tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands?) of lives were saved because Trump was the first President since Carter to not start a new war is also not worth celebrating according to you people too.

Because, Trump.
People die in both instances so what's the difference. Your a weirdo mate.
nswtrains
Nah, you're a bloody-minded bigot. Won't give Trump credit where it's due... because Trump.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Nurses in South Dakota are saying people dont belive they have Covid right up into their final breath.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/16/south-dakota-nurse-coronavirus-deniers/

Stupid hick Republican supporters, strung along by the mentally incompetent Trump...a bit like some of the conservative supporters over here.

Mike.
Again with the comedy routine - please stop, we're all in convulsions of laughter.

Tell me, Mike, how many times are you planning to use the Overland when it comes back next month? Every month? Given you were so vocal in agitating for its return I'm guessing you're just busting to put your bum on a seat once its back in operation, right?

If this were the Trump thread I'd have ignored you as I said I would...however as you appear to have had a convulsive laughter attack during the night. I have to ask how you can draw such a long bow between ignorant Republican voting citizens needlessly dying in South Dakota because there is almost no social distancing nor mandated mask wearing and me travelling on the Overland.

I know of a good doctor who may be able to assist you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud

Mike.
The Vinelander
It's no good trying to gaslight me, Mike, better people than you have tried and failed. Anyway you're hardly a paradigm of mental health - remember when you sent me an expletive-laden PM over the cancellation of Overland? I certainly do.

Anyway people dying in South Dakota for not wearing masks - let me see, state responsibility or federal responsibility? According to you (and everyone else) that's Trump's fault. But I'm not sure... in this country it would definitely be in the court of the states.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

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  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Would there be merit in moving the hotel quarantine away from the major cities to more remote locations?
Would this reduce the chance of workers in hotels accidentally catching the virus and spreading within the capital cities?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Would there be merit in moving the hotel quarantine away from the major cities to more remote locations?
Would this reduce the chance of workers in hotels accidentally catching the virus and spreading within the capital cities?
GeoffreyHansen
Sounds good, BUT where is there a proliferation of hotels available? In the major cities of course. Not too many suitable hotels in Thargomindah...
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Would there be merit in moving the hotel quarantine away from the major cities to more remote locations?
Would this reduce the chance of workers in hotels accidentally catching the virus and spreading within the capital cities?
GeoffreyHansen
Setting up a Quarantine Camp at the likes of Learmonth Airport WA would be a more suitable solution to using City Hotels.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Australia has done incredibly well to contain the Covid, and keep our rates of infection and death toll down.

Remember my earlier posts about setting up remote quarantine centres in Woomera, Forrest, TAR?

Yes, they're the posts that some of you autism spectrum disorder experts based your assessments and near sighted conclusions of my earlier posts on...

"It is not an airborne virus... It will be contained within boundaries like the solid walls of a hospital complex." you said...

Well it wasn't, was it?

I told you so!

Time to land some jetliners in Woomera airfield and Forrest. Build tent cities. Disembark pax, quarantine them. When the quarantine period is over, they can board trains to travel to the east or west. We have the space, we have the remoteness, and Covid is going to be with us for a while, VAX or no VAX.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-quarantine-oversight-could-cause-big-issue/news-story/3f924b0d2e8842175ba2c70d62054929
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Would there be merit in moving the hotel quarantine away from the major cities to more remote locations?
Would this reduce the chance of workers in hotels accidentally catching the virus and spreading within the capital cities?
GeoffreyHansen
Depends what you mean by remote, but I'd say no, for a few reasons.

Firstly, let's say the NRMA resort at Merimbula (as a purely hypothetical example) was chosen as a quarantine centre. That would kill the town, which relies mostly on tourism. No-one would book a holiday at any place in town if it was known that it was a potential Covid host.

Secondly, a worker at such a quarantine facility in Merimbula has equal chance of taking the virus home and spreading it among his family, and then the wider community, as his city based counterpart, but the results would be far more devastating to his local community.

Thirdly, local health care centres/hospitals would not cope with a large amount of patients that test positive and might eventually need medical care if required. They would still need to be transported to major hospitals elsewhere.

In my humble opinion it is a no-brainer for the relevant authorities to commandeer hotels and motels at or near the airports and leave the CBD hotels to go about their normal business.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Would there be merit in moving the hotel quarantine away from the major cities to more remote locations?
Would this reduce the chance of workers in hotels accidentally catching the virus and spreading within the capital cities?
Depends what you mean by remote, but I'd say no, for a few reasons.

Secondly, a worker at such a quarantine facility in Merimbula has equal chance of taking the virus home and spreading it among his family, and then the wider community, as his city based counterpart, but the results would be far more devastating to his local community.
DirtyBallast

I think this is *exactly* why a remote location is a good idea.  Ideally, the person cleaning the toilets at the Covid Hotel doesn't go back to the home they share with someone who works in a nursing home, or does a second job in a Pizza parlor.

I also think Hotels are inherently problematic as they are designed for crews of other people to service the rooms, and require a large support staff.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Australia has done incredibly well to contain the Covid, and keep our rates of infection and death toll down.

Remember my earlier posts about setting up remote quarantine centres in Woomera, Forrest, TAR?

Yes, they're the posts that some of you autism spectrum disorder experts based your assessments and near sighted conclusions of my earlier posts on...

"It is not an airborne virus... It will be contained within boundaries like the solid walls of a hospital complex." you said...

Well it wasn't, was it?

I told you so!

Time to land some jetliners in Woomera airfield and Forrest. Build tent cities. Disembark pax, quarantine them. When the quarantine period is over, they can board trains to travel to the east or west. We have the space, we have the remoteness, and Covid is going to be with us for a while, VAX or no VAX.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-quarantine-oversight-could-cause-big-issue/news-story/3f924b0d2e8842175ba2c70d62054929
ANR
There's some simple solutions here that are being completely ignored.

One of the recommendations that came out of the Victorian quarantine hotels and subsequent escape of the virus back into the community was the fact that people who work in the quarantine hotels should NOT be allowed to have other jobs in the community in case they contract the virus and then spread it out to other people in the community via their jobs. There were lots of instances of those infected security guards in Melbourne driving Ubers, doing Uber Eats or in general moonlighting with other jobs that enabled a much faster spread of the virus out into the community because they were working second jobs.

And what do you think happened here in Adelaide? Both clusters were caused by people working in the quarantine hotels in the city that were working second jobs. In the case of the Woodville Pizza bar, this was caused by a security guard at one of the quarantine hotels who was doing a second job as a pizza delivery driver; the fact that he got sick and didn't bother getting tested was just rank stupidity and selfishness.

SA Police Commissioner Grant Stevens was asked about this problem by the media this morning at a press conference and immediately went on the defensive about it saying that people had mortgages to pay etc - all because he knows full well that a lot of the security guards who are doing the quarantine hotels are themselves police officers who are moonlighting (which isn't supposed to be happening!). Not only is it against SAPOL policy which discourages police to have second jobs in case of ethical problems but its clearly against the recommendations that came out of the Victorian inquiry.

Enforce this one simple rule and the outbreaks that happened both here and in Melbourne might have at least been much easier to contain.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Vic DHHS report is over an hour late.  Doesn't sound good....
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not as bad in SA as it looked, some sizeable (hopefully financially crippling) fines headed to a business if they did indeed illegally employ a person and an employee (likely soon to be deported) who worked there seemingly several times whilst infected yet told contact tracers they only visited once to make a purchase.

So all of those cases from that business stem from a person-person contact not a ‘shed, then entered into food’ contact.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The hotels are being used for the economic benefit of the hotel industry.

While I support the use of remote quarantine centers to boost numbers to demand, however a common sense approach to testing and therefore reducing the duration of the quarantine period to around 5-7 days wouldn't hurt either.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Not as bad in SA as it looked, some sizeable (hopefully financially crippling) fines headed to a business if they did indeed illegally employ a person and an employee (likely soon to be deported) who worked there seemingly several times whilst infected yet told contact tracers they only visited once to make a purchase.

So all of those cases from that business stem from a person-person contact not a ‘shed, then entered into food’ contact.
Aaron
So just like that it's all over.

That Indian gentleman who lied to authorities about his whereabouts isn't even being fined, let alone deported. Imagine the millions of dollars in lost wages, in restaurants and food places throwing out stock in anticipation of being closed for a whole week - all because one person lied to the government.

This thing has been a mess right from the start - I'm smelling a class action against the government.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not as bad in SA as it looked, some sizeable (hopefully financially crippling) fines headed to a business if they did indeed illegally employ a person and an employee (likely soon to be deported) who worked there seemingly several times whilst infected yet told contact tracers they only visited once to make a purchase.

So all of those cases from that business stem from a person-person contact not a ‘shed, then entered into food’ contact.
So just like that it's all over.

That Indian gentleman who lied to authorities about his whereabouts isn't even being fined, let alone deported. Imagine the millions of dollars in lost wages, in restaurants and food places throwing out stock in anticipation of being closed for a whole week - all because one person lied to the government.

This thing has been a mess right from the start - I'm smelling a class action against the government.
don_dunstan
The are no penalties currently applied for being misleading to contact tracers, but, not unlike how they ‘got Capone’ there are still taxation and immigration routes available for use.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Not as bad in SA as it looked, some sizeable (hopefully financially crippling) fines headed to a business if they did indeed illegally employ a person and an employee (likely soon to be deported) who worked there seemingly several times whilst infected yet told contact tracers they only visited once to make a purchase.

So all of those cases from that business stem from a person-person contact not a ‘shed, then entered into food’ contact.
So just like that it's all over.

That Indian gentleman who lied to authorities about his whereabouts isn't even being fined, let alone deported. Imagine the millions of dollars in lost wages, in restaurants and food places throwing out stock in anticipation of being closed for a whole week - all because one person lied to the government.

This thing has been a mess right from the start - I'm smelling a class action against the government.
The are no penalties currently applied for being misleading to contact tracers, but, not unlike how they ‘got Capone’ there are still taxation and immigration routes available for use.
Aaron
He wouldn't own up to working there because he knew full well it was in breach of his visa conditions. So for that reason restaurants and cafes had to throw away millions of dollars worth of food, people lost wages and were permanently disrupted is because some liar was frightened his visa would be cancelled.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

What is it with Pizza shops, an outraged public, and rolling dumpster fires?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

What is it with Pizza shops, an outraged public, and rolling dumpster fires?
Carnot
And children in the basement of pizza shops????
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not as bad in SA as it looked, some sizeable (hopefully financially crippling) fines headed to a business if they did indeed illegally employ a person and an employee (likely soon to be deported) who worked there seemingly several times whilst infected yet told contact tracers they only visited once to make a purchase.

So all of those cases from that business stem from a person-person contact not a ‘shed, then entered into food’ contact.
So just like that it's all over.

That Indian gentleman who lied to authorities about his whereabouts isn't even being fined, let alone deported. Imagine the millions of dollars in lost wages, in restaurants and food places throwing out stock in anticipation of being closed for a whole week - all because one person lied to the government.

This thing has been a mess right from the start - I'm smelling a class action against the government.
The are no penalties currently applied for being misleading to contact tracers, but, not unlike how they ‘got Capone’ there are still taxation and immigration routes available for use.
He wouldn't own up to working there because he knew full well it was in breach of his visa conditions. So for that reason restaurants and cafes had to throw away millions of dollars worth of food, people lost wages and were permanently disrupted is because some liar was frightened his visa would be cancelled.
don_dunstan
The business owner/manager is not looking great either, when someone was traced to the pizza shop in question as a source, you don’t think the contact tracers didn’t ask for a list of employees - you better believe they did, that this guy wasn’t on the list ... seems to be quite damning.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
‘Spanish national on a temporary graduate visa’ expiring in December - yeah, that’s not being renewed.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Really the one's not looking good here are the premier Steve Marshall law and SA health department for blaming someone who has lied

You can't fault the SA response but you can fault the the hotel quantine system itself and the way it operates, employing a casualised workforce probably foreign workers on temporary visas probably under trained not tested enough (your only as good as your last test) this could/will happen again quite easily tomorrow next week next month on Thursday for all we know

Pay them properly, some need two or more jobs to make ends meet pathetic in this day and age, having a casualised workforce as the front line covid 19 response seems to me a lesson NOT learned
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Really the one's not looking good here are the premier Steve Marshall law and SA health department for blaming someone who has lied

You can't fault the SA response but you can fault the the hotel quantine system itself and the way it operates, employing a casualised workforce probably foreign workers on temporary visas probably under trained not tested enough (your only as good as your last test) this could/will happen again quite easily tomorrow next week next month on Thursday for all we know

Pay them properly, some need two or more jobs to make ends meet pathetic in this day and age, having a casualised workforce as the front line covid 19 response seems to me a lesson NOT learned
doyle
When will they learn, deploy ADF personal to the quarantine system (that's their job, to protect Australia)
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
There's some simple solutions here that are being completely ignored.

One of the recommendations that came out of the Victorian quarantine hotels and subsequent escape of the virus back into the community was the fact that people who work in the quarantine hotels should NOT be allowed to have other jobs in the community in case they contract the virus and then spread it out to other people in the community via their jobs. There were lots of instances of those infected security guards in Melbourne driving Ubers, doing Uber Eats or in general moonlighting with other jobs that enabled a much faster spread of the virus out into the community because they were working second jobs.

And what do you think happened here in Adelaide? Both clusters were caused by people working in the quarantine hotels in the city that were working second jobs. In the case of the Woodville Pizza bar, this was caused by a security guard at one of the quarantine hotels who was doing a second job as a pizza delivery driver; the fact that he got sick and didn't bother getting tested was just rank stupidity and selfishness.

SA Police Commissioner Grant Stevens was asked about this problem by the media this morning at a press conference and immediately went on the defensive about it saying that people had mortgages to pay etc - all because he knows full well that a lot of the security guards who are doing the quarantine hotels are themselves police officers who are moonlighting (which isn't supposed to be happening!). Not only is it against SAPOL policy which discourages police to have second jobs in case of ethical problems but its clearly against the recommendations that came out of the Victorian inquiry.

Enforce this one simple rule and the outbreaks that happened both here and in Melbourne might have at least been much easier to contain.
don_dunstan

Whodathunkit, the workers' friend don_dunstan outs himself as a a rabid supporter of the gig economy, zero hour contracts and casualisation of the work force Razz
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Whodathunkit, the workers' friend don_dunstan outs himself as a a rabid supporter of the gig economy, zero hour contracts and casualisation of the work force Razz
bingley hall
So insisting that people who work in quarantine shouldn't have second jobs for public safety is the same thing as being a radical Johnny Howard Workchoices adherent?

One of your dumbest posts yet.

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