The New South Wales Government has announced $33 billion worth of transport infrastructure investments in its 2020-21 State Budget, including $14 billion in transport infrastructure to connect Greater Sydney.
Amazing investment in Sydney will will bring benefits and investment from business.
Amazing investment in Sydney will will bring benefits and investment from business.
not really - the budget is stuffed - and there still spending money..no real new jobs - just people moving to the next project ..
No, its an increase in spending per year, so there are more "real" jobs. Even if there wasn't it provides ongoing demand for services and materials for economy to supply.
Amazing investment in Sydney will will bring benefits and investment from business.
not really - the budget is stuffed - and there still spending money..no real new jobs - just people moving to the next project ..
How many times over the years in RP have various posters talked down the need for a Surplus, the roosters have come home.
Amazing investment in Sydney will will bring benefits and investment from business.
not really - the budget is stuffed - and there still spending money..no real new jobs - just people moving to the next project ..
Our budget isn't anywhere near as bad as the other states.
What amazes me about this expenditure, is that no one seems to be getting from one place to another place more quickly than before - metro excepted perhaps. No realignments, no faster trains. Speed is almost never mentioned - it’s all about safety and reliability. Noble that they are but they also miss an essential element in my opinion.Yes and No, you are mixing apples with Oranges.
Whenever this kind of cash is spent in my current country you normally see large reductions in real travel time - in one case pulling hours out of a trip.
Yes for CRR and MM1 - but not in NSW.You would think that Transport for NSW would be looking at staged mainline railway realignments of the Main South to say Goulburn and the North Coast to say Tarre, where the parallel highway has been mostly developed Into a full standard motorway (110 km/h) but the mainline railway remains on It's slow Indirect steam age alignments.
I used one stark example. Where I am they also pull time out of suburban trips, every project has this aspect, whereas all I see in NSW is lengthening times, especially the timetable changes in the 2000s, not shortening them.
I don’t see regional rail in NSW getting any faster either. Maybe a bit with the XPT replacements. You would think with all this money, there might be a larger performance benefit.
Yes for CRR and MM1 - but not in NSW.
I used one stark example. Where I am they also pull time out of suburban trips, every project has this aspect, whereas all I see in NSW is lengthening times, especially the timetable changes in the 2000s, not shortening them.
I don’t see regional rail in NSW getting any faster either. Maybe a bit with the XPT replacements. You would think with all this money, there might be a larger performance benefit.
You would think that Transport for NSW would be looking at staged mainline railway realignments of the Main South to say Goulburn and the North Coast to say Tarre, where the parallel highway has been mostly developed Into a full standard motorway (110 km/h) but the mainline railway remains on It's slow Indirect steam age alignments.None of those lines are under the control of TNSW. Those are all ARTC lines and funded by themselves or the federal government.
That the lines are operated by ARTC (leased from NSW) is not a barrier to NSW contributing funding to upgrades.You would think that Transport for NSW would be looking at staged mainline railway realignments of the Main South to say Goulburn and the North Coast to say Tarre, where the parallel highway has been mostly developed Into a full standard motorway (110 km/h) but the mainline railway remains on It's slow Indirect steam age alignments.None of those lines are under the control of TNSW. Those are all ARTC lines and funded by themselves or the federal government.
That the lines are operated by ARTC (leased from NSW) is not a barrier to NSW contributing funding to upgrades.You would think that Transport for NSW would be looking at staged mainline railway realignments of the Main South to say Goulburn and the North Coast to say Tarre, where the parallel highway has been mostly developed Into a full standard motorway (110 km/h) but the mainline railway remains on It's slow Indirect steam age alignments.None of those lines are under the control of TNSW. Those are all ARTC lines and funded by themselves or the federal government.
The feds fund upgrades for state-operated lines all the time.
Rubbish. If NSW ever wanted to upgrade these lines, they wouldn't let that little obstacle get in the way.That the lines are operated by ARTC (leased from NSW) is not a barrier to NSW contributing funding to upgrades.You would think that Transport for NSW would be looking at staged mainline railway realignments of the Main South to say Goulburn and the North Coast to say Tarre, where the parallel highway has been mostly developed Into a full standard motorway (110 km/h) but the mainline railway remains on It's slow Indirect steam age alignments.None of those lines are under the control of TNSW. Those are all ARTC lines and funded by themselves or the federal government.
The feds fund upgrades for state-operated lines all the time.
Yes it is a barrier. The point of leasing the lines to the ARTC is so that NSW doesn't have to put money in to the line. Any such line is going to require a lot of money and if the NSW government did want something done they wouldn't hand it over the the incompentant oafs at the ARTC.
Yes for CRR and MM1 - but not in NSW.Sydney Metro lines will be faster than existing lines.
I used one stark example. Where I am they also pull time out of suburban trips, every project has this aspect, whereas all I see in NSW is lengthening times, especially the timetable changes in the 2000s, not shortening them.
I don’t see regional rail in NSW getting any faster either. Maybe a bit with the XPT replacements. You would think with all this money, there might be a larger performance benefit.
No it isn't rubbish. The lines while under ARTC control until 2064 and will not get any funding from the NSW Government. NSW might build some new rail lines which is actually what might be happening but it will not fund any improvements the the existing line while ARTC are in charge. The current Southern highlands services will stay as they are with no improvements aside from whatever the new trains can offer.No Sim's.
$28b into the Sydney metro leaves a $2.2b investment in suburban metro in Melbourne in the dust.But it is not - and never was - $28 Billion for the metro, was it?
Amazing investment in Sydney will will bring benefits and investment from business.
NSW announces massive transport infrastructure budget
No Sim's.
If NSW wants to upgrade the interurban lines currently under ARTC control there is nothing, let me repeat, nothing stopping the NSW govt from funding such a project provided the ARTC approve the technical aspect and there is not compromise to ARTC standards and operations.
Ignoring the South Main, the NSW govt still has full control over the South Coast, Blue Mountains and Central Coast lines and nothing has been spent there to reduce travel time. The Central Coast line likely moves more than all the interurban lines in Victoria do combined outside Geelong. There is plenty of opportunity of not overly expensive to shave 5-10 min off south of Gosford and again north of Gosford.
However I will agree for now, the investment needs to be in the Suburban network for which there can be a knock on effect benefit to the interurban lines with the exception of the south coast line. If ever there was a line crying for investment, this is it.
It wouldn't hurt for the Fed's and NSW to get together and upgrade the Campbelltown to Albury line though. Even $1B used curve easing would make a difference.
This reply to RTT is nothing but foamer nonsense. The actual situation regarding the NE line is far more complex starting with the original standard gauge line built to an appalling standard by the government of the day who had no real interest in rail. The money spent on the show pony Southern Aurora etc would have been better spent on better quality track.No Sim's.
If NSW wants to upgrade the interurban lines currently under ARTC control there is nothing, let me repeat, nothing stopping the NSW govt from funding such a project provided the ARTC approve the technical aspect and there is not compromise to ARTC standards and operations.
Ignoring the South Main, the NSW govt still has full control over the South Coast, Blue Mountains and Central Coast lines and nothing has been spent there to reduce travel time. The Central Coast line likely moves more than all the interurban lines in Victoria do combined outside Geelong. There is plenty of opportunity of not overly expensive to shave 5-10 min off south of Gosford and again north of Gosford.
However I will agree for now, the investment needs to be in the Suburban network for which there can be a knock on effect benefit to the interurban lines with the exception of the south coast line. If ever there was a line crying for investment, this is it.
It wouldn't hurt for the Fed's and NSW to get together and upgrade the Campbelltown to Albury line though. Even $1B used curve easing would make a difference.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. The ARTC don't have any standards because if they did then the current track wouldn't be the complete joke it currently is. It is the ARTC's responsibility and the NSW Government isn't going to fund that joke of an organisation. Macarthur to Albury is the responsibility of the Feds and the ARTC until 2064.
What NSW is looking at is a fast rail corridor completely separate from the main south but that is not for quite some time and likely to be around the time the ARTC's lease comes to an end. https://future.transport.nsw.gov.au/project-highlights/fast-rail
In the short term however the new regional rolling stock for non electrified intercity and regional services and the metro's take priority in.
We weren't talking about the NE nswtrains but lets look at this.So how do know the amounts you provide are anywhere near sufficient? ARTC does what it can with the paltry amounts drip fed to them. How much money was spent on the Hume Freeway which at most times you fire a cannon down it without hitting a single vehicle. What is the solution? Governments stop spending money on show pony projects to buy votes from the motoring public and spend it more strategically.
Was the north east track quality horrendous before the ARTC got their hands on it?
Yes
Did the previous state body neglect the existing track?
Heck yes
What was the ARTC's response when the track was handed over to them?
Shove concrete sleepers in to the same slop that was their before.
What have they done since to fix these issues?
Nothing since there solution is the same as what they did before.
What was that solution?
Shove new concrete sleepers in to the exact same crap as before.
What does the ARTC always say when asked why they haven't properly replaced the formation to fix the problem?
We don't have money for that.....
How much money has the ARTC received to fix these issues along with other infrastruction along that section?
$501 million for the initial converstion and the wodonga bypass. $285 million for concrete sleepers in that project. Another $285 million to fix the north east in 2020 (https://www.artc.com.au/2020/06/05/work-powers-ahead-on-235-million-north-east-rail-line-upgrade/) but sure the ARTC are not to blame one bit.....