The corona virus COVID-19

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Wrong again Don!!, Covid-19 is an extremely dangerous disease that can kill people in their 70's/60's sometimes in their 50's as well, it can leave long lasting complications to some that get it, so far in the U.S.A it has killed nearly 270,000 people!!, and it's going to get a lot worse, you can't seriously tell me that all those are "old folk", can you??
The data doesn't support you've said - this is almost exclusively an old persons disease.

The median age of death from COVID in Australia is 86.

The median ages of death of the average Australian are 78 years for males and 84 years for females. So the grim reaper comes for people infected with COVID who are already in excess of the median death age for adults in Australia.

We're destroying the economy for the sake of trying to save people in nursing homes who are at the end of their lives anyway - that's quite simply the reality of what we're doing.
As evidenced by this thread, I have never seen any topic to rival Coronavirus that has produced so many self-appointed "experts" who are very wise after the event. Adelaide recently had the pants scared off it by a possible pizza shop infection centre, and, to his credit, the Premier reacted immediately. The information was wrong as it turned out, due to a person lying through his teeth. Had it been correct, and no immediate action taken, imagine the outcry if the disease had got away again. Yet, out of the woodwork came the know-alls with immediate condemnation. A few of them need a good dose of COVID-19 to really make them realise how serious it is. As others have said; this disease is dangerous and highly contagious. Infection control must be priority one.
The economy will not be able to afford to continue to do this going into the future - that's all I've ever said. I'm not an expert on this disease but I can tell you all about the side-effects on the economic future of the young because I've seen that result first-hand.

Young people who are disproportionately being asked to pay the cost of protecting the very old from this disease with casual and private sector workers the worst affected by these shut-downs - the public sector has continued to get wage rises into this disaster so they're barely even affected by it. Pensioners and the self-funded retired also aren't affected by it but people trying to start out in life and get mortgages and more secure employment have been severely disrupted, as has the very mechanism by which our society functions - the taxation of production and labour.

You seriously think we can keep doing this ad infinitum then you're delusional - we've got to come up with another way of managing it because another 12 months of this will destroy whatever private sector activity is still left in this country.
don_dunstan
Auschwitz here we come ........................ but only after the elderly have been screwed of any assets that they have spent a lifetime working for.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Wrong again as per usual, Covid claims people in their 60's and 50's as well, it's not just an "old person's disease" as you put it, why don't you go into a hospital and into a covid ward, do you know how many nurses and doctors have died because of this deadly disease??
lsrailfan
Again, an alarmist story not supported by fact.

There have been fifteen deaths in Australia from COVID below the age of sixty.

Fifteen - count them. Almost all of these people had per-existing conditions that complicated their survival from COVID ie: COVID was the complication that finished them off, not the actual cause of death.

More than three thousand people die from suicide in this country every year. There are 1,200 road deaths every year.

The actual death toll of healthy people below the median age of average adult death from COVID in this country is almost zero.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Auschwitz here we come ........................ but only after the elderly have been screwed of any assets that they have spent a lifetime working for.
YM-Mundrabilla
I know that I'm not arguing this point to the right crowd here at Railpage but the fact is that it's the young who are bearing the economic cost of protecting the elderly from this disease because its the elderly who are the cohort dying from it - that's the reality. And we're all going to die at some point, that's also reality. You can't take it with you, you know.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Wrong again as per usual, Covid claims people in their 60's and 50's as well, it's not just an "old person's disease" as you put it, why don't you go into a hospital and into a covid ward, do you know how many nurses and doctors have died because of this deadly disease??
Again, an alarmist story not supported by fact.

There have been fifteen deaths in Australia from COVID below the age of sixty.

Fifteen - count them. Almost all of these people had per-existing conditions that complicated their survival from COVID ie: COVID was the complication that finished them off, not the actual cause of death.

More than three thousand people die from suicide in this country every year. There are 1,200 road deaths every year.

The actual death toll of healthy people below the median age of average adult death from COVID in this country is almost zero.
don_dunstan
Nah Don, I'm talking overseas countries here, heaps of younger people have succumbed to this dreadful disease, again I ask do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this, and some of them are quite young!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Auschwitz here we come ........................ but only after the elderly have been screwed of any assets that they have spent a lifetime working for.
I know that I'm not arguing this point to the right crowd here at Railpage but the fact is that it's the young who are bearing the economic cost of protecting the elderly from this disease because its the elderly who are the cohort dying from it - that's the reality. And we're all going to die at some point, that's also reality. You can't take it with you, you know.
don_dunstan
And it is the now elderly who ,as parents of the then young, went without for years to give these very same kids the education etc that they now enjoy.

I am a firm believer in euthanasia but on my terms not Morrison's, Albanese's, Andrews' (or yours for that matter) and not having been robbed blind beforehand.

Sadly, your proposals appear the way Nazi Germany started out; the Jews, the sick, Gays, Communists, Trade Unionists, Romas, Freemasons, Clerics and Academics etc etc.

No one will die of old age under your government.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Don't worry; we'll still be able to afford Cormann poncing around the world in a VIP jet with his job application in his hand - all at our expense.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Wrong again as per usual, Covid claims people in their 60's and 50's as well, it's not just an "old person's disease" as you put it, why don't you go into a hospital and into a covid ward, do you know how many nurses and doctors have died because of this deadly disease??
Again, an alarmist story not supported by fact.

There have been fifteen deaths in Australia from COVID below the age of sixty.

Fifteen - count them. Almost all of these people had per-existing conditions that complicated their survival from COVID ie: COVID was the complication that finished them off, not the actual cause of death.

More than three thousand people die from suicide in this country every year. There are 1,200 road deaths every year.

The actual death toll of healthy people below the median age of average adult death from COVID in this country is almost zero.
Nah Don, I'm talking overseas countries here, heaps of younger people have succumbed to this dreadful disease, again I ask do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this, and some of them are quite young!
lsrailfan
Because like HIV in Africa @ 750,000 fatalities every year, those people don't have access to the same sorts of treatments that we do.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Auschwitz here we come ........................ but only after the elderly have been screwed of any assets that they have spent a lifetime working for.
I know that I'm not arguing this point to the right crowd here at Railpage but the fact is that it's the young who are bearing the economic cost of protecting the elderly from this disease because its the elderly who are the cohort dying from it - that's the reality. And we're all going to die at some point, that's also reality. You can't take it with you, you know.
And it is the now elderly who ,as parents of the then young, went without for years to give these very same kids the education etc that they now enjoy.

I am a firm believer in euthanasia but on my terms not Morrison's, Albanese's, Andrews' (or yours for that matter) and not having been robbed blind beforehand.

Sadly, your proposals appear the way Nazi Germany started out; the Jews, the sick, Gays, Communists, Trade Unionists, Romas, Freemasons, Clerics and Academics etc etc.

No one will die of old age under your government.
YM-Mundrabilla
Simply put that's just a reductio ad absurdum.

There's nothing 'euthanasia' like about what I'm talking about - I'm simply telling the Railpage community that we can't afford to approach the disease in a way that won't destroy the economy for everyone else. You're clearly spelling out the fact that you're in the cohort most likely to die from COVID - and that's unfortunate but then again at some stage we're all going to kick off this mortal coil. Right?

The basic fact is that we can't afford to destroy all private enterprise in this country for the sake of giving people in nursing home residents a few more months of life (which is basically what we're doing). If we do that then we're at risk of hobbling future generations with an economic millstone the likes of which hasn't been seen since the Great Depression. We're borrowing money from the Bank of Japan at the rate of five billion per week to try and paper over the fact that the economy isn't functioning RIGHT NOW - imagine in another twelve months time if we're still doing that. We're going to destroy this country with debt the likes of which has never been seen before - all for the sake of protecting the lives of the very sick and/or very old.

It doesn't make sense. It's selfish. It's not going to work.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this disease? a lot of them are quite young!
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this disease? a lot of them are quite young!
lsrailfan
You just can't get through to Don on COVID-19. If we hadn't taken the path we have in Australia there would be a dam lot more than just the elderly dying. Ramp the numbers up and hospitals would not cope and it would be become a massacre like in the USA.

As for debt, well the Japs wouldn't lend it if they didn't think we could pay it back. Australia is a very wealthy country unlike the picture of poverty Don paints. Look at the US debt but they still keep trundling along and still the worlds most wealthy country although their wealth distribution policies are not great.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this disease? a lot of them are quite young!
You just can't get through to Don on COVID-19. If we hadn't taken the path we have in Australia there would be a dam lot more than just the elderly dying. Ramp the numbers up and hospitals would not cope and it would be become a massacre like in the USA.

As for debt, well the Japs wouldn't lend it if they didn't think we could pay it back. Australia is a very wealthy country unlike the picture of poverty Don paints. Look at the US debt but they still keep trundling along and still the worlds most wealthy country although their wealth distribution policies are not great.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
So SA erred on the side of caution, locked down, found the issue wasn't as bad as possibly could have been, and opened up after several days. It must have cost them Trillions of dollars and it's going to  take the rest of the country down as well (sarc) terrible, travesty, conspiracy, Q Anon, Biden, Dan Andrews,  BLM, Antifa ....... really.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this disease? a lot of them are quite young!
You just can't get through to Don on COVID-19. If we hadn't taken the path we have in Australia there would be a dam lot more than just the elderly dying. Ramp the numbers up and hospitals would not cope and it would be become a massacre like in the USA.

As for debt, well the Japs wouldn't lend it if they didn't think we could pay it back. Australia is a very wealthy country unlike the picture of poverty Don paints. Look at the US debt but they still keep trundling along and still the worlds most wealthy country although their wealth distribution policies are not great.
nswtrains
You're ignorant. In the United States 170,000 people generally die from influenza every year. This year that hasn't happened because they've had COVID instead with a death toll of 250,000. COVID really isn't the mass-killer that people are terrified of, that you and other people here seem to be irrationally in fear of.

For the millionth time, you can't compare the debt of the United States to that of Australia - I have this argument all the time with people who think that 'modern monetary policy' can work here. It can't. The USA is a global reserve currency and its used all over the world often in place of local currency and most commodities etc are traded in US dollars. The Australian dollar is not the same thing, its not backed by a huge industrial nation and it fluctuates according to our fortunes as a nation. We can't borrow indefinitely and without consequence - it will ultimately become inflationary and chances are that will happen quickly and we wont' be able to control it.

And the Bank of Japan is desperate and will throw money and anything and everything. They own nine percent of the Japanese stock-market for God's sake - they have so much money they throw it things like Brazil and Argentina, any investment with a prospect of a return. By comparison we must look like a sure thing - but you never know the future do you.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this disease? a lot of them are quite young!
You just can't get through to Don on COVID-19. If we hadn't taken the path we have in Australia there would be a dam lot more than just the elderly dying. Ramp the numbers up and hospitals would not cope and it would be become a massacre like in the USA.

As for debt, well the Japs wouldn't lend it if they didn't think we could pay it back. Australia is a very wealthy country unlike the picture of poverty Don paints. Look at the US debt but they still keep trundling along and still the worlds most wealthy country although their wealth distribution policies are not great.
You're ignorant. In the United States 170,000 people generally die from influenza every year. This year that hasn't happened because they've had COVID instead with a death toll of 250,000. COVID really isn't the mass-killer that people are terrified of, that you and other people here seem to be irrationally in fear of.

For the millionth time, you can't compare the debt of the United States to that of Australia - I have this argument all the time with people who think that 'modern monetary policy' can work here. It can't. The USA is a global reserve currency and its used all over the world often in place of local currency and most commodities etc are traded in US dollars. The Australian dollar is not the same thing, its not backed by a huge industrial nation and it fluctuates according to our fortunes as a nation. We can't borrow indefinitely and without consequence - it will ultimately become inflationary and chances are that will happen quickly and we wont' be able to control it.

And the Bank of Japan is desperate and will throw money and anything and everything. They own nine percent of the Japanese stock-market for God's sake - they have so much money they throw it things like Brazil and Argentina, any investment with a prospect of a return. By comparison we must look like a sure thing - but you never know the future do you.
don_dunstan
Well Don I will remain ignorant and irrationally afraid of COVID-19. As far as the US death rate goes, watch this space as I believe you haven't seen anything yet. What if it gets to 1 million? What death rate is acceptable?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Do you know how many nurses and doctors have died from this disease? a lot of them are quite young!
You just can't get through to Don on COVID-19. If we hadn't taken the path we have in Australia there would be a dam lot more than just the elderly dying. Ramp the numbers up and hospitals would not cope and it would be become a massacre like in the USA.

As for debt, well the Japs wouldn't lend it if they didn't think we could pay it back. Australia is a very wealthy country unlike the picture of poverty Don paints. Look at the US debt but they still keep trundling along and still the worlds most wealthy country although their wealth distribution policies are not great.
You're ignorant. In the United States 170,000 people generally die from influenza every year. This year that hasn't happened because they've had COVID instead with a death toll of 250,000. COVID really isn't the mass-killer that people are terrified of, that you and other people here seem to be irrationally in fear of.

For the millionth time, you can't compare the debt of the United States to that of Australia - I have this argument all the time with people who think that 'modern monetary policy' can work here. It can't. The USA is a global reserve currency and its used all over the world often in place of local currency and most commodities etc are traded in US dollars. The Australian dollar is not the same thing, its not backed by a huge industrial nation and it fluctuates according to our fortunes as a nation. We can't borrow indefinitely and without consequence - it will ultimately become inflationary and chances are that will happen quickly and we wont' be able to control it.

And the Bank of Japan is desperate and will throw money and anything and everything. They own nine percent of the Japanese stock-market for God's sake - they have so much money they throw it things like Brazil and Argentina, any investment with a prospect of a return. By comparison we must look like a sure thing - but you never know the future do you.
don_dunstan
Covid is indeed the mass killer, so far the "official death toll is 1,437,635", basically you can double that amount, I'm not afraid of it myself no, but if people aren't cautious like you aren't, it can get right out of control very quickly and cause big problems.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Greetings Railpage.
If you are a 90's kid like me, or perhaps older, then this pandemic is not the first pandemic which you have experienced. Back when i was in year 5, Swine Flu was all the rage, so ill go through a few things that i remember, and so might you, from that time;

SIMILARITIES:
  1. Mainstream media coverage; was highly sensationalistic with extreme hype around daily case numbers in given locations.
  2. Public transport patronage; was way down as used car prices surged.
  3. Vaccine readiness; Was the talking point on everyones mind.
DIFFERENCES:
  1. Most at risk groups; Coronavirus affects mainly the elderly and the vulnerable while Swine Flu affected mainly the young and the healthy.
  2. Consumer Behaviour; Coronavirus panic buying has been rampant for all items especially toilet paper but Swine Flu panic buyers really only targeted masks from the chemist.
  3. Public Health Management; Coronavirus has been managed with a plethora of harsh lockdowns, event cancellations, social distancing, contact tracing, border closures, hotel quarantine, deep cleaning, tracking apps, etc while Swine Flu was managed solely by temperature checks at airports for all inbound travellers, school principals being allowed to order any sick child to be sent home until they are well, and a mass public awareness campaign through TV, radio, and newspapers encouraging people to stay home if unwell, avoid seeing the elderly if sick, and practise good hygene at all times.
PAST PERSONAL EXPERIENCES:
  1. In class; whenever another student would cough or sneeze, all of the other kids would laugh at them and call out 'swine flu', much to the dismay of the frazzled teacher.
  2. Confirmed case; one day during the pandemic we were all sent a note home informing us that a year 4 student in the class next door to ours had contracted swine flu hence would be spending the remainder of that terms last few weeks at home in isolation, but we all found out next term that the lucky boy had basically 6 weeks to himself to play video games all day every day.
  3. Masks and Hand Sanatizer; the only places i can remember these two coronavirus staples being mandantory during the swine flu pandemic is both at the doctors clinic and the nursing home.
OVER TO YOU:
  1. What are your memories of the 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic?
  2. Should we have implemented stricter coronavirus response like management strategies during the 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic?
  3. Should we impltement more relaxed Swine Flu like management strategies during the current 2020 Covid-19 Coronavirus Pandemic?
Discuss...
PS; I am NOT trying to downplay peoples lived experience of the current coronavirus pandemic which has decimated both lives and livelehoods across the globe.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Complete irresponsibility from Don. Worst effort since his creepy 'how to spot a petalphile' effort. Wish he'd just keep to economic facts, he's alright at that, everything else seems to quickly degenerate into tin hat UFO complicity theories.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Complete irresponsibility from Don. Worst effort since his creepy 'how to spot a petalphile' effort. Wish he'd just keep to economic facts, he's alright at that, everything else seems to quickly degenerate into tin hat UFO complicity theories.
billybaxter
All you people have in response to my completely rational argument is attempts to gas-light me and tell me I'm crazy.

The private sector is the thing that actually pays the taxes that keeps this place going, but every time it gets shut down as it has been in Victoria or South Australia - people suffer. Wages disappear, mortgages and rents go unpaid, businesses lose money, governments lose revenue. The only people who aren't suffering are those on fixed incomes (pensions, the dole) and those in safe government jobs (but how long are those people actually safe for if this goes on?).

If this goes on for another year (and it could well do) then Commonwealth foreign liabilities (alone) will have grown at least between $250 billion - $500 billion, not to mention the various state governments whose debts are growing exponentially; Victoria @ $154 billion by 2024, South Australia $33.7 billion by 2024 and the NT government projected to reach an astonishing $30 billion by 2030 - which will be around $120,000 for every single Territory resident.

This is not sustainable in anyone's language - there's got to be a longer term plan for how we deal with this thing WITHOUT the silver bullet of a vaccine which might never arrive and WITHOUT shutting down all private sector activity. If we can't figure out how to do that then we're not going to have any kind of a workable economy left in another 1-2 years.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Why on this dear earth do you think anybody is 'gaslighting' you. Some brusque comments have been directed your way, sometimes pathetically for no good reason, sometimes with reason. I can only think you may indeed suffer from some victim complex if you take that as gaslighting. Maybe you should see a professional in that case. Other than that, get your adding machine out again and check these. 25 million people, 60% needed for herd immunity IF this virus is susceptable to that sort of thing, 3% case fatality rate comes in at around 450,000 dead. What sort of effect would that have on our economy? Yes, I know, the indirect costs of things like the effect that nearly half a million dead would have on the rest of the population is the sort of thing only a highly trained actuary could come close to, but you Don, what sort of figures do you think are reasonable to calculate in here?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Why on this dear earth do you think anybody is 'gaslighting' you. Some brusque comments have been directed your way, sometimes pathetically for no good reason, sometimes with reason. I can only think you may indeed suffer from some victim complex if you take that as gaslighting. Maybe you should see a professional in that case. Other than that, get your adding machine out again and check these. 25 million people, 60% needed for herd immunity IF this virus is susceptable to that sort of thing, 3% case fatality rate comes in at around 450,000 dead. What sort of effect would that have on our economy? Yes, I know, the indirect costs of things like the effect that nearly half a million dead would have on the rest of the population is the sort of thing only a highly trained actuary could come close to, but you Don, what sort of figures do you think are reasonable to calculate in here?
"billybaxter"

Don't worry, billy. Don's got his right wing flag flying showing that nothing matters except money. He has also recently polished up his persecution complex. You're right;  professional help could do him good - I think we're now up to about half a dozen of our regular posters who have suggested it to him.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Why on this dear earth do you think anybody is 'gaslighting' you.
billybaxter
Because you used the expression 'tin hat UFO complicity (sic) theories', which is pretty much the definition of gas-lighting.
Some brusque comments have been directed your way, sometimes pathetically for no good reason, sometimes with reason. I can only think you may indeed suffer from some victim complex if you take that as gaslighting. Maybe you should see a professional in that case. Other than that, get your adding machine out again and check these. 25 million people, 60% needed for herd immunity IF this virus is susceptable to that sort of thing, 3% case fatality rate comes in at around 450,000 dead. What sort of effect would that have on our economy? Yes, I know, the indirect costs of things like the effect that nearly half a million dead would have on the rest of the population is the sort of thing only a highly trained actuary could come close to, but you Don, what sort of figures do you think are reasonable to calculate in here?
billybaxter
What you have posted here is utter rubbish. You're assuming for a start that a hundred percent of the population are going to get COVID - the rest of your post is so patently alarmist I'm not even going to bother replying.
Don't worry, billy. Don's got his right wing flag flying showing that nothing matters except money. He has also recently polished up his persecution complex. You're right; professional help could do him good - I think we're now up to about half a dozen of our regular posters who have suggested it to him.
Valvegear
Don't agree with the majority of selfish people on Railpage = seek professional help.

Of course you agree with him, you're in the age group most likely to die from this thing if it becomes rampant and you aren't dependent on private sector activity to make your money; you just hope the government doesn't run out of money while they're fighting this thing on your behalf.

Just like RTT_Rules, you won't disclose your self-interest when you so gallantly go in fighting for truth, justice and the American way.

There are people out there who have lost livelihoods, businesses and their houses, whose attempts to start out in this world are completely ruined because of the brutal way we've fought this virus but they're all just collateral damage to keeping people like you safe. The destruction of the economy is entirely necessary to keep pensioners who already enjoyed the golden years this country had to offer safe with their superannuation and pensions while the young get to enjoy the ashes left behind when the whole thing burns down to protect YOU and your ilk. Right?

You are least owe those people an enormous debt of gratitude but you're too selfish to even acknowledge that instead pretending that there was no other choice.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Is the unwatchable Paul Murray posting here ?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Just like RTT_Rules, you won't disclose your self-interest when you so gallantly go in fighting for truth, justice and the American way.
"don_dunstan"
If I thought that you were the Master of Altruism it might make a difference. As it is, you're the self-appointed Railpage Mind Reader, and while you continue to post your presumptions of what I, and others, think, you'll be treated like the uninformed giant ego that you are.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Just like RTT_Rules, you won't disclose your self-interest when you so gallantly go in fighting for truth, justice and the American way.
If I thought that you were the Master of Altruism it might make a difference. As it is, you're the self-appointed Railpage Mind Reader, and while you continue to post your presumptions of what I, and others, think, you'll be treated like the uninformed giant ego that you are.
Valvegear
What's "uninformed" about it? This is reminiscent of when I repeatedly pointed out to mejhammers that Biden/Harris were actually alienating the vast majority of poor, white and non-college educated people by telling them that they're 'privileged'. Michael just didn't want to know because if he acknowledges that then his whole "suffering Saint Joan" complex comes crashing down. After all, only black people are capable of disadvantage - right?

You know me well enough to know that all I'm saying is that the young in this country have paid a terrible price for the management of COVID - mostly for the sake of the elderly who are the ones most likely to die from it. Young people starting out and especially those with businesses and mortgages have been the ones to suffer the most - while those on fixed incomes (pensioners and superannuants) and those with nice, cosy government jobs have on the whole been protected from the worst ravages of this economy-wide shutdown. Hell, public servants even continued to get program wage rises in Victoria - the worst hit state.

And if you want to confirm what I'm saying you need look no further than the latest unemployment and wages statistics that show that Canberra not only has the lowest unemployment of anywhere in the nation (just 3.9% while every other state is bumping up towards 7 or 8 percent) but it also has the highest average weekly earnings by far of $1,861 - miles ahead of the next contender which is NSW at $1,749.

The only people who have been untouched by this whole thing are the people who are living off the sweat and toil of the real workers in this nation, and with $5 billion a week being added to Commonwealth foreign liabilities those poor workers will also be the ones picking up the future explosion in taxation necessary to keep this whole charade going.

Again - unsustainable.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
A gentleman would have a shot at my completely valid point about the spread and mortality of Covid. You, like a peabrain who needs no gaslighting whatsever, just tries to bat it away with 'oh, I'm too elegant to answer such obvious piffle'. I say you won't answer it because you know in your heart that it is true. TRUE! Influenza spreads at a ratio barely above 1, and is significantly less transmissable than the COVID, yet it kills thousands and thousands of healthy Australians every year. How many people do you know who have never had it? Close to none I'd wager. It may take a generation to do the rounds, but it does so anyway. This beast, the COVID, if left unchecked as you are suggesting, would do the same work that the Influenza does in a lifetime, in a year or two. Nearly everybody gets influenza eventually. A few of them die. COVID spreads three times as quickly and kills a lot more, some say 300 times more.

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