Portland Action

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am sure everyone who has posted prior is correct?
Trouble is Wood Chip trains run on a merry go round basis in Albany, West Australia.
How does it work there when we are met with one thousand reasons why it cannot work here in Victoria??
Please enlighten Me!.
Good to see at least grain trains are running again to Portland.
PTE.
Z VAN

Correct.

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  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
And we keep hearing there is no scope for logs on rail to Portland.  Look at the stack.

No-one say there is no scope, but there are complex logistics issues that need to be resolved, not to mention the Port of Portland's general anti-rail stance over several decades.
bingley hall

The Port should have invested in rail as other ports have and until and unless this changes Portland will always be an afterthought.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

enjoy the grain trains whilst they are running on this line............
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I know quite a few people at the port and none are "anti rail".

Next train tomorrow and the last (of this lot) on Sunday.
Y115

I'm not convinced.

Myself and others had dealings at CEO and board level in the past and they definitely were not helpful in facilitating a shift from road to rail, even arrogant to a degree.

I agree it is possible those people may no longer be there, but the damage was done back then and changes in logistics and infrastructure since means there is little to no chance of change.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I know quite a few people at the port and none are "anti rail".

Next train tomorrow and the last (of this lot) on Sunday.

I'm not convinced.

Myself and others had dealings at CEO and board level in the past and they definitely were not helpful in facilitating a shift from road to rail, even arrogant to a degree.

I agree it is possible those people may no longer be there, but the damage was done back then and changes in logistics and infrastructure since means there is little to no chance of change.
bingley hall
Perhaps while we're pointing the bone at a few people, GrainCorp should get a mention too, was about 5 years ago they shut a lot of their small sites and revamped some others but nothing was done at Portland.

I suppose to be fair, I don't know how they are positioned in regard to the Port Authority, may be they aren't allowed to develop their site but it is really a surprise to me that they continue to use the site, given the arduous work practices involved. Having said that, they continue to use the Lillimuir site which is equally as prehistoric in it's operation.

And by the sound of their news letter a while back, they are happy to forge along with both.

While I'm on a lecturing platform, Geelong could really do with sharpening the pencil with their grain delivery volumes also, if they want to remain competitive with Port Kembla as far as grain deliveries from Southern NSW.

Here endeth the epistle !

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

I'm not convinced.

Myself and others had dealings at CEO and board level in the past and they definitely were not helpful in facilitating a shift from road to rail, even arrogant to a degree.

I agree it is possible those people may no longer be there, but the damage was done back then and changes in logistics and infrastructure since means there is little to no chance of change.
bingley hall

I have heard the same BH.  They did not have any intentions of assisting rail in any way to the port.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
I don’t think they’re anti-rail. They’re just not going to stump up any cash. The Port is a private business. If it’s not going to turn a profit then they won’t do it. If any of the timber companies decided they’d drop $1M on infrastructure, I’m sure the Port would be happy to let them.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I don’t think they’re anti-rail. They’re just not going to stump up any cash. The Port is a private business. If it’s not going to turn a profit then they won’t do it. If any of the timber companies decided they’d drop $1M on infrastructure, I’m sure the Port would be happy to let them.
RustyRick
So much for the much vaunted original MB business case that was going to create all this new competition between Geelong & Portland.  As elusive as the oft promised new mineral sands traffics from multiple points in the North West .
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

Asking a question or two , is it only when there is an above average harvest that Portland gets used to ship grain ?

How often does an above average harvest occur?

Is it worth the port investing $$ to make a return on what grain flows through the port ?

The Murray standard bastardisation project has not helped.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Portland will get used a lot if there is grain heading for export. Last year most of the Wimmera crop just went interstate to NSW due to the failed 2019 harvest there.

Remember, it's competing with the more efficient Geelong grain loop.

I'm wondering if the collapse of logging exports will free up space for more grain ships too in the coming year?
  Y115 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Portland
Portland will get used a lot if there is grain heading for export. Last year most of the Wimmera crop just went interstate to NSW due to the failed 2019 harvest there.

Remember, it's competing with the more efficient Geelong grain loop.

I'm wondering if the collapse of logging exports will free up space for more grain ships too in the coming year?
Carnot
Log and grain ships use different berths.

8125, X48 and BL33 on there way here with the PN grain train, should arrive in next half hour (maybe).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Pickies please?
  Y115 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Portland
Pickies please?
bevans
None today, got a few more from Thursday's train as it is the same locos.
  Y115 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Portland
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
So where are they loading? Has to be reasonably close.
  Y115 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Portland
So where are they loading? Has to be reasonably close.
RustyRick

Warracknabeal I heard.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Just for you Bevans. This was from the Portland gun battery at midday.

  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I don’t think they’re anti-rail. They’re just not going to stump up any cash. The Port is a private business. If it’s not going to turn a profit then they won’t do it. If any of the timber companies decided they’d drop $1M on infrastructure, I’m sure the Port would be happy to let them.
RustyRick

That's fine. We can only hope those that read this will now stop bleating about ARTC and the taxpayers being the ones that should stump up the cash Razz
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Another grain train in today. I'll try and nip down to take some photos a bit later.
Yes good 1 RR. Mum reported the train cruised through Heywood at 06:40 this morning and 1 headed North last night, I think or perhaps the night before.

Mum's videoing isn't going to well at all, so far I have a train in pitch black, so all you can see it it's headlight, got another clip cars at the level crossing, bells ringing, a clip actually in the daylight but somehow it filmed at about triple speed, so if trains run to Portland for the next few months we could be in luck. Mum and technology not really meshing up too well..Razz

BigShunter.





Heywood - BigShunter's mums by Rustyrick
She did well with this one. Thank her from us. Smile Mind you, my posting is horrible



BigShunter
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Thanks for posting RustyRick, yes a good clip after some practice. This clip is from 2 days ago and the same train that was in Portland a couple of days prior to that.

Mum & Co live on the North side of Heywood nearish the level crossing on the Princes ( Princess, as some people rib Mike with ) Highway.

The train that Y115 & RustyRick photographed, up a few posts, went through Heywood this morning at 09:20ish.

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Train heading North, through Heywood last night at 20:15ish, so it seems about 11 - 12 hrs turn around.

I also sent mum the link to RP to display the video she took, however, I did cop a slight backhander for my less than comedic comments, regarding her technological skills..Rolling Eyes still getting in trouble from mum..ahh

BigShunter.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Train heading North, through Heywood last night at 20:15ish, so it seems about 11 - 12 hrs turn around.

I also sent mum the link to RP to display the video she took, however, I did cop a slight backhander for my less than comedic comments, regarding her technological skills..Rolling Eyes still getting in trouble from mum..ahh

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Time to grovel...

Mother Shunter - thanks for taking the time. We appreciate it.

Cheers

Rick
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
I don’t think they’re anti-rail. They’re just not going to stump up any cash. The Port is a private business. If it’s not going to turn a profit then they won’t do it. If any of the timber companies decided they’d drop $1M on infrastructure, I’m sure the Port would be happy to let them.

That's fine. We can only hope those that read this will now stop bleating about ARTC and the taxpayers being the ones that should stump up the cash Razz
bingley hall

If the Port was pro rail why have they not approached their customers and the government of Sa and Vic to ask for some investment with them to ensure rail is upgraded?
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

I don’t think they’re anti-rail. They’re just not going to stump up any cash. The Port is a private business. If it’s not going to turn a profit then they won’t do it. If any of the timber companies decided they’d drop $1M on infrastructure, I’m sure the Port would be happy to let them.

That's fine. We can only hope those that read this will now stop bleating about ARTC and the taxpayers being the ones that should stump up the cash Razz

If the Port was pro rail why have they not approached their customers and the government of Sa and Vic to ask for some investment with them to ensure rail is upgraded?
NSWGR8022
There's a difference between "not anti rail" and "pro rail".
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
There's a difference between "not anti rail" and "pro rail".
Djebel

Portland must be the only port in the entire country connected to the national gauge which does not have a regular freight service?

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