450 new train services on Melbourne’s new timetable

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 01 Dec 2020 10:44
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some facts from the announcement

  • Commuters in the southeast will also have to adjust to new changes to the way certain train lines feed into the City Loop.
  • All Frankston services will now run direct to Flinders Street Station, rather than the loop, where they will then continue to Werribee and Williamstown via Southern Cross.
  • Cranbourne and Pakenham services run through the City Loop anticlockwise to accomodate for new High Capacity Metro Trains expected to be rolled out in 2021
  • Regional rail upgrades will also allow Ballarat V/Line services to run every 20 minutes in the peak and 40-minutes off peak.


450 new train services on Melbourne’s new timetable

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Public release of new timetables on January 8.  Also interesting to see some minor changes in Bendigo line timetable too.
  Obzerva Locomotive Fireman

Location: #6 / Glen Waverley line
So will someone getting on at say Mordialloc bound for the city, will they be getting on a train with the destination of Flinders St or Werribee?
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

A little disappointing they didn’t upgrade the city loop for HCMT operation in both directions, but also I think Frankston avoiding the loop is a positive change - even though some passengers will be annoyed that’s something you’ll have to deal with in a large city.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

A little disappointing they didn’t upgrade the city loop for HCMT operation in both directions, but also I think Frankston avoiding the loop is a positive change - even though some passengers will be annoyed that’s something you’ll have to deal with in a large city.
Jordy33
It's only short term (5-7 years) so not worth the hassle.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Another flop from the Andrews Government. Great at building projects, pathetic at adding services.

Positives are the cleaning up of the cross city group and the boost to Frankston and Dandenong Groups thanks to the laters removal from the loop. Also the removal of Werribee and Sandringham weekend loop running to bring a 7 days standardisation.

The west is totally forgotten again. Werribee gets a little boost thanks to through routing Frankston services.

Craigieburn, Upfield and Sunbury miss out on any day time or evening shoulder boost in frequencies, despite being overcrowded pre pandemic and with the government now offering off peak travel discounts.

Extra weekday services on the busy Craigieburn, Sunbury and Werribee lines will mean passengers will have a train at least every 10 minutes for more than three hours in the busy morning and afternoon peaks
Ben Carrol
Suggests that the peak might be extended for an hour into the shoulder (from 9am - 10am) then dropping back off to 20 minute day time frequency and in Sunbury's case 40! Same again in the evening where no one travels home after 6pm. With 280 metro services across seven days, with 135 allocated to Frankston (45) and Dandenong (90), leaving 145 services for the Northern Group or 20 daily services across 3 lines or a mean 6 additional services per line. 3 Additional trains in the peaks, nothing for early morning Sunday or weekend services. No boost to weekday evening services where trains between 8pm - 11pm resembles the thick of the peak.

No mention of cleaning up the mess that is the Burnley and Ringwood groups with weekend frequencies better than weekday day time.

"The biggest change since the City Loop", not even close. Just more spin from a government that can only build things not run trains.

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Lockie
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am thinking this is a very positive step in the right direction for frequency.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
I am thinking this is a very positive step in the right direction for frequency.
bevans
A positive step maybe but a pretty small one.

Where are the 10min all day services for Ringwood, Mernda, Craigieburn, Watergardens etc?
Where are the 20min services for Sunday mornings?
Where are the 15min (or even 20min) services for weekday evenings?

So much can be done with existing infrastructure and a bit of money... just run the trains and they will fill!!!
  mike49 Locomotive Fireman

Some small improvements but disappointing overall for Metro services. We have a government that is good at major projects but below par when it comes down to the nuts & bolts of day to day public transport service delivery. Maybe not enough hard hat photo opportunities in the small stuff?
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

I am thinking this is a very positive step in the right direction for frequency.
A positive step maybe but a pretty small one.

Where are the 10min all day services for Ringwood, Mernda, Craigieburn, Watergardens etc?
Where are the 20min services for Sunday mornings?
Where are the 15min (or even 20min) services for weekday evenings?

So much can be done with existing infrastructure and a bit of money... just run the trains and they will fill!!!
LeroyW
10min Service to Sandringham, Glen Waverley, Box Hill (local), Ringwood (express), Greensborough, Mernda, Coburg, Craigieburn and Watergardens should be the priority between 6am and 9pm, with extra services for the peak where possible.

Every 20 minutes from first train to to 6am and 9pm to midnight and every 30 minutes from midnight to 6am for the night network.

Alamein shuttle to be kept at 20 minute intervals (except where it goes to 30 minutes at night network), same as for Belgrave, Lilydale, Hurstbridge/Eltham (not sure what's possible there), Upfield and Williamstown/Altona Loop.

That would give the majority of the stations on the network 6tph all day service with some branch lines at 3tph.

Sunbury, Melton, Wyndham Vale, Geelong at 20 minute all day frequency, with electrification as needed to support the growing commuter belt.
  slowcoach Junior Train Controller

I think existing level crossings (not slated for removal) and signalling limitations are obstacles to adding extra train services for some lines without causing additional road congestion.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
I think existing level crossings (not slated for removal) and signalling limitations are obstacles to adding extra train services for some lines without causing additional road congestion.
slowcoach
In peak times sure, but during the day and in the evening it is not a problem at all, and that is where Melbourne just fails in terms of service levels.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
In peak times sure, but during the day and in the evening it is not a problem at all, and that is where Melbourne just fails in terms of service levels.
LeroyW
Somewhere like Mernda is a case in point where the drop off is stark:
5:10-5:50pm from Flinders St - 7 services
7:10-7:50pm - 2 services
8:10-8:50pm - 1 service

Heaven forbid you stay in the city after work on a Friday night for a drink or a meal, only to find you're waiting 30 minutes for a train at 8 o'clock. I mean, it's still blazing sunshine outside in summer with people (pre-covid) everywhere but our trains have knocked off - who stays out past 7pm anyway in a modern (liveable??) city Rolling Eyes?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Wot!
Nothing for Geelong to the detriment of all else?
I expected a 5 minute express service 24/7 running at 500 km/h on paths a mile wide cutting a swathe through everyone and everything. Smile
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Wot!
Nothing for Geelong to the detriment of all else?
I expected a 5 minute express service 24/7 running at 500 km/h on paths a mile wide cutting a swathe through everyone and everything. Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
I'm replying to this because bevans hasn't provided me with an unfunny reaction button.
  Tii Train Controller

I think existing level crossings (not slated for removal) and signalling limitations are obstacles to adding extra train services for some lines without causing additional road congestion.
slowcoach
I had hoped for an improvement in scheduling here on the Mernda line but can also see that with the pending level crossing removals near me not due to be done by late 2021, along with many others due for completion during 2021, timetable upgrades might finally come early 2022. It's an election year after all !!
  Tii Train Controller

Another flop from the Andrews Government. Great at building projects, pathetic at adding services.

Positives are the cleaning up of the cross city group and the boost to Frankston and Dandenong Groups thanks to the laters removal from the loop. Also the removal of Werribee and Sandringham weekend loop running to bring a 7 days standardisation.

The west is totally forgotten again. Werribee gets a little boost thanks to through routing Frankston services.

Craigieburn, Upfield and Sunbury miss out on any day time or evening shoulder boost in frequencies, despite being overcrowded pre pandemic and with the government now offering off peak travel discounts.

Extra weekday services on the busy Craigieburn, Sunbury and Werribee lines will mean passengers will have a train at least every 10 minutes for more than three hours in the busy morning and afternoon peaks
Suggests that the peak might be extended for an hour into the shoulder (from 9am - 10am) then dropping back off to 20 minute day time frequency and in Sunbury's case 40! Same again in the evening where no one travels home after 6pm. With 280 metro services across seven days, with 135 allocated to Frankston (45) and Dandenong (90), leaving 145 services for the Northern Group or 20 daily services across 3 lines or a mean 6 additional services per line. 3 Additional trains in the peaks, nothing for early morning Sunday or weekend services. No boost to weekday evening services where trains between 8pm - 11pm resembles the thick of the peak.

No mention of cleaning up the mess that is the Burnley and Ringwood groups with weekend frequencies better than weekday day time.

"The biggest change since the City Loop", not even close. Just more spin from a government that can only build things not run trains.

Building a Train Network for the Future

Lockie
Lockie91
Reading the detail, it does look like another disappointing government spin session. I'm liking all the infrastructure works and just wish it was done, so we could finally see something substantial to bring us to the 21st century. Being on the Mernda line, I find I'm often sitting waiting  and waiting for a 20 min or 30 min service, that I often manage to miss in the evening. I live in hope sigh!
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I am thinking this is a very positive step in the right direction for frequency.
A positive step maybe but a pretty small one.

Where are the 10min all day services for Ringwood, Mernda, Craigieburn, Watergardens etc?
Where are the 20min services for Sunday mornings?
Where are the 15min (or even 20min) services for weekday evenings?

So much can be done with existing infrastructure and a bit of money... just run the trains and they will fill!!!
10min Service to Sandringham, Glen Waverley, Box Hill (local), Ringwood (express), Greensborough, Mernda, Coburg, Craigieburn and Watergardens should be the priority between 6am and 9pm, with extra services for the peak where possible.
John.Z
Adding Werribee to that list.

I'm hoping there will be a second change in April that will include all these changes, plus revamps of the connecting bus networks.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Wot!
Nothing for Geelong to the detriment of all else?
I expected a 5 minute express service 24/7 running at 500 km/h on paths a mile wide cutting a swathe through everyone and everything. Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
Your slipping. Your 5 minute express services should be every 2 minutes, dedicated quad tracks all the way.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Wot!
Nothing for Geelong to the detriment of all else?
I expected a 5 minute express service 24/7 running at 500 km/h on paths a mile wide cutting a swathe through everyone and everything. Smile
Your slipping. Your 5 minute express services should be every 2 minutes, dedicated quad tracks all the way.
Galron
Didn't want to overdo it.
That's why I left via Avalon out. Trains would go via Avalon but not stop there in order to maintain the sacred express service!
Smile
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Adding Werribee to that list.

I'm hoping there will be a second change in April that will include all these changes, plus revamps of the connecting bus networks.
railblogger
I was under the impression that Werribee, Frankston and Dandenong already had all day 10min service.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Adding Werribee to that list.

I'm hoping there will be a second change in April that will include all these changes, plus revamps of the connecting bus networks.
I was under the impression that Werribee, Frankston and Dandenong already had all day 10min service.
John.Z
Not Werribee at this stage.
Werribee and Williamstown combine at Newport to create a 10min frequency that runs through to Frankston during the day.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Adding Werribee to that list.

I'm hoping there will be a second change in April that will include all these changes, plus revamps of the connecting bus networks.
I was under the impression that Werribee, Frankston and Dandenong already had all day 10min service.
Not Werribee at this stage.
Werribee and Williamstown combine at Newport to create a 10min frequency that runs through to Frankston during the day.
LeroyW
You mean Willamstown/Altona. Werribee runs express LavertonNewportFootscray.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
You mean Willamstown/Altona. Werribee runs express LavertonNewportFootscray.
railblogger
Quite right, had misread the origin of the trains as they lined up into Newport to create the cross-city frequency.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

You mean Willamstown/Altona. Werribee runs express LavertonNewportFootscray.
Quite right, had misread the origin of the trains as they lined up into Newport to create the cross-city frequency.
LeroyW
Highlighting the total mess the half arsed cross city group is currently. A handful of Northern Group services make up the difference for through running to Frankston. A couple of Frankston services return to run Dandenong services.

Despite the lack of additional all day services, operationally this is a massive step in the right direction. Totally separating the Cross City from the Northern, Sandringham and Dandenong Groups should in theory allow DoT to add services to these groups without having to worry about cross group interactions.

Lets hope throughout 2021 with major works finishing up on the Sunbury Line Upgrade, Glenroy on the way to being removed additional services continue to be added during the day and into the evening. If Frankston can have a 20 minute service to midnight, so can the west.

Lockie

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