Ballarat Line upgrades underway

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 20 Nov 2017 12:49
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Yep, I'll be caught up in this one. Why the hell they can't run trains from Sunbury to Bendigo and beyond to Swan Hill is beyond me. I know there is some work needing doing on the V/Line section but surely not enough to justify a 15 day shutdown. V/Line's preferred option these days seems to be to shut everything down when a Metro shutdown affects a line and stuff the poor passengers many of whom use the service from one regional town to another and don't even travel into the metro area.

So instead we will all be stuffed onto Covid Coaches for a hour or two (or 4 if going 'all the way') which I would not have thought was a desirable thing at this point in time

I would imagine having a captive fleet running Gisborne-Bendigo just wouldn't be worth it, better to give those on the line doing the maintenance work space to just get things done.
The Gisborne Shuffle has been done plenty of times in the past, as recently as last year or even possibly this year
BrentonGolding
It's useful in emergencies/disruptions (when you can't a lot of coaches to cover the whole line very quickly) or for weekend or day shuts, less so in long term shuts.


If there is also maintenance on the Bendigo Line, and Sunbury Station possibly being completely off access to overhead works, it makes sense to not have too many trains 'stuck' up in Bendigo to have more available for the lines that are running.

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  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Yep, I'll be caught up in this one. Why the hell they can't run trains from Sunbury to Bendigo and beyond to Swan Hill is beyond me. I know there is some work needing doing on the V/Line section but surely not enough to justify a 15 day shutdown. V/Line's preferred option these days seems to be to shut everything down when a Metro shutdown affects a line and stuff the poor passengers many of whom use the service from one regional town to another and don't even travel into the metro area.

So instead we will all be stuffed onto Covid Coaches for a hour or two (or 4 if going 'all the way') which I would not have thought was a desirable thing at this point in time

I would imagine having a captive fleet running Gisborne-Bendigo just wouldn't be worth it, better to give those on the line doing the maintenance work space to just get things done.
The Gisborne Shuffle has been done plenty of times in the past, as recently as last year or even possibly this year
It's useful in emergencies/disruptions (when you can't a lot of coaches to cover the whole line very quickly) or for weekend or day shuts, less so in long term shuts.


If there is also maintenance on the Bendigo Line, and Sunbury Station possibly being completely off access to overhead works, it makes sense to not have too many trains 'stuck' up in Bendigo to have more available for the lines that are running.
TOQ-1
The entire line from Sunbury to both Swan Hill and Echuca will be under absolute occupation from the 6th to the 22nd of November which is why no trains are running. Not sure what repairs or upgrades will be performed during this time however two Train Operations Notices (commonly known as TON's) have been released stating works will be performed in Bendigo and Echuca yards.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Yep, I'll be caught up in this one. Why the hell they can't run trains from Sunbury to Bendigo and beyond to Swan Hill is beyond me. I know there is some work needing doing on the V/Line section but surely not enough to justify a 15 day shutdown. V/Line's preferred option these days seems to be to shut everything down when a Metro shutdown affects a line and stuff the poor passengers many of whom use the service from one regional town to another and don't even travel into the metro area.

So instead we will all be stuffed onto Covid Coaches for a hour or two (or 4 if going 'all the way') which I would not have thought was a desirable thing at this point in time

I would imagine having a captive fleet running Gisborne-Bendigo just wouldn't be worth it, better to give those on the line doing the maintenance work space to just get things done.
The Gisborne Shuffle has been done plenty of times in the past, as recently as last year or even possibly this year
It's useful in emergencies/disruptions (when you can't a lot of coaches to cover the whole line very quickly) or for weekend or day shuts, less so in long term shuts.


If there is also maintenance on the Bendigo Line, and Sunbury Station possibly being completely off access to overhead works, it makes sense to not have too many trains 'stuck' up in Bendigo to have more available for the lines that are running.
TOQ-1

Perhaps a silly question...

Is there a fuel point in Bendigo these days Question

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yes there is a fuel point at Bendigo. Two actually - one for passenger trains behind Platform 2, and another for freight locos on the roads into the Roundhouse.

Also, I believe the yard at Bendigo is getting a big reconfiguring for the new Biowash facility.  Sadly that will probably mean only two roads, not four for stabling and staging freight trains - at least during construction.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The final phase of testing and commissioning for the Ballarat Line Upgrade will be carried out during late December 2020 and January 2021.

The jointly funded project is in its final stages after construction was completed in 2019, said Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Development Michael McCormack.

“We’re excited to see the Ballarat Line Upgrade at this final stage, preparing the line for those much-needed extra services and better reliability for passengers in these growing communities,” said McCormack.

“It’s been more than three years in the making and nearly 1.6 million hours of work by dedicated crews, and we’re now on the home stretch to delivering huge benefits for passengers.”

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/final-testing-and-commissioning-on-ballarat-line-upgrade-confirmed
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
As we inch slowly towards the Ballarat Line Upgrade completion...a Media release tease about the new timetable:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-trains-ever-ballarat-line

Mike.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
125 additional weekly services added to the timetable not bad at all.  What about Geelong to Ballarat.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

I don't quite understand this bus service to/from Deer Park and Melton

Bus' meant to be feeder services to the train, not run as a train!

https://www.danielbowen.com/2020/12/01/new-train-timetables-january-2021/

V/Line changes
A big Ballarat line upgrade, with peak services going to every 20 minutes, and off-peak every 40 minutes (each for both Ballarat limited express to Melbourne and also short starters from Melton/Bacchus Marsh)

I’m told Ballarat line express trains will stop at Deer Park, but Melton/Bacchus Marsh stopping trains won’t – this is to improve running times, as otherwise the expresses would sit behind the stoppers all the way into Sunshine and Melbourne.

To cater for local trips they’ll run a bus. This is not unknown – they currently run coaches on some counter-peak services due to the single track.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I don't quite understand this bus service to/from Deer Park and Melton

Bus' meant to be feeder services to the train, not run as a train!

https://www.danielbowen.com/2020/12/01/new-train-timetables-january-2021/

V/Line changes
A big Ballarat line upgrade, with peak services going to every 20 minutes, and off-peak every 40 minutes (each for both Ballarat limited express to Melbourne and also short starters from Melton/Bacchus Marsh)

I’m told Ballarat line express trains will stop at Deer Park, but Melton/Bacchus Marsh stopping trains won’t – this is to improve running times, as otherwise the expresses would sit behind the stoppers all the way into Sunshine and Melbourne.

To cater for local trips they’ll run a bus. This is not unknown – they currently run coaches on some counter-peak services due to the single track.
doyle
Seems kind of stupid, especially when Ballarat trains skip very few stations...
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

I don't quite understand this bus service to/from Deer Park and Melton

Bus' meant to be feeder services to the train, not run as a train!

https://www.danielbowen.com/2020/12/01/new-train-timetables-january-2021/

V/Line changes
A big Ballarat line upgrade, with peak services going to every 20 minutes, and off-peak every 40 minutes (each for both Ballarat limited express to Melbourne and also short starters from Melton/Bacchus Marsh)

I’m told Ballarat line express trains will stop at Deer Park, but Melton/Bacchus Marsh stopping trains won’t – this is to improve running times, as otherwise the expresses would sit behind the stoppers all the way into Sunshine and Melbourne.

To cater for local trips they’ll run a bus. This is not unknown – they currently run coaches on some counter-peak services due to the single track.
Seems kind of stupid, especially when Ballarat trains skip very few stations...
railblogger
Its a balancing act from DoT to provide a semi express from the regions while providing frequency for the suburbs. Once Melton is removed from the mix Ballarat finally receives a proper inter city service, with services running express from Bacchus Marsh to Sunshine > Footscray.

Just need Andrews to blow the dust off the WRP and get on with it and it might all be done by 2025 in time for Melton to go into MM1. Surely it does not take 5 years to build 25km of track and a new station or two, but this is Victoria.

Lockie
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

I don't quite understand this bus service to/from Deer Park and Melton

Bus' meant to be feeder services to the train, not run as a train!

https://www.danielbowen.com/2020/12/01/new-train-timetables-january-2021/

V/Line changes
A big Ballarat line upgrade, with peak services going to every 20 minutes, and off-peak every 40 minutes (each for both Ballarat limited express to Melbourne and also short starters from Melton/Bacchus Marsh)

I’m told Ballarat line express trains will stop at Deer Park, but Melton/Bacchus Marsh stopping trains won’t – this is to improve running times, as otherwise the expresses would sit behind the stoppers all the way into Sunshine and Melbourne.

To cater for local trips they’ll run a bus. This is not unknown – they currently run coaches on some counter-peak services due to the single track.
Seems kind of stupid, especially when Ballarat trains skip very few stations...
Its a balancing act from DoT to provide a semi express from the regions while providing frequency for the suburbs. Once Melton is removed from the mix Ballarat finally receives a proper inter city service, with services running express from Bacchus Marsh to Sunshine > Footscray.

Just need Andrews to blow the dust off the WRP and get on with it and it might all be done by 2025 in time for Melton to go into MM1. Surely it does not take 5 years to build 25km of track and a new station or two, but this is Victoria.

Lockie
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I don't quite understand this bus service to/from Deer Park and Melton

Bus' meant to be feeder services to the train, not run as a train!

https://www.danielbowen.com/2020/12/01/new-train-timetables-january-2021/

V/Line changes
A big Ballarat line upgrade, with peak services going to every 20 minutes, and off-peak every 40 minutes (each for both Ballarat limited express to Melbourne and also short starters from Melton/Bacchus Marsh)

I’m told Ballarat line express trains will stop at Deer Park, but Melton/Bacchus Marsh stopping trains won’t – this is to improve running times, as otherwise the expresses would sit behind the stoppers all the way into Sunshine and Melbourne.

To cater for local trips they’ll run a bus. This is not unknown – they currently run coaches on some counter-peak services due to the single track.
Seems kind of stupid, especially when Ballarat trains skip very few stations...
Its a balancing act from DoT to provide a semi express from the regions while providing frequency for the suburbs. Once Melton is removed from the mix Ballarat finally receives a proper inter city service, with services running express from Bacchus Marsh to Sunshine > Footscray.

Just need Andrews to blow the dust off the WRP and get on with it and it might all be done by 2025 in time for Melton to go into MM1. Surely it does not take 5 years to build 25km of track and a new station or two, but this is Victoria.

Lockie
Lockie91

Err....Melton (Exford) weir viaduct.

M.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Caveat Emptor  !!!!  Beware the"spin".  Last time Deer Park got 200 extra services a week they stopped all off peak Geelongs at Deer Park.  Now a further 200 services a week at Deer Park, Cobblebank &  Rockbank, suspect all the Off Peak Ballarats will now cop three extra stops. And Deer Park ends up with average 5 tph every 12 mins bit over the top.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I don't quite understand this bus service to/from Deer Park and Melton

Bus' meant to be feeder services to the train, not run as a train!

https://www.danielbowen.com/2020/12/01/new-train-timetables-january-2021/

V/Line changes
A big Ballarat line upgrade, with peak services going to every 20 minutes, and off-peak every 40 minutes (each for both Ballarat limited express to Melbourne and also short starters from Melton/Bacchus Marsh)

I’m told Ballarat line express trains will stop at Deer Park, but Melton/Bacchus Marsh stopping trains won’t – this is to improve running times, as otherwise the expresses would sit behind the stoppers all the way into Sunshine and Melbourne.

To cater for local trips they’ll run a bus. This is not unknown – they currently run coaches on some counter-peak services due to the single track.
Seems kind of stupid, especially when Ballarat trains skip very few stations...
Its a balancing act from DoT to provide a semi express from the regions while providing frequency for the suburbs. Once Melton is removed from the mix Ballarat finally receives a proper inter city service, with services running express from Bacchus Marsh to Sunshine > Footscray.

Just need Andrews to blow the dust off the WRP and get on with it and it might all be done by 2025 in time for Melton to go into MM1. Surely it does not take 5 years to build 25km of track and a new station or two, but this is Victoria.

Lockie
Lockie91
Oh  Goodie, remove Melton, then Ballarat just becomes a mirror image of the Geelong line, STUFFED....................no matter which route it follows.....................
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
It is great to see Ballarat her extra services to assist with overcrowding issues. We’re there any changes announced for the  Maryborough and Ararat lines ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Ararat gets an extra weekday service. No more for Maryborough. BG freight needs all the paths it can get!
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Caveat Emptor  !!!!  Beware the"spin".  Last time Deer Park got 200 extra services a week they stopped all off peak Geelongs at Deer Park.  Now a further 200 services a week at Deer Park, Cobblebank &  Rockbank, suspect all the Off Peak Ballarats will now cop three extra stops. And Deer Park ends up with average 5 tph every 12 mins bit over the top.
kuldalai
I don't think that's entirely the case since there will be a whole heap of additional peak trains...
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Ararat gets an extra weekday service. No more for Maryborough. BG freight needs all the paths it can get!
Carnot
With Ararat 0500  Dn Ety Cars Bxt - Axt is AMEX as two sets can now stable at Ararat.  So a late afternoon existing Down  Wendouree can then be extended to Ararat giving them 5 return services on Weekdays.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Caveat Emptor  !!!!  Beware the"spin".  Last time Deer Park got 200 extra services a week they stopped all off peak Geelongs at Deer Park.  Now a further 200 services a week at Deer Park, Cobblebank &  Rockbank, suspect all the Off Peak Ballarats will now cop three extra stops. And Deer Park ends up with average 5 tph every 12 mins bit over the top.
I don't think that's entirely the case since there will be a whole heap of additional peak trains...
railblogger
20 extra peak Ballarats a week will be express at least as far as Melton.

10 extra peak Bacchus Marshes will be SAS, and 10 extra Peak Melton shorts will be SAS, =  20
so the only way 200 extra services a week can be provided at Cobblebank, Rockbank and Deer Park is for all the Ballarat Off peak and evening trains to also stop at those 3 stations.

They did this wifty on Geelong a few years ago in that the South Geelong Off Peaks stopped at Deer Park but NOT the Off peak Waurn Ponds.  The the spin 200 extra services a week at Deer Park by loading all Off Peak and weekend Geelongs with added Deer Park stops.

The actual 125 extra services a week on the Ballarat line are made up of extra peak Ballarat trips 20  Peak Bacchus Marsh 10  Peak Meltons  10  Off Peak  Melton/Bmh 40  Ballarat Off Peak 40  + Ballarat 5 Counter peak replacing 1700 Up Road coaches = 125
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
125 new Ballarat line services can probably be translated to result in the following:

5 new Melbourne - Wendouree down services to be extended to Ararat, replacing the current early AM down empty cars = 1 per day.

The rest of the 120 would translate to 12 new return services per day (Monday to Friday). At a guess, there would be a 50/50 split of Melton/ Bacchus Marsh locals and full distance Wendouree express trains.

So in the end, that is 6 more Melton locals each day and 6 more Wendouree trains per day.
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
I think I read Every Ballarat train now stops at Bacchus Marsh.

This means the nice 16:33 from SCS becomes slower and more crowded..

Also really hope they plug the Ballarat hole between the 17:10 and 17:50..
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I think I read Every Ballarat train now stops at Bacchus Marsh.

This means the nice 16:33 from SCS becomes slower and more crowded..

Also really hope they plug the Ballarat hole between the 17:10 and 17:50..
whoistheg
No it said all trains from Ballarat to Melbourne would stop at Bacchus Marsh, well they ALL do now on the Up. Think you will find the 1633 Dn if still at that time will still run express express through The Marsh as that train becomes a 6 car  combined Ararat/Maryborough split at Ballarat.  That gives 5 trains each way on Weekdays at Ararat with two sets stabled overnight; and the first Inter City location to realize the 5 return Weekday services promised do long ago in the glossy RNDP booklet.
Ballarat Off peak goes to every 40 mins Weekdays Off Peak, and average 20 minutes in am and PM Peaks. Plus the dreaded 1700 Up Weekday road couches finally get replaced by a train surely.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Government  "SPIN"  decoded from Bendigo Advertiser :


Up to 14 minutes will be saved on one Weekday morning Up Bendigo service which currently stop all stations (except Sunbury) but will instead run express from Malmsbury to Watergardens.
To maintain the level of service at stations from Malmsbury inwards , an additional am peak morning service from Kyneton to Southern Cross will operate on Weekdays.
Passengers at Malmsbury, Riddells Creek and Clarkefield will benefit from more than 6 extra services on Weekdays due to additional stops being inserted in existing trains . The changes will mean also there will be one Weekday afternoon Down service that will no longer stop at Watergardens.
A new late night service will leave Bendigo at 11pm for Melbourne.  (NOT stated what days of operation)
Timetables will be available at [size=3]http://www.ptv.vic.gov.au[/size] from January 8.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
One thing that I do find a bit disappointing with this is weekend services.

The new timetable will now see that on a weekend the line will get 1 train per hour, but between the peaks on a weekday the line will get 3 trains per hour.

Yes, I am aware that the above includes short runners to Bacchus Marsh, but to be honest, there in lies the problem. In my experience, on a weekend it is rare to be able to get a seat on a Melbourne bound train by the time it gets to Melton. By the time it gets to Deer Park even the standing space is sparce.

It would be nice if that deficiency had of been addressed as well.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Melton/Bacchus Marsh short workings Skipping Deer Park, but Wendouree trains stopping would be a big step backwards and doesn’t make sense now that this is the junction between the Ballarat and Geelong lines. This will mean a current two-seat journey (e.g. Melton to Wyndham Vale) will now require a change from train-bus-train, or backtracking via Sunshine.

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