Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

[ Also a relatively new cafe/take away dining joint has opened and doing quite well.
BigShunter

I had morning coffee at Mr Le the last time I was let out of the city ... in September 2019. Not too bad...

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  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
The Overland will commence running on a new Timetable from the 3rd of January 2021.

https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/0087-2021.PDF?1991382563

  route14 Chief Commissioner

It seems the editor had some confusion about day of the week in the index section.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The Overland will commence running on a new Timetable from the 3rd of January 2021.

https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/0087-2021.PDF?1991382563

Jack Le Lievre

Looks like it is now only 4 trains per week and not 6, I was hoping for an upgrade.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

It had been like that for a while pre-COVID.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The Overland will commence running on a new Timetable from the 3rd of January 2021.

https://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/0087-2021.PDF?1991382563


Looks like it is now only 4 trains per week and not 6, I was hoping for an upgrade.
bevans

The third service a week was cut back to two some years ago.

M.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A couple of links here for the trumpet blowing.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/overland-service-back-track-january

https://www.facebook.com/PMalinauskasMP/photos/a.432810920138562/3505069292912694/?type=3&theater

BigShunter.

1 day doyle...Razz
BigShunter

That news will get up Dons nose...3 years. Smile

I wonder if I can arrange 'free' travel once more like I did last year.

Mike.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

It truly is my favourite thread, I will keep counting though
  doyle Chief Commissioner

You can have my travel voucher Mike, I'm going nowhere not even to Nhill
So can't play pinball or billiards, the only 2 sports I know
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
A couple of links here for the trumpet blowing.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/overland-service-back-track-january

https://www.facebook.com/PMalinauskasMP/photos/a.432810920138562/3505069292912694/?type=3&theater

BigShunter.

1 day doyle...Razz

That news will get up Dons nose...3 years. Smile

I wonder if I can arrange 'free' travel once more like I did last year.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Why would it 'get up Don's nose', Mike?

My state government isn't paying for it - why should I care?

You on the other hand will be catching it every other day - won't you? Correction - every 3rd or 4th day seeing as that's the maximum frequency.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It truly is my favourite thread, I will keep counting though
doyle

You are correct. It's the thread that keeps on giving Exclamation
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A couple of links here for the trumpet blowing.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/overland-service-back-track-january

https://www.facebook.com/PMalinauskasMP/photos/a.432810920138562/3505069292912694/?type=3&theater

BigShunter.

1 day doyle...Razz

That news will get up Dons nose...3 years. Smile

I wonder if I can arrange 'free' travel once more like I did last year.

Mike.
Why would it 'get up Don's nose', Mike?

My state government isn't paying for it - why should I care?

You on the other hand will be catching it every other day - won't you? Correction - every 3rd or 4th day seeing as that's the maximum frequency.
don_dunstan

Clearly the re-instatement of the Overland has had absolutely no effect on you... and whether I choose to travel on it with a free Seniors pass or perhaps not...will also, of course have no impact on you whatsoever.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
A couple of links here for the trumpet blowing.

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/overland-service-back-track-january

https://www.facebook.com/PMalinauskasMP/photos/a.432810920138562/3505069292912694/?type=3&theater

BigShunter.

1 day doyle...Razz

That news will get up Dons nose...3 years. Smile

I wonder if I can arrange 'free' travel once more like I did last year.

Mike.
Why would it 'get up Don's nose', Mike?

My state government isn't paying for it - why should I care?

You on the other hand will be catching it every other day - won't you? Correction - every 3rd or 4th day seeing as that's the maximum frequency.

Clearly the re-instatement of the Overland has had absolutely no effect on you... and whether I choose to travel on it with a free Seniors pass or perhaps not...will also, of course have no impact on you whatsoever.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Hooray, so you're not even going to pay the Victorian government for your trip... they'll be glad to know since they've spent $24 billion more than they actually have received this year.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I don't know what your problem is Don. Any Victorian senior citizen (over the age of 60 I believe) qualifies for 1 free return journey anywhere on the V/Line network once per year. If Mike qualifies for this, why shouldn't he use it?

Last time I took the Overland (November 2019), it was full, most people I spoke to paid their way (yes I asked) and were actually hopeful that it would be retained so they could repeat the experience.

Don't get me wrong, it could be better, I mean the rollingstock isn't exactly state of the art, but then again it could be more expensive too. I found the staff were very friendly & the service was excellent.

Its good to know that the Adelaide based staff are keeping their jobs, even if it means my Victorian tax funds are helping to do so. It's just a shame the S.A. Government don't seem to give a damn.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't know what your problem is Don. Any Victorian senior citizen (over the age of 60 I believe) qualifies for 1 free return journey anywhere on the V/Line network once per year. If Mike qualifies for this, why shouldn't he use it?
Gman_86
I agree with you: He's perfectly entitled to use his free travel pass on a train that is helping to bleed the Victorian taxpayers dry.
Last time I took the Overland (November 2019), it was full, most people I spoke to paid their way (yes I asked) and were actually hopeful that it would be retained so they could repeat the experience. Don't get me wrong, it could be better, I mean the rollingstock isn't exactly state of the art, but then again it could be more expensive too. I found the staff were very friendly & the service was excellent. Its good to know that the Adelaide based staff are keeping their jobs, even if it means my Victorian tax funds are helping to do so. It's just a shame the S.A. Government don't seem to give a damn.
Gman_86
For the umpteenth time, it just isn't something that is either accessible or practical for anyone in this state to actually use. It serves no purpose other than to ferry pensioners, tourists or backpackers between the capitals - and the refusal of the SA government to contribute to it points directly to the root of the problem: There aren't the numbers any longer using it.

Now if they actually provided a daily return service that made the trip in a reasonable sort of a time, was priced competitively, transited through Ballarat (or at least had good connection to it) and was aimed at people actually using it to travel instead of tourists then I might consider using it. Until then it remains an ornament - a tourist-boosting thing that is paid for by the very generous largess of Victorian taxpayers - apparently unable to find the additional $24,000,000,000 that they spent this year but nevertheless still able to fund a twice-weekly tourist train to my state.

Yay for them - on behalf of us poor old crow-eaters across the border I thank them for their very generous contribution to our state's economy.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I don't know what your problem is Don. Any Victorian senior citizen (over the age of 60 I believe) qualifies for 1 free return journey anywhere on the V/Line network once per year. If Mike qualifies for this, why shouldn't he use it?
Gman_86

Actually things have moved on a fair bit in recent years. Victorian Seniors, of which I've been one for over 5 years now receive 4, that's FOUR free passes a year.

Plus, along with the rest of Victorians of all ages...free travel on New Years Eve, New Years day and Christmas Day.

Clearly Don is more impacted by my association, such as it is, with the Overland. I have no idea why, because of my advocacy perhaps...but that's not for my benefit, it's for the alternative to a bus ride...never a favoured option over a train or an alternative for the leisure and holiday market so flying between Adelaide and Melbourne is not the only option.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I don't know what your problem is Don. Any Victorian senior citizen (over the age of 60 I believe) qualifies for 1 free return journey anywhere on the V/Line network once per year. If Mike qualifies for this, why shouldn't he use it?

Actually things have moved on a fair bit in recent years. Victorian Seniors, of which I've been one for over 5 years now receive 4, that's FOUR free passes a year.

Plus, along with the rest of Victorians of all ages...free travel on New Years Eve, New Years day and Christmas Day.

Clearly Don is more impacted by my association, such as it is, with the Overland. I have no idea why, because of my advocacy perhaps...but that's not for my benefit, it's for the alternative to a bus ride...never a favoured option over a train or an alternative for the leisure and holiday market so flying between Adelaide and Melbourne is not the only option.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Because you never use it, Mike - you're not in the market for it and you're never going to be a user of the service. But you feel compelled to tell us here in South Australia why its good for us to have this thing that we (mostly) don't use - BigShunter would be the sole exception, the only South Australian on this board who actually uses it.

If you advocated for the thing AND actually used it a few times a year - end-to-end or at least to an overnight destination as BigShunter does - then I'd have some sympathy for your advocacy. But instead you just want it there for the sake of it being there.

All I've ever said is that if the train was comparable with the bus I'd use it. But its not - it's just a tourist-focused thing that runs far too slowly and infrequently to be of any use to me.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

How do you go to an overnight destination on a daytime train?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
How do you go to an overnight destination on a daytime train?
route14
Well an actual destination that you're 'overnight' at - not just a day trip.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

You can't make same day returns both ways on the OL whichever segment you go.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I don't know what your problem is Don. Any Victorian senior citizen (over the age of 60 I believe) qualifies for 1 free return journey anywhere on the V/Line network once per year. If Mike qualifies for this, why shouldn't he use it?

Actually things have moved on a fair bit in recent years. Victorian Seniors, of which I've been one for over 5 years now receive 4, that's FOUR free passes a year.

Plus, along with the rest of Victorians of all ages...free travel on New Years Eve, New Years day and Christmas Day.

Clearly Don is more impacted by my association, such as it is, with the Overland. I have no idea why, because of my advocacy perhaps...but that's not for my benefit, it's for the alternative to a bus ride...never a favoured option over a train or an alternative for the leisure and holiday market so flying between Adelaide and Melbourne is not the only option.

Mike.
Because you never use it, Mike - you're not in the market for it and you're never going to be a user of the service. But you feel compelled to tell us here in South Australia why its good for us to have this thing that we (mostly) don't use - BigShunter would be the sole exception, the only South Australian on this board who actually uses it.

If you advocated for the thing AND actually used it a few times a year - end-to-end or at least to an overnight destination as BigShunter does - then I'd have some sympathy for your advocacy. But instead you just want it there for the sake of it being there.
don_dunstan

You don't understand and it's clearly beyond you to comprehend that it's entirely possible for a person or a group of people to advocate for OTHERS, complete strangers...an alternative to flying, driving or taking a bus..

But it's your clear obsession about my advocacy and the Victorian government for funding it for the next 3 years that you have clearly demonstrated by your constant replies about, in your opinion the train being a waste of Victorian tax payers funds and that the train will send Victoria's economy to a point of no return. or some such nonsense.

Why would you care, you now live in SA...except that you are singularly obsessed with that train and wish for it to cease running to satisfy some inner yearning. I challenge you to live up to your spiel and therefore stick to your alleged laissez-faire views about having no opinion hereafter about this subject.

Mike
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
For somebody who doesn't care about The Overland, Don sure has a lot to say about it.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You don't understand and it's clearly beyond you to comprehend that it's entirely possible for a person or a group of people to advocate for OTHERS, complete strangers...an alternative to flying, driving or taking a bus..
The Vinelander
And it's clearly beyond your comprehension that people who live the in the target market for said service should have something that's practical and use-able. Instead they should have whatever intermittent tourist thing is given to them and be grateful for it. Right?
But it's your clear obsession about my advocacy and the Victorian government for funding it for the next 3 years that you have clearly demonstrated by your constant replies about, in your opinion the train being a waste of Victorian tax payers funds and that the train will send Victoria's economy to a point of no return. or some such nonsense. Why would you care, you now live in SA...except that you are singularly obsessed with that train and wish for it to cease running to satisfy some inner yearning.
The Vinelander
What the buggery blazes are you blathering about now? I've said nothing other than I want a train service that I can actually use. And seeing as I'm an actual potential semi-regular customer (post-COVID19), not just a day-tripper using up my free Victorian taxpayer-funded fun passes - shouldn't my opinion count more in relation to the Overland than yours?

According to you the answer is 'no' because I don't like what's on offer.
I challenge you to live up to your spiel and therefore stick to your alleged laissez-faire views about having no opinion hereafter about this subject. Mike
The Vinelander
Strange use of 'laissez-faire', that means without rules or regulations.

And I have more of a right to an opinion on this subject than you do, don't I - seeing as I'm the one who will be using it.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
You couldn't help yourself...couldn't leave the subject alone....not even for a few hours.
The very subject you claim to have no interest in whatsoever. I'm happy to go on, because I didn't make a ridiculous statement about having no interest in it

YOU are completely obsessed about it... probably because it's the only service that passes for a regional train in your conservative neck of the woods.

Doyle, above couldn't have been more accurate in his few words.

Mike.

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