Welcome to Biden Town

 
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I'm as pissed as as a parrot, listening to Eddie Vedder and Mark Seymour, F U Don

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  kapow Junior Train Controller

Location: Melmac
I know that its the fashion at the moment to try and normalise transgender people as much as humanly possible but the fact is that if you express a desire to change gender from the one you were born with then it's not healthy. There's two pointers to this: One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender. So in other words they have surgical re-assignment and then realise that they made a mistake. That's about half of all people who go through with it.

The other fact is that you are no less likely to commit suicide after having gender re-assignment - so in other words you are unlikely to be more happy with yourself after you've had re-assignment - another pointer that helping kids 'transition' isn't actually helping them get better.

"In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, only 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, and 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them"

"The results of a 50 year survey published in 2010 of a cohort of 767 transgender people in Sweden found that about 2 percent of participants expressed regret after undergoing gender-affirming surgery."

http://https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686
ONLY 62 percent 'detransitioned' temporarily?

So that's certainly a reason to subject teenage girls to the full genetaila of teenage boys who think they're girls. Right?
don_dunstan

So you can't back up this claimed fact? 'One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender'.

Also why do you keep going on about boys apparently showing off full genitalia in girls bathrooms yet not showing equal outrage about girls showing off full genitalia in boys bathrooms? Surely that would cause equal harm in your way of thinking. It would also be helpful if you could show that this policy has caused the harm you claim, it's not like this will be the first law of it's type on the planet.

Oh and no I have no issues with Transgender people using the bathroom that best suits how they identify.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

(Also worth mentioning a week or so before this SCOTUS virtually refused to entertain two lawsuits over lack of actual evidence)
speedemon08
There was also the Texas one, which was a slightly closer thing as Alito saw fit to refer it to the full bench instead of dismissing it himself.

The electoral college is a system at least 100 years past its use by date (French style runoff election is far better for a presidency) and one that not even the US government advocates for when encouraging startup democracies.

Adding the existing system of each state running their own electoral system onto the electoral college is ridiculous. To even think about granting this request by Texas (i.e. allowing states to exert control over electoral systems in other states) is absolutely bonkers, and should be grounds for requiring an evaluation of Alito's mental stability.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I'm with Don 'needs help from a mental health professional ASAP' Dunstan on this one. It's a perversion that people are saying doesn't bother them, because that's the fashionable thing to say. Don't like the gender God gave you? Deal with it! This expectation that society must bend over backwards to pander our every whim...it's moronic. Where will it end? I wish people would just be thankful and positive about what they have rather than carrying on with this incessant moaning about what they'd prefer to have.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
As if I need to point it out...well, maybe to you, but not to the rest of us...I borrowed YOUR line to poke fun at your hypocrisy. I played by YOUR rules and you criticised me for it!

Drunk, stoned, whatever. It all points to mental health issues. I know that you can't comprehend that decent people actually care for each other and the last thing we want to see here is a long term Railpage member taking extreme action. but please, PLEASE, seek help.
DirtyBallast
So it never occurred to you to take the higher moral ground you were claiming and actually link something?

And gaslighting again, you should know by now that doesn't work on me.
I'm as pissed as as a parrot, listening to Eddie Vedder and Mark Seymour, F U Don
wobert
Charming but then I suppose what else is there to do in Netherby on a Tuesday night...
So you can't back up this claimed fact? 'One is that very long term studies have uncovered the fact that 50% people who have undergone gender re-assignment are likely to either regret their decision or ask to go back to their original gender'.
kapow
Somebody else said 62% from the quote you just repeated. Can't you use Google?
Also why do you keep going on about boys apparently showing off full genitalia in girls bathrooms yet not showing equal outrage about girls showing off full genitalia in boys bathrooms? Surely that would cause equal harm in your way of thinking.
kapow
Sadly the vast majority of sexual offenders are men and boys.
Oh and no I have no issues with Transgender people using the bathroom that best suits how they identify.
kapow
Again, the risk to minors of sexual predation is pretty high. Sex offenders often start out as pre-teens and they can be very calculating and take the long game, so its certainly possible that a boy could be saying that he's identifying as a girl just to get access to girls.

There's an excellent book by a forensic psychologist who worked for decades with sex offenders called "Predators" by Dr. Anne Salter, if you're really interested in who typical sex offenders are and how they operate then I'd strongly recommend it. They plan, they research and they groom people around them to think that they're not dangerous when in reality the opposite is true.
I'm with Don 'needs help from a mental health professional ASAP' Dunstan on this one. It's a perversion that people are saying doesn't bother them, because that's the fashionable thing to say. Don't like the gender God gave you? Deal with it! This expectation that society must bend over backwards to pander our every whim...it's moronic. Where will it end? I wish people would just be thankful and positive about what they have rather than carrying on with this incessant moaning about what they'd prefer to have.
billybaxter
Billy, all I'm interested in here is protecting young girls from the possibility of harm from sexual predators by letting them into the change rooms. I'm not going to go into the hows and whys of transgenderism because that's simply not what was being discussed here in relation to the proposed Biden/Harris law.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
(Also worth mentioning a week or so before this SCOTUS virtually refused to entertain two lawsuits over lack of actual evidence)
There was also the Texas one, which was a slightly closer thing as Alito saw fit to refer it to the full bench instead of dismissing it himself.

The electoral college is a system at least 100 years past its use by date (French style runoff election is far better for a presidency) and one that not even the US government advocates for when encouraging startup democracies.

Adding the existing system of each state running their own electoral system onto the electoral college is ridiculous. To even think about granting this request by Texas (i.e. allowing states to exert control over electoral systems in other states) is absolutely bonkers, and should be grounds for requiring an evaluation of Alito's mental stability.
justapassenger
We just need to get on with it now - even Jeff Kennett had the common sense to know when he was licked. I find it kinda disappointing that Trump couldn't have just accepted that in this instance he just wasn't going to get over the line - but whatever.

Also I'm looking forward to four years of Biden/Harris - it'll be really wonderful. There will be no more police brutality against black people at all, no more poverty or discrimination, climate change will stop immediately and the United States will once again be the shining light for democracy for the globe.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Again - the end result is boys with full male genetalia going into girls' changing rooms and showers. Now just answer the question - are you okay with that or not?
don_dunstan

I refuse to legitimise your question by answering it.

There's my answer.

Mike.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
OK Don; now you answer a question; where is your evidence? "Now just answer the question - are you okay with that or not?"
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

I'm gender fluid today.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I'm with Don 'needs help from a mental health professional ASAP' Dunstan on this one. It's a perversion that people are saying doesn't bother them, because that's the fashionable thing to say. Don't like the gender God gave you? Deal with it! This expectation that society must bend over backwards to pander our every whim...it's moronic. Where will it end? I wish people would just be thankful and positive about what they have rather than carrying on with this incessant moaning about what they'd prefer to have.
billybaxter

I think it's easy for a person who doesn't have an issue with their gender to comment on those who do and for the most part, the huge majority of the population has no issue about their gender. However why should the people who do have difficulties living with their gender and prefer to identify as not what 'God gave them' have to live their lives differently because, in ignorance some people say they should accept who they are. These decisions are not made lightly and it costs a fortune. I've never looked into it, but it's likely there is a serious and comprehensive psych process to be undertaken before any surgery is involved.

I'm a bloke...but I'm gay, this is not news, I've said it before, and I had no say in any decision about it because decisions weren't a consideration. This is me. Would I change it...no, definitely not. I'm also happy not conforming to what society used to call normal. I have other faults though. I'm selfish and I like to enjoy my life and to me not being married and having kids is a blessing.

If however I identified to a medical professional as being 'queer' back in less accepting days, I would likely have been subjected to all kinds of in my view, torture to make me 'normal'.

The world is a blend of people from all countries, genders and sexual orientations and provided the law is observed, people now live the way they choose to live and that includes people who for whatever reason feel that on balance, after probably years of consideration, they feel they will be complete as a person if they changed their gender.

Mike.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

Well said
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I'm with Don 'needs help from a mental health professional ASAP' Dunstan on this one. It's a perversion that people are saying doesn't bother them, because that's the fashionable thing to say. Don't like the gender God gave you? Deal with it! This expectation that society must bend over backwards to pander our every whim...it's moronic. Where will it end? I wish people would just be thankful and positive about what they have rather than carrying on with this incessant moaning about what they'd prefer to have.

I think it's easy for a person who doesn't have an issue with their gender to comment on those who do and for the most part, the huge majority of the population has no issue about their gender. However why should the people who do have difficulties living with their gender and prefer to identify as not what 'God gave them' have to live their lives differently because, in ignorance some people say they should accept who they are. These decisions are not made lightly and it costs a fortune. I've never looked into it, but it's likely there is a serious and comprehensive psych process to be undertaken before any surgery is involved.

I'm a bloke...but I'm gay, this is not news, I've said it before, and I had no say in any decision about it because decisions weren't a consideration. This is me. Would I change it...no, definitely not. I'm also happy not conforming to what society used to call normal. I have other faults though. I'm selfish and I like to enjoy my life and to me not being married and having kids is a blessing.

If however I identified to a medical professional as being 'queer' back in less accepting days, I would likely have been subjected to all kinds of in my view, torture to make me 'normal'.

The world is a blend of people from all countries, genders and sexual orientations and provided the law is observed, people now live the way they choose to live and that includes people who for whatever reason feel that on balance, after probably years of consideration, they feel they will be complete as a person if they changed their gender.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I attempted to answer Billy on this and gave up. Your reasoned and measured reply is far better than what I would have come up with.

Thank you.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:



https://youtu.be/fmuAB5MqP0Y
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:
"don_dunstan"
Well why not? He lives in the land of the free and can copy whoever he likes. It's not a crime.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:
Well why not? He lives in the land of the free and can copy whoever he likes. It's not a crime.
Valvegear
Geez, someone hasn't taken their anti-grumpy pills today...
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:



https://youtu.be/fmuAB5MqP0Y
don_dunstan

What some with vindictiveness and bile call plagiarism...others call a tribute.

President-elect Biden is not the first, and will certainly not be the last incoming leader to pay tribute in a speech to other notable leaders.

Interesting that all the quotes were also from other left leaning parties. I didn't see Maggies quote in the above comments; therefore

JFK - Democrat.

Kinnock - Labour.

Mike.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:
Well why not? He lives in the land of the free and can copy whoever he likes. It's not a crime.
Valvegear
Melania Trump seemed to do the exact same thing with Michelle Obama, not unheard of or unoriginal.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/19/melania-trump-republican-convention-plagiarism-michelle-obama
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
(Also worth mentioning a week or so before this SCOTUS virtually refused to entertain two lawsuits over lack of actual evidence)
There was also the Texas one, which was a slightly closer thing as Alito saw fit to refer it to the full bench instead of dismissing it himself.

The electoral college is a system at least 100 years past its use by date (French style runoff election is far better for a presidency) and one that not even the US government advocates for when encouraging startup democracies.

Adding the existing system of each state running their own electoral system onto the electoral college is ridiculous. To even think about granting this request by Texas (i.e. allowing states to exert control over electoral systems in other states) is absolutely bonkers, and should be grounds for requiring an evaluation of Alito's mental stability.
justapassenger
Alito is also under investigation by the FBI before he tried this stunt, its basically to pull a hail mary pardoning by helping Trump
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:
Well why not? He lives in the land of the free and can copy whoever he likes. It's not a crime.
Melania Trump seemed to do the exact same thing with Michelle Obama, not unheard of or unoriginal.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/19/melania-trump-republican-convention-plagiarism-michelle-obama
Dangersdan707
He has really got it in for Joe Biden, doesn't he?

So Trump ginning up his base so much that some were prepared to kidnap an elected official doesn't rate a mention, but here he is losing his collective $hit over Biden's plagiarism, whilst swearing black and blue that he does not care what happens in the US.

Spare me.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Joe Biden plagiarises Margaret Thatcher in his acceptance speech yesterday after the Electoral College win.

Not the first time he's plagiarised other politician's work and not attributed them at all: His first bid for President in 1988 failed miserably because he was found to be a serial plagiarist having stolen speeches from Robert Kennedy, John F. Kennedy and (then) UK Opposition Leader Neil Kinnock:
Well why not? He lives in the land of the free and can copy whoever he likes. It's not a crime.
Melania Trump seemed to do the exact same thing with Michelle Obama, not unheard of or unoriginal.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/19/melania-trump-republican-convention-plagiarism-michelle-obama
He has really got it in for Joe Biden, doesn't he?

So Trump ginning up his base so much that some were prepared to kidnap an elected official doesn't rate a mention, but here he is losing his collective $hit over Biden's plagiarism, whilst swearing black and blue that he does not care what happens in the US.

Spare me.


Michael
mejhammers1
Michael, have you ever considered that this might be payback for your incessant whinging about Trump for the last four years?

So you don't like me calling out the dreadful crook and serial incompetent that is Joe Biden? Cry me a river.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What some with vindictiveness and bile call plagiarism...others call a tribute.

President-elect Biden is not the first, and will certainly not be the last incoming leader to pay tribute in a speech to other notable leaders.
The Vinelander
You need a hand there with how things are defined correctly, Mike:

"Pay tribute" is where you attribute where you lifted your words from. "Plagiarise" is where you steal someone else's material and you don't acknowledge where it came from. If Mister Magoo was being honest he would have prefixed his statements with something along the lines of "...in the words of the great Robert Kennedy". But he didn't because he was hoping nobody would notice his plagiarism.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What some with vindictiveness and bile call plagiarism...others call a tribute.

President-elect Biden is not the first, and will certainly not be the last incoming leader to pay tribute in a speech to other notable leaders.
You need a hand there with how things are defined correctly, Mike:

"Pay tribute" is where you attribute where you lifted your words from. "Plagiarise" is where you steal someone else's material and you don't acknowledge where it came from. If Mister Magoo was being honest he would have prefixed his statements with something along the lines of "...in the words of the great Robert Kennedy". But he didn't because he was hoping nobody would notice his plagiarism.
don_dunstan

I wasn't aware that the correct protocol before delivering a speech is to acknowledge the tribute sections by mentioning them in advance, so the audience knows the speech didn't contain plagiarised sections. But perhaps in your conservative circles they do.

When people read your glass half empty contributions, the collective groans of the other posters can almost be heard emanating from the computer screen.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I wasn't aware that the correct protocol before delivering a speech is to acknowledge the tribute sections by mentioning them in advance, so the audience knows the speech didn't contain plagiarised sections. But perhaps in your conservative circles they do.
The Vinelander
It common courtesy to acknowledge that you've lifted something - as I said along the lines of "...in the words of the great Margaret Thatcher" or "...as John F. Kennedy famously said...". For someone like Biden to not acknowledge where he lifts portions of his noble speeches from is just plain selfish.

You're a cataloguing and reference expert (supposedly) and you didn't know that? Or you're just playing ignorant because it's me that pointed it out.
When people read your glass half empty contributions, the collective groans of the other posters can almost be heard emanating from the computer screen. Mike.
The Vinelander
My God, the ego! You honestly think that everything that spills from your keyboard is pure gold, Mike? There's plenty of people who agree with me on this board but they get belted into heard-thinking submission by people like you so they don't bother to participate. Whereas I love running rings around ignorant socialist troglodytes like you - it's easy.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

What some with vindictiveness and bile call plagiarism...others call a tribute.

President-elect Biden is not the first, and will certainly not be the last incoming leader to pay tribute in a speech to other notable leaders.
You need a hand there with how things are defined correctly, Mike:

"Pay tribute" is where you attribute where you lifted your words from. "Plagiarise" is where you steal someone else's material and you don't acknowledge where it came from. If Mister Magoo was being honest he would have prefixed his statements with something along the lines of "...in the words of the great Robert Kennedy". But he didn't because he was hoping nobody would notice his plagiarism.

I wasn't aware that the correct protocol before delivering a speech is to acknowledge the tribute sections by mentioning them in advance, so the audience knows the speech didn't contain plagiarised sections. But perhaps in your conservative circles they do.

When people read your glass half empty contributions, the collective groans of the other posters can almost be heard emanating from the computer screen.

Mike.
The Vinelander
When people read your glass half empty contributions, the collective groans of the other posters can almost be heard emanating from the computer screen.

Or they simply take the pi$$. The Chosen one is truly a legend in his own lunchbox.


Michael
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What some with vindictiveness and bile call plagiarism...others call a tribute.

President-elect Biden is not the first, and will certainly not be the last incoming leader to pay tribute in a speech to other notable leaders.
You need a hand there with how things are defined correctly, Mike:

"Pay tribute" is where you attribute where you lifted your words from. "Plagiarise" is where you steal someone else's material and you don't acknowledge where it came from. If Mister Magoo was being honest he would have prefixed his statements with something along the lines of "...in the words of the great Robert Kennedy". But he didn't because he was hoping nobody would notice his plagiarism.

I wasn't aware that the correct protocol before delivering a speech is to acknowledge the tribute sections by mentioning them in advance, so the audience knows the speech didn't contain plagiarised sections. But perhaps in your conservative circles they do.

When people read your glass half empty contributions, the collective groans of the other posters can almost be heard emanating from the computer screen.

Mike.
When people read your glass half empty contributions, the collective groans of the other posters can almost be heard emanating from the computer screen.

Or they simply take the pi$$. The Chosen one is truly a legend in his own lunchbox.


Michael
mejhammers1
Another one who thinks his contributions to this board are on a par with Aristotle or Socrates...

We've had four years of your incessant whinging about Trump and yet you can't bear five seconds of my pertinent observations about the demented crook Biden? Buckle up, sweetheart, I haven't even started yet.

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