The China Problem

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
These guys have no shame

Beijing has claimed to be unaware of a ban on Australian coal that was revealed by China’s state-controlled media.

The blacklisting of Australia’s $14bn annual coal exports to China was all-but-formalised at a high level meeting with major Chinese power companies held on Saturday to address a surge in coal prices in the world’s second biggest economy.

At the meeting the National Development Reform and Commission – China’s top economic planning agency – gave approval for clearance restrictions to be removed from coal imports from all countries except Australia, according to reports by state-controlled media. China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said he was “not aware” of the ban, which has been widely reported throughout China and the world.

In Beijing’s first comments on the ban, Mr Wang accused Australia of casting itself as a “victim, pointing an accusing finger at China.” “This move is meant to confound the public and we will never accept it,” Mr Wang said at a regular press conference in Beijing on Tuesday evening.

Those comments were said hours after Prime Minister Scott Morrison said discriminatory action on Australian coal exports would ­“obviously be in breach” of World Trade Organisation rules and the China-Australia FTA.

The nation’s top miners on Tuesday held crisis talks over the escalating trade tensions with China, as ship owners holding black-listed Australian coal off the Chinese coast threaten legal action over the mounting costs of a ban that has crunched the nation’s second biggest export industry.
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/politicsnow-wholl-be-first-in-australia-to-receive-the-covid19-vaccine/news-story/7557594e92e707f777908d73997dccb3

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  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
They often make reference to payback to Anglo-Saxons for the Opium Wars, a disgraceful episode where the British, attempting to claw back a trade imbalance with the Celestials, insisted they be allowed to turn the Chinese population into a gang of opium addicts. Resisting this, the Chinese authoities were shown the business end of modern European weaponry. It is an episode that our Asian friends have not yet forgotten and are willing to bring into the conversation the moment the words 'morality' and 'a fair crack of the whip' are bandied about.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
China's coal-fired power plants are rationing supply due to the artificial shortage of coal caused by the Communist Party: South China Morning Post

China’s economic planning agency has shrugged off domestic concern about higher coal prices due to tight supply, saying there is enough in reserve for winter despite reports that provincial governments have ordered reductions in power use.

The domestic price for thermal coal, which is used in power generation, shot up above 760 yuan per tonne on Wednesday, market participants told the South China Morning Post, far more than the government’s upper price limit of about 600 yuan per tonne.

Spot market prices have been above 620 yuan per tonne this week, from 500 yuan per tonne a month ago, as production from coal producing provinces Shanxi and Shaanxi, as well as neighboring Mongolia, failed to compensate for shortages from lower imports, analysts said.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
China's coal-fired power plants are rationing supply due to the artificial shortage of coal caused by the Communist Party: South China Morning Post

China’s economic planning agency has shrugged off domestic concern about higher coal prices due to tight supply, saying there is enough in reserve for winter despite reports that provincial governments have ordered reductions in power use.

The domestic price for thermal coal, which is used in power generation, shot up above 760 yuan per tonne on Wednesday, market participants told the South China Morning Post, far more than the government’s upper price limit of about 600 yuan per tonne.

Spot market prices have been above 620 yuan per tonne this week, from 500 yuan per tonne a month ago, as production from coal producing provinces Shanxi and Shaanxi, as well as neighboring Mongolia, failed to compensate for shortages from lower imports, analysts said.
don_dunstan
And further self inflicted shot in the foot. It would be funny if not so serious.
schadenfreude-as-chinese-steel-mills-ask-for-help-from-rio-and-bhpl

Germany left two good things behind in China. Beer and Schadenfreude.

PS:
I'm stumped how China thinks it can import coal from Indonesia and other non-continental based countries, when the ships needed are all sitting at anchor.
Even from Russia,Mongolia do they have enough rollingstock?

cheers
John
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Meanwhile, West Asian dictatorships are coupling with China in a big way:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/1st-turkey-china-freight-train-completes-historic-trip/2082512
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
They often make reference to payback to Anglo-Saxons for the Opium Wars, a disgraceful episode where the British, attempting to claw back a trade imbalance with the Celestials, insisted they be allowed to turn the Chinese population into a gang of opium addicts. Resisting this, the Chinese authoities were shown the business end of modern European weaponry. It is an episode that our Asian friends have not yet forgotten and are willing to bring into the conversation the moment the words 'morality' and 'a fair crack of the whip' are bandied about.
billybaxter
Empires rise and fall. The European nations that created colonial empires didn't care about their impact on the locals.
This is their time and like it or not it's a fact. What does a minor 'power' like Australia expect. All our big friends to stick up for us. Does anyone expect them to pull back on their exports. If we are so morally outraged by China's policies then cut all exports and compensate local producers until they can find comparable markets.
Never going to happen.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
They often make reference to payback to Anglo-Saxons for the Opium Wars, a disgraceful episode where the British, attempting to claw back a trade imbalance with the Celestials, insisted they be allowed to turn the Chinese population into a gang of opium addicts. Resisting this, the Chinese authoities were shown the business end of modern European weaponry. It is an episode that our Asian friends have not yet forgotten and are willing to bring into the conversation the moment the words 'morality' and 'a fair crack of the whip' are bandied about.
Empires rise and fall. The European nations that created colonial empires didn't care about their impact on the locals.
This is their time and like it or not it's a fact. What does a minor 'power' like Australia expect. All our big friends to stick up for us. Does anyone expect them to pull back on their exports. If we are so morally outraged by China's policies then cut all exports and compensate local producers until they can find comparable markets.
Never going to happen.
Groundrelay
Not unless the government intervenes to put retaliatory tariffs on everything we import from China.

Had a walk around Bunnings yesterday and its incredible how much of the stuff from there comes from the People's Republic; although there's no reason why most of that stuff couldn't be sourced from other countries or (shock, horror) even our own shores.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
As an aside, I've been trying to transfer stuff from my old all-in-one to my 'new' all-in-one in the last few days and I've learnt that Microsoft's massive anti-competitive streak hasn't changed one iota. My new Dell computer is actually ex-University of Adelaide from a disposal auction but it has an i7 processor, touch-screen and is a lot better than my old Acer - however every single attempt to install something Google-related on my new computer has been met with hostility from the operating system (Windows 10) and in fact it point blank refused to let me put Chrome onto it for a few days until I found a way around it.

I've finally got Chrome operating with all my tabs and passwords on my new Dell but there's still problems with trying to move other programs and files across, now its decided it doesn't like Kaspersky and a few other things I'm trying to migrate. Windows 10 is positively evil, it does everything it can to sabotage you from using competitor's software!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I think you're just incompetent. I ran Chrome on Win10 with the only issue being that it isn't very good.

It was a handy method for downloading Firefox though.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I think you're just incompetent. I ran Chrome on Win10 with the only issue being that it isn't very good.

It was a handy method for downloading Firefox though.
justapassenger
I'm running Chrome on my existing Acer with Windows 10 with no problems for the past few years; but trying to set up Chrome on the new computer was a nightmare, it kept downloading but it simply refused to install but eventually the internet showed me how to get around Uncle Bill's road-blocks. It still won't let me set Chrome as the default browser but I've at least managed to migrate most of my stuff to the new machine.

There's a long history of Windows ten doing stuff to (intentionally or unintentionally) stuff up Chrome (this example being the latest)  but I happen to like Chrome as it synchs well across all our devices and it works well for most of the stuff I look at bar Railpage, which I have to use Firefox to properly use. Not sure why but Railpage just won't edit well on any other browser -
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Incidentally one of the roadblocks is switching off the "security" mode in Windows 10 which was a patch that came through in May apparently - Windows considers non-Microsoft software a problem to cut a long story short. The problem is that you generally have to turn off the "security" mode to ensure foreign software isn't automatically flagged but you can never turn it back on so I'm told so I found a way around it without having to remove the security stuff.

Yet to figure out how to migrate Kaspersky - I have regular clashes between those two as it is on my existing Acer, I can't imagine that will improve with a move to a new machine.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Stop buying rubbish computers like Acers and second hand Dells. I should think a man of your supposed economic prowess could at least afford to buy something as basic as a new computer.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Stop buying rubbish computers like Acers and second hand Dells. I should think a man of your supposed economic prowess could at least afford to buy something as basic as a new computer.
"billybaxter"

My 2 cents.

If you want a PC/Windows to perform efficiently, you need to get rid of every scap of bloat put there by other vendors
Ie. DELL, HP, Adobe, Acer, any printer manufacurer, etc.
They continually fight each other and suck the life out of an otherwise good machine.
Also buy from the box are usually made from superceded crap components.

Only guarantee is to start from scratch; motherboard only, then Windows 10, then internet, then add your useful applications - and whenever they ask to be default - say "NO" unless absolutely necessary.

It's an absolute pain, having sired an IT professional helps.
Alternate - pay a professional if you manage to find a competent one, it is worth the better quality and probably cheaper components.

cheers
John
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
It's an absolute pain, having sired an IT professional helps.
"justarider"
Complete agreement there; I have two sons in the business - any problem with my computer, and it's press the phone's pre-set and yell "help."
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Stop buying rubbish computers like Acers and second hand Dells. I should think a man of your supposed economic prowess could at least afford to buy something as basic as a new computer.
billybaxter
What the blazes are you talking about - its a 2017 built Dell with all the latest everythings that I could possibly need - I've never had a touchscreen this big and frankly I'm getting used to it as an alternative to picking up the mouse its good. I work at home sometimes so I have to have something reasonably fast. My Acer has a wireless keyboard and mouse that have lasted years but frankly there's no point and the new computer even takes me back to wired keyboard and mouse - no more batteries to bother changing - even that's a step forward.
My 2 cents. If you want a PC/Windows to perform efficiently, you need to get rid of every scap of bloat put there by other vendors Ie. DELL, HP, Adobe, Acer, any printer manufacurer, etc. They continually fight each other and suck the life out of an otherwise good machine. Also buy from the box are usually made from superceded crap components. Only guarantee is to start from scratch; motherboard only, then Windows 10, then internet, then add your useful applications - and whenever they ask to be default - say "NO" unless absolutely necessary. It's an absolute pain, having sired an IT professional helps. Alternate - pay a professional if you manage to find a competent one, it is worth the better quality and probably cheaper components. cheers John
justarider
- Absolutely nothing else on it apart from a licensed Windows 10, they wipe them really effectively before they sell them @ end of warranty. University computers also have the odd feature of not having Wifi built in - easily solved with a $8 adapter plugged into one of the USB ports at the back. I'm not sure why they don't want Wifi at all but my guess is that it was an academic's computer and they don't want students or any potential outsiders being able to connect - full-stop.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

My 2 cents.

If you want a PC/Windows to perform efficiently, you need to get rid of every scap of bloat put there by other vendors
Ie. DELL, HP, Adobe, Acer, any printer manufacurer, etc.
They continually fight each other and suck the life out of an otherwise good machine.
Also buy from the box are usually made from superceded crap components.

Only guarantee is to start from scratch; motherboard only, then Windows 10, then internet, then add your useful applications - and whenever they ask to be default - say "NO" unless absolutely necessary.
justarider
In general, I agree.

But for someone of Don's competence who can't even install Chrome (let alone device drivers) the better option is probably going to be hitting up one of Gerry's stores for a computer in a box with pre-installed Windows 10 Home and 90 days of complementary support.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

On the same day that the stupid EU signs an investment pact with China, more revelations of forced labour camps:

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
On the same day that the stupid EU signs an investment pact with China, more revelations of forced labour camps:
"Carnot"
Don't they use the term "re-education camps"?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
My 2 cents.

If you want a PC/Windows to perform efficiently, you need to get rid of every scap of bloat put there by other vendors
Ie. DELL, HP, Adobe, Acer, any printer manufacurer, etc.
They continually fight each other and suck the life out of an otherwise good machine.
Also buy from the box are usually made from superceded crap components.

Only guarantee is to start from scratch; motherboard only, then Windows 10, then internet, then add your useful applications - and whenever they ask to be default - say "NO" unless absolutely necessary.
In general, I agree.

But for someone of Don's competence who can't even install Chrome (let alone device drivers) the better option is probably going to be hitting up one of Gerry's stores for a computer in a box with pre-installed Windows 10 Home and 90 days of complementary support.
justapassenger
Yup that's me, plopping into my nappies. A regular Joe Biden.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
On the same day that the stupid EU signs an investment pact with China, more revelations of forced labour camps:
Don't they use the term "re-education camps"?
Valvegear
If you categorize starving and brainwashing as a form of education - then yes.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
The problem is clearly Don's Scrooge like computer buying habits. Chrome has been installed on computers running Windows 10 billions of times, so I doubt Don would be the first to notice this so-called roadblock. Just an excuse for him to carry on as if he's The Brainiac. And again, jealousy comes out, the base element, as Don wedges in a totally gratuitous insult about a man who has achieved far greater than he, with his hand-me-down Dell. Those photos are probably just factories. Just because somebody at the BuzzFeed site says they're prison work camps doesn't mean they are. I believe the U.S. also makes prisoners do hard labour before sending them off to the chair. Don't buy any Chinese made products (Dell and Acer computers....?) if you believe abd you're so worried about this.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The problem is clearly Don's Scrooge like computer buying habits. Chrome has been installed on computers running Windows 10 billions of times, so I doubt Don would be the first to notice this so-called roadblock. Just an excuse for him to carry on as if he's The Brainiac. And again, jealousy comes out, the base element, as Don wedges in a totally gratuitous insult about a man who has achieved far greater than he, with his hand-me-down Dell. Those photos are probably just factories. Just because somebody at the BuzzFeed site says they're prison work camps doesn't mean they are. I believe the U.S. also makes prisoners do hard labour before sending them off to the chair. Don't buy any Chinese made products (Dell and Acer computers....?) if you believe abd you're so worried about this.
billybaxter
Another quality post from you, Billy.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I'm shocked that some of the regular posters haven't popped in to point out the shocking racism that is passing for commentary here. Somebody slaps up a few pictures of what looks like a standard industrial zone and before the pin drops you are all blathering about Chinese death camps. Would you do the same with a picture of somewhere in the Ruhr and say 'look, the Boch are at it again'? NO! Our Chinese friends are doing a wonderful job of pulling millions from the clutches of poverty, of stamping out religious extremism, of transforming an empire crushed by the boot of opiate fanatics into the world's finest tuned economic powerhouse (that alone should impress you Don) and all they get is pointed fingers.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Billy, There’s plenty of criticism of the sepos Trump and Biden, other countries including China similarly have unfavourable opinions posted.
Why is it negative comments RE China are racist?
If poor behaviour is to be highlighted and called out so be it, racist connotations need not apply.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
If I started a thread called 'the South Africa problem', or the same for Venezuela, Eritrea, Sahwari, Algeria, Cuba, North Korea....we'd see the problem. All countries that have real, proven problems with so called human rights, all countries that are darlings of the Left.

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