Welcome to Trump town

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Impeach and convict Trump. Just do it.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You roll a hand sized snow ball down a hill that grows into the size of a car and smashes houses, yes you are responsible.
RTT_Rules
False analogy, Shane. In order for Trump to be inciting violence he would have had to directly say "let's go smash the joint up".

He said no such thing. So you're wrong. I don't know how many different ways you keep trying to pin it on him but the fact is there's no smoking gun.

The fact that you (and others) can't comprehend the difference goes to show how obsessed you are with him.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I am not sure if this will work. Its a really strong statement from Arnie Swarzenegger a Republican. I suggest Don looks at it. He has equated Krystal Nacht to the smashing of windows in the Capital Building.
nswtrains
That's just plain stupid - the two events are in no way related.
He gave them the green light you idiot.
nswtrains
I must have missed the bit where he actually said "let's go smash the Capitol building up".

For a lawyer you sure are fast and loose with the truth aren't you.
At least the BLM protests had a coheasive idea of what they wanted (I.e Equality). You can go interview half the Y'allqueda and they dont have a single motivation other than "stop the steal", once inside most of them had no clue what to do.
speedemon8
Michael was trying to justify the BLM thing with the same lens too - "but they had a cause". Rubbish! Try telling that to all the businesses that were destroyed in Minneapolis (for one) - that BLM was a legitimate cause. How many people died in BLM? Most of you can't even name a figure.

One riot is not more noble than another riot. They both have the aim of destruction of property. BLM was NOT justified despite what Michael and others here think.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It would have been technically impossible for the people who attended the Trump rally to be the same people who smashed up the Capitol Building - the first 'protestors' intent on starting trouble started showing up at the Capitol Building at 12:40pm on that day, yet Trump's speech didn't finish until a full half an hour later. It would have also taken at least 45 minutes to an hour for those people attending the Trump rally to physically get to Congress and the riots were already well underway before 2pm - so the people who actually started the riot there were almost certainly not from the Trump rally - they couldn't have got there in time.

So we'll see how 'incitement to violence' floats in court - but its really impossible to imagine that they'll succeed. And with a week to go in his Presidency what's the point?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It would have been technically impossible for the people who attended the Trump rally to be the same people who smashed up the Capitol Building - the first 'protestors' intent on starting trouble started showing up at the Capitol Building at 12:40pm on that day, yet Trump's speech didn't finish until a full half an hour later. It would have also taken at least 45 minutes to an hour for those people attending the Trump rally to physically get to Congress and the riots were already well underway before 2pm - so the people who actually started the riot there were almost certainly not from the Trump rally - they couldn't have got there in time.

So we'll see how 'incitement to violence' floats in court - but its really impossible to imagine that they'll succeed. And with a week to go in his Presidency what's the point?
don_dunstan
So let me get this straight, who else would break into the Capitol Building and create havoc, it wouldn't be the Antifa movement as you so claim, why would they storm the building when their man was about to get up?? the only people that stormed the building were the Far Right wing Trump supporter's - Fact-check: Did antifa storm Capitol Hill? (msn.com)
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It would have been technically impossible for the people who attended the Trump rally to be the same people who smashed up the Capitol Building - the first 'protestors' intent on starting trouble started showing up at the Capitol Building at 12:40pm on that day, yet Trump's speech didn't finish until a full half an hour later. It would have also taken at least 45 minutes to an hour for those people attending the Trump rally to physically get to Congress and the riots were already well underway before 2pm - so the people who actually started the riot there were almost certainly not from the Trump rally - they couldn't have got there in time.

So we'll see how 'incitement to violence' floats in court - but its really impossible to imagine that they'll succeed. And with a week to go in his Presidency what's the point?
So let me get this straight, who else would break into the Capitol Building and create havoc, it wouldn't be the Antifa movement as you so claim, why would they storm the building when their man was about to get up?? the only people that stormed the building were the Far Right wing Trump supporter's - Fact-check: Did antifa storm Capitol Hill? (msn.com)
lsrailfan
You're playing games with semantics. I didn't say that Antifa were the only people to storm the Congressional Building - I said they had found one prominent activist among those who occupied the building. One activist doesn't equal a whole mob. The others were just people who were determined to start a riot.

And the fact remains that the people who occupied Congress were not the same people who attended the Trump rally.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It would have been technically impossible for the people who attended the Trump rally to be the same people who smashed up the Capitol Building - the first 'protestors' intent on starting trouble started showing up at the Capitol Building at 12:40pm on that day, yet Trump's speech didn't finish until a full half an hour later. It would have also taken at least 45 minutes to an hour for those people attending the Trump rally to physically get to Congress and the riots were already well underway before 2pm - so the people who actually started the riot there were almost certainly not from the Trump rally - they couldn't have got there in time.

So we'll see how 'incitement to violence' floats in court - but its really impossible to imagine that they'll succeed. And with a week to go in his Presidency what's the point?
So let me get this straight, who else would break into the Capitol Building and create havoc, it wouldn't be the Antifa movement as you so claim, why would they storm the building when their man was about to get up?? the only people that stormed the building were the Far Right wing Trump supporter's - Fact-check: Did antifa storm Capitol Hill? (msn.com)
You're playing games with semantics. I didn't say that Antifa were the only people to storm the Congressional Building - I said they had found one prominent activist among those who occupied the building. One activist doesn't equal a whole mob. The others were just people who were determined to start a riot.

And the fact remains that the people who occupied Congress were not the same people who attended the Trump rally.
don_dunstan
They were still pro Trump supporter's that stormed the building.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You're playing games with semantics. I didn't say that Antifa were the only people to storm the Congressional Building - I said they had found one prominent activist among those who occupied the building. One activist doesn't equal a whole mob. The others were just people who were determined to start a riot.

And the fact remains that the people who occupied Congress were not the same people who attended the Trump rally.
They were still pro Trump supporter's that stormed the building.
lsrailfan
So is Donald Trump directly responsible for the actions of anyone - ANYONE - who says that they support him?

Simple question.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

...

And the fact remains that the people who occupied Congress were not the same people who attended the Trump rally.
They were still pro Trump supporter's that stormed the building.
So is Donald Trump directly responsible for the actions of anyone - ANYONE - who says that they support him?

Simple question.
don_dunstan

The reverse Nuremberg defence.

The rioters should have known Trump's incitement to commit treasonous violence was illegal, so they are culpable, and therefore Trump isn't.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
You're playing games with semantics. I didn't say that Antifa were the only people to storm the Congressional Building - I said they had found one prominent activist among those who occupied the building. One activist doesn't equal a whole mob. The others were just people who were determined to start a riot.

And the fact remains that the people who occupied Congress were not the same people who attended the Trump rally.
They were still pro Trump supporter's that stormed the building.
So is Donald Trump directly responsible for the actions of anyone - ANYONE - who says that they support him?

Simple question.
don_dunstan
No he is clearly not DIRECLTLY responsible, that would be an absurd claim,  but the fact still remains that the people that broke into the building were NOT of the left.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Anyone who thinks it was all an inevitable accident ought to read this thread:



I know it's twitter and laced with opinion and potentially selective interpretation, but it's hard to draw any other conclusion than it was an orchestrated attempt to violently prevent Biden's ascent to the presidency.   Is Trump culpable?  Can he claim "I didn't know?"  

The only reasonable defence I can see is if he is genuinely mentally impaired.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Of course Trump knew he was revving up the mob.  Although the raid on the Capitol Building was something he perhaps didn't expect in its violence and chaos.  Hard to tell really.

As for next week's Presidential Inauguration - probably best to do it indoors and away from the public given the high likelihood of armed RWNJ militias trying to incite another civil war.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It would have been technically impossible for the people who attended the Trump rally to be the same people who smashed up the Capitol Building - the first 'protestors' intent on starting trouble started showing up at the Capitol Building at 12:40pm on that day, yet Trump's speech didn't finish until a full half an hour later.

It would have also taken at least 45 minutes to an hour for those people attending the Trump rally to physically get to Congress and the riots were already well underway before 2pm - so the people who actually started the riot there were almost certainly not from the Trump rally - they couldn't have got there in time.

So we'll see how 'incitement to violence' floats in court - but its really impossible to imagine that they'll succeed. And with a week to go in his Presidency what's the point?
don_dunstan

Oh Don, Don, Don, Don, your persisting twisting of the truth on a topic your said you were finished with is almost cute.

Lead up to Rally
December 18, Trump announced on Twitter, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"[color=#0b0080][90][/color][color=#0b0080][91][/color] The "[color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif][i]Save America March[/i][/font][/size][/color]

Trump announced plans for a rally before the January 6 vote count to continue his challenge to the validity of several states' election results. " and rally that preceded the riots at the Capitol were largely organized by Women for America First, a [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]501(c)(4) organization[/font][/size][/color] chaired by [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Amy [i]Kremer[/i][/font][/size][/color].[color=#0b0080][92][/color] Women for America First invited its supporters to join a [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]caravan[/font][/size][/color] of vehicles traveling to the event.[color=#0b0080][92][/color] [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Event management[/font][/size][/color] for Trump's speech was carried out by Event Strategies, a company founded by Tim Unes, who worked for Trump's 2016 presidential campaign

Over the following two weeks, numerous groups openly planned to breech the Capitol, instigate violence, attack opposition and plant bombs. While Trump himself may or may not be aware of this, it was discussed openingly in placed like Reddit.  As the secret service and other aspects of the US spy sector monitor almost everything, then to believe Trump didn't know is unimaginable.

So knowing this level of insurrection was in play and what numerous people were planning to do and knowing the bookings being made with the airlines. Trump continued with his speech, a speech that incited physical action. He told them to walk to the Capitol knowing that there was already a unpeaceful crowd there. He motivated them to oppose.

So at this point Trump is in control of the mob, he could tell them to go home, but he didn't.  He also told them he would be there with them, he wasn't. Had Trump been at the Capitol like he said he would be, he could have easily controlled the crowd, he didn't.

Basically at this point it is impossible for Trump to distance himself from what will follow, politically or legally. In Australia you can be charged with "incitement to violence".


Trump Speech (rant) :12:39pm at Washington Monument

Instigated by Trump to help him overturn the election result, a crowd marched down Pennsylvania Avenue after the rally and advanced on the Capitol, where a separate crowd had gathered [yes a separate crowd had gathered, but it was joined by the Trump crowd]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol#cite_note-134]

Distance from Monument to steps of Capitol, ~2km or 30min walk

WUSA9 spoke to a number of the rioters present Wednesday, who said they felt emboldened by President Trump's speech.

"You'll never take back our country with weakness," Trump proclaimed. "Demand that Congress do the right thing... fight like hell."

1pm
Around 1:00 p.m. [color=#0b0080]EST, hundreds of Trump supporters clashed with officers and pushed through barriers along the perimeter of the Capitol.[color=#0b0080][136][/color][color=#0b0080][137][/color] The crowd swept past barriers and officers, with some members of the mob spraying officers with [color=#0b0080]chemical agents[/color] or hitting them with lead pipes.[color=#0b0080][1][/color][color=#0b0080][138][/color] Although many rioters simply walked to the walls of the Capitol, some resorted to ropes and makeshift ladders.[color=#0b0080][139][/color][/color]
Meanwhile Sund, at 1:09 p.m., called Irving and Stenger and asked them for an emergency declaration required to call in the National Guard; they both told Sund they would "run it up the chain". Irving called back with formal approval an hour later


Note: the building has yet to be breeched.

2pm

Just after 2:00 p.m., windows were broken through, and the mob breached the building and entered the [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]National Statuary Hall[/font][/size][/color].

It was around 2:00 p.m. when the gates on the east and west sides of the Capitol were breached. On the east side, there were about 10 U.S. Capitol Police officers that kept the chanting crowd at bay at the bottom of the steps. For four minutes, that's where they stayed, until they were joined by more U.S. Capitol Police officers, some in full riot gear.


So Donnie Boy, yes there was a separate mob there at the start, however the building wasn't breeched until well after the other mob had amble time to arrive.

Also note these people didn't just arrive from the 'burbs of Washington DC, they flew in. The woman that was shot was from the other side of the country.


You don't incite the violence and deaths that followed and simply walk away saying oh well, "I'm no longer in charge leave me alone".  Dismissing the President has other flow on consequences including the US people basically saying to the world, "yes we were wrong he's a FU, so we fired him". Trump is also running from other legal action that being impeached will help proceed.

  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Of course Trump knew he was revving up the mob.  Although the raid on the Capitol Building was something he perhaps didn't expect in its violence and chaos.  Hard to tell really.

As for next week's Presidential Inauguration - probably best to do it indoors and away from the public given the high likelihood of armed RWNJ militias trying to incite another civil war.
Carnot
Well they were screaming about "hanging Mike Pence" because there was no legal option to stop/delay the vote counting. And almost everyone in succession to the line of the presidency was in that building at the time.

And in that video he put up in the same day it was mentioned 3 times in 60 seconds about "stopping the steal", and Trump refused national guard deployment until VP Pence made it happen during the storming.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You're playing games with semantics. I didn't say that Antifa were the only people to storm the Congressional Building - I said they had found one prominent activist among those who occupied the building. One activist doesn't equal a whole mob. The others were just people who were determined to start a riot.

And the fact remains that the people who occupied Congress were not the same people who attended the Trump rally.
They were still pro Trump supporter's that stormed the building.
So is Donald Trump directly responsible for the actions of anyone - ANYONE - who says that they support him?

Simple question.
don_dunstan
As Leader of the Country and Military for that country who makes comments to encourage, yes he is responsible for what happens after!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Of course Trump knew he was revving up the mob.  Although the raid on the Capitol Building was something he perhaps didn't expect in its violence and chaos.  Hard to tell really.

As for next week's Presidential Inauguration - probably best to do it indoors and away from the public given the high likelihood of armed RWNJ militias trying to incite another civil war.
Carnot
The raid on the Capitol was preplanned and openly discussed in the internet forums. People turned up with ladders and pipe bombs and FIB has found cars parked by some protesters full of fire arms and ammunition. You don't do that if you just going to hear someone talk.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Of course Trump knew he was revving up the mob.  Although the raid on the Capitol Building was something he perhaps didn't expect in its violence and chaos.  Hard to tell really.

As for next week's Presidential Inauguration - probably best to do it indoors and away from the public given the high likelihood of armed RWNJ militias trying to incite another civil war.
Carnot
The raid on the Capitol was preplanned and openly discussed in the internet forums. People turned up with ladders and pipe bombs and FIB has found cars parked by some protesters full of fire arms and ammunition. You don't do that if you just going to hear someone talk.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh Don, Don, Don, Don, your persisting twisting of the truth on a topic your said you were finished with is almost cute.
RTT_Rules
Yet again you fail to prove your point that there was direct incitement to violence. You need to look up what exactly it is because you don't seem to know.
So Donnie Boy, yes there was a separate mob there at the start, however the building wasn't breeched until well after the other mob had amble time to arrive.
RTT_Rules
Not true, there was only half an hour between the end of the Trump rally and the Capitol building being illegally entered. And an hour later things were back to normal.

Seriously, an attempted coup?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Oh Don, Don, Don, Don, your persisting twisting of the truth on a topic your said you were finished with is almost cute.
Yet again you fail to prove your point that there was direct incitement to violence. You need to look up what exactly it is because you don't seem to know.
So Donnie Boy, yes there was a separate mob there at the start, however the building wasn't breeched until well after the other mob had amble time to arrive.
Not true, there was only half an hour between the end of the Trump rally and the Capitol building being illegally entered. And an hour later things were back to normal.

Seriously, an attempted coup?
don_dunstan
Oh for crying out loud  Don, pull your head in, your comments are BS.

AGAIN Don,

Numerous people and myself here and have posted numerous comments by DT that encouraged a protest and did nothing to stop any violence. He even refused to call out the National Guard, it took the VP to do this and doing this he broke chain of command and yet they still acted.

AGAIN Don,
30min is all it takes to move 2km Don.

AGAIN Don,
- His speech was 12:39,
- 1pm a crowd already was causing minor problems and challenging security at the Capitol and shortly after joined by Trump's crowd (as documented).
- 2pm they entered the building
- 3:04pm VP called for National Guard
- 3:30pm National guard movements was being expitited.
- etc
- etc
- etc
- At around 5:40 p.m., the [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Sergeant at Arms[/font][/size][/color] announced that the Capitol had been secured

AGAIN Don,
So much four your 1h comment to restore order.

AGAIN Don,
December 18, Trump announced on Twitter, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!

From that point on there was a large country wide movement of people towards the Capitol,
- Many posting publicly they intended to do what they did.
- Some made and took bombs
- Some armed
- They built a Gallows
- They turned up with ladders
- They turned up with dozens of plastic hand cuffs

At no time Trump made any steps to stop it, he didn't even call in the National Guard when told the Capitol was taken over.

AGAIN Don
If these people had won, it would be called a coup.

AGAIN Don
Please tell me how other Coup's are incited?

AGAIN Don
why are you defending your buffoon of a namesake?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The fact is that some of those people that stormed the Capitol Building were far right wing extremists intent on creating havoc and carnage, why else were IED'S found on the premises, one person was pictured in the chamber itself with full tactical gear on.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh Don, Don, Don, Don, your persisting twisting of the truth on a topic your said you were finished with is almost cute.
Yet again you fail to prove your point that there was direct incitement to violence. You need to look up what exactly it is because you don't seem to know.
So Donnie Boy, yes there was a separate mob there at the start, however the building wasn't breeched until well after the other mob had amble time to arrive.
Not true, there was only half an hour between the end of the Trump rally and the Capitol building being illegally entered. And an hour later things were back to normal.

Seriously, an attempted coup?
Oh for crying out loud  Don, pull your head in, your comments are BS.

AGAIN Don,

Numerous people and myself here and have posted numerous comments by DT that encouraged a protest and did nothing to stop any violence. He even refused to call out the National Guard, it took the VP to do this and doing this he broke chain of command and yet they still acted.

AGAIN Don,
30min is all it takes to move 2km Don.

AGAIN Don,
- His speech was 12:39,
- 1pm a crowd already was causing minor problems and challenging security at the Capitol and shortly after joined by Trump's crowd (as documented).
- 2pm they entered the building
- 3:04pm VP called for National Guard
- 3:30pm National guard movements was being expitited.
- etc
- etc
- etc
- At around 5:40 p.m., the [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Sergeant at Arms[/font][/size][/color] announced that the Capitol had been secured

AGAIN Don,
So much four your 1h comment to restore order.

AGAIN Don,
December 18, Trump announced on Twitter, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!

From that point on there was a large country wide movement of people towards the Capitol,
- Many posting publicly they intended to do what they did.
- Some made and took bombs
- Some armed
- They built a Gallows
- They turned up with ladders
- They turned up with dozens of plastic hand cuffs

At no time Trump made any steps to stop it, he didn't even call in the National Guard when told the Capitol was taken over.

AGAIN Don
If these people had won, it would be called a coup.

AGAIN Don
Please tell me how other Coup's are incited?

AGAIN Don
why are you defending your buffoon of a namesake?
RTT_Rules
Nothing you say in any way proves your point.

Can't drive in the zone from the Trump speech to the Congressional building - 45-60 minutes walking.

How exactly was Viking man going to WIN the keys to the nuclear button - hmm?

Nah sorry, you're just another cry-baby who is craving something to talk about. This was a nothing event. NEXT!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Oh Don, Don, Don, Don, your persisting twisting of the truth on a topic your said you were finished with is almost cute.
Yet again you fail to prove your point that there was direct incitement to violence. You need to look up what exactly it is because you don't seem to know.
So Donnie Boy, yes there was a separate mob there at the start, however the building wasn't breeched until well after the other mob had amble time to arrive.
Not true, there was only half an hour between the end of the Trump rally and the Capitol building being illegally entered. And an hour later things were back to normal.

Seriously, an attempted coup?
Oh for crying out loud  Don, pull your head in, your comments are BS.

AGAIN Don,

Numerous people and myself here and have posted numerous comments by DT that encouraged a protest and did nothing to stop any violence. He even refused to call out the National Guard, it took the VP to do this and doing this he broke chain of command and yet they still acted.

AGAIN Don,
30min is all it takes to move 2km Don.

AGAIN Don,
- His speech was 12:39,
- 1pm a crowd already was causing minor problems and challenging security at the Capitol and shortly after joined by Trump's crowd (as documented).
- 2pm they entered the building
- 3:04pm VP called for National Guard
- 3:30pm National guard movements was being expitited.
- etc
- etc
- etc
- At around 5:40 p.m., the [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Sergeant at Arms[/font][/size][/color] announced that the Capitol had been secured

AGAIN Don,
So much four your 1h comment to restore order.

AGAIN Don,
December 18, Trump announced on Twitter, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!

From that point on there was a large country wide movement of people towards the Capitol,
- Many posting publicly they intended to do what they did.
- Some made and took bombs
- Some armed
- They built a Gallows
- They turned up with ladders
- They turned up with dozens of plastic hand cuffs

At no time Trump made any steps to stop it, he didn't even call in the National Guard when told the Capitol was taken over.

AGAIN Don
If these people had won, it would be called a coup.

AGAIN Don
Please tell me how other Coup's are incited?

AGAIN Don
why are you defending your buffoon of a namesake?
Nothing you say in any way proves your point.

Can't drive in the zone from the Trump speech to the Congressional building - 45-60 minutes walking.

How exactly was Viking man going to WIN the keys to the nuclear button - hmm?

Nah sorry, you're just another cry-baby who is craving something to talk about. This was a nothing event. NEXT!
don_dunstan
Yep, here is the next, now it's your job to try and convince us here that there WEREN'T some far right extremists that stormed the building, because the fact is, there were!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The fact is that some of those people that stormed the Capitol Building were far right wing extremists intent on creating havoc and carnage, why else were IED'S found on the premises, one person was pictured in the chamber itself with full tactical gear on.
lsrailfan
Yeah its just like the burning of the Reichstag isn't it.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Nah sorry, you're just another cry-baby who is craving something to talk about. This was a nothing event. NEXT!
"don_dunstan"
If this was a nothing event, I suppose that the Vietnam war was just an incidental unpleasantness.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Nothing you say in any way proves your point.

Can't drive in the zone from the Trump speech to the Congressional building - 45-60 minutes walking.

How exactly was Viking man going to WIN the keys to the nuclear button - hmm?

Nah sorry, you're just another cry-baby who is craving something to talk about. This was a nothing event. NEXT!
don_dunstan
Any post from Don, another pile of BS

"Trump, who had spent previous weeks promoting the "Saving America" rally,[color=#0b0080][307][/color] was "initially pleased" when his supporters breached the Capitol and refused to intercede,[color=#0b0080][308][/color] but also "expressed disgust on aesthetic grounds" over the "low class" appearance of the supporters involved in the rioting.

Senator [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Ben Sasse[/font][/size][/color] (R-[color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]NE[/font][/size][/color]) said that senior White House officials told him that Trump was "delighted" to hear that rioters were entering the Capitol.[color=#0b0080][310][/color]"

So he
- promoted the rally
- happy to see it proceed
- was pi$$ed off it was only the dimwit rednecks that turned up, ie his support base are nothing more than mostly uneducated hicks.


"Staffers reported that Trump had been "impossible to talk to throughout the day," and that his inability to deal with his election loss and displeasure that his supporters were unsuccessful in overturning the result by force had, according to one staffer, made Trump "out of his mind."[color=#0b0080][311][/color] Concerned that Trump may have committed [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]treason[/font][/size][/color] through his actions, [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]White House Counsel[/font][/size][/color] [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Pat Cipollone[/font][/size][/color] reportedly advised administration officials to avoid contact with Trump and ignore any illegal orders that could further incite the storming to limit their prosecutorial liability under the [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]Sedition Act of 1918[/font][/size][/color].

The rioters had made plans that included abducting and killing senior politicians, including Vice President Pence and Speaker Pelosi. Several rioters said they were seeking to hang Pence as a "traitor."[color=#0b0080][54][/color] Rioters were heard chanting "Hang Mike Pence."[color=#0b0080][290]"[/color]

AGAIN DON
So his own people had acknowledged what he did was wrong so much so they were concerned he may have actually committed Treason and indeed had the rioters been more successful in their goal it would be.  Which would lead Joe Bidden with a moral issue of whether to ban Capital Punishment or not as Treason in the US is still a Capital offense.

AGAIN DON
On the distance between the speech and Capitol building, Don, get a bloody map! Its not even 2km.

AGAIN DON
Who gives a $hit what Biden is going to do as President, as we said before this thread is about the Buffoon hero Trump.

This so called "nothing event" of yours (your most stupid comment today on this topic after not understanding the basics of distance) included the death of one misguided individual placing her loyalties at a man who doesn't give a crap about her death and one police officer doing his job plus 15 other police offices hit on the head with pipes and fire extinguishers.

"Pelosi, the House speaker, had the flags at the Capitol lowered to [color=#0b0080][size=2][font=sans-serif]half-staff[/font][/size][/color] in Sicknick's honor.[color=#0b0080][259][/color][color=#0b0080][260][/color] Trump initially declined to lower flags at the White House or other federal buildings under his control, before relenting on Sunday.[color=#0b0080][261][/color][color=#0b0080][262][/color][color=#0b0080][263][/color] Trump did not offer condolences to Sicknick's family, but Biden, Pence and Pelosi each did.[color=#0b0080][259][/color][color=#0b0080][264]"[/color]

So AGAIN DON, please tell us how DT can be so innocent and yet refuses to acknowledge the police officers death or even pass on a message to his family when every one else did?  That Hero of yours Don is nothing more than a self interest coward and doesn't give a crap about the people who put him there, in another country he would be a dictator!

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