Lilydale station question

 
  John Chief Commissioner

Hi Everyone

My first posting from the U.K.

At Lilydale station with the viaduct/fly over being installed,is the through link to Healesville now totally out of the question?

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The new elevated track at Lilydale will have no impact on any future extension past Lilydale towards Coldstream. There will still be ground level stabling sidings past the station as with now. If the line to Coldstream is to be re-activated (there were plans a while back, these plans as far as I know are currently off the table) the current works shouldn't be an impediment.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
One of the current stabling tracks, now baulked prior to Beresford Road, originally formed the line towards Healesville.  It would be a matter of re-connecting any new track, although the LX at Beresford Road, and the subsequent rail trail, could present problems.

(In other words, forget it.)
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
One of the current stabling tracks, now baulked prior to Beresford Road, originally formed the line towards Healesville.  It would be a matter of re-connecting any new track, although the LX at Beresford Road, and the subsequent rail trail, could present problems.

(In other words, forget it.)
Lad_Porter
A rail trail is just concrete and gravel. If a rail trail has been built, it probably means that the original rail formation would have to be built from the ground up anyway - and in the process, you'd probably upgrade the rail trail to a proper sealed path as well. They pose no problems for rail.

The biggest barrier for extending the Lillydale line is why would you? Is that fabled maintenance facility really needed? With the Burnley and Clifton Hill groups both being only operated by X'Trapolis, they only need to be filtered through the one maintenance facility. The newest X'Traps are likely to be with us for 30 years so any extra maintenance capacity is a long way away from an urgent issue.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
The original question was not so much about "why would you" as just "could it be done, in a physical sense?".  In my opinion, once a line has been rail-trailed then that's the end of it regarding any future return of a rail service.  Restoration of a "through link to Healesville" raises a whole new set of other impossibilities.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Technically it would be possible to head to Healsville. The rail reserve is still under VicTrack's (State) control. The line to Warburton has been disposed of.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Technically it would be possible to head to Healsville. The rail reserve is still under VicTrack's (State) control. The line to Warburton has been disposed of.
RustyRick

Getting right off track, how does the Warburton rail trail exist if the land has been sold off. Through the goodness of the landowners hearts Question

Mike.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Do the X'Traps still run to Craigieburn for heavy maintenance? If so then the proposed facility at Lilydale should be built sooner rather than later to take a bit of pressure off that facility as frequencies increase.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Technically it would be possible to head to Healsville. The rail reserve is still under VicTrack's (State) control. The line to Warburton has been disposed of.

Getting right off track, how does the Warburton rail trail exist if the land has been sold off. Through the goodness of the landowners hearts Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
From my, limited, knowledge the Warby trail is still all crown land with a portion in Lilydale leased to the Mt Lilydale Mercy College. This is the only part that is not available as part of the trail, IIRC, largely due to the college basically refusing to give the land back. There is some point to their argument that a school shouldn't have a public access go through the middle of their playing fields but they don't own the land they're using.

Neil
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Managed by Yarra Ranges Council.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Do the X'Traps still run to Craigieburn for heavy maintenance? If so then the proposed facility at Lilydale should be built sooner rather than later to take a bit of pressure off that facility as frequencies increase.
railblogger
The proposed facility was at Coldstream, where there is suitable land available, not at Lilydale where there is not.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Technically it would be possible to head to Healsville. The rail reserve is still under VicTrack's (State) control. The line to Warburton has been disposed of.

Getting right off track, how does the Warburton rail trail exist if the land has been sold off. Through the goodness of the landowners hearts Question

Mike.
From my, limited, knowledge the Warby trail is still all crown land with a portion in Lilydale leased to the Mt Lilydale Mercy College. This is the only part that is not available as part of the trail, IIRC, largely due to the college basically refusing to give the land back. There is some point to their argument that a school shouldn't have a public access go through the middle of their playing fields but they don't own the land they're using.

Neil
ngarner
On the Mapshare website it's shown as a Public Park and Recreation Zone in the planning scheme. So as Neil stated it's Crown Land, just not for rail purposes.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I always thought one of the key advantages of re-purposing former railway alignments into rail-trails was that it preserved the rail corridor for public use, giving the land a new lease on life. As opposed to selling the land off to private interests, in which case it will never serve the public again.

In that case, if the need does arise in the future, then the previous corridor is still in place and only the rail infrastructure itself will be required.

As this line was last used in the early 1990s and then only as far as Coldstream, the rail infrastructure would need to be completely renewed anyway if the line were to be resurrected, whether there was a rail-trail there or not.

I don't think a rail-trail would take precedence over a new railway line.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Recently trainbrain posted about a giant photo of Lilydale from around 1920 which is at Lilydale Market.
The post was in the level crossings thread, but I think it's more appropriate to respond to it here.
I went there today and took a few photos of it.

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTW8a

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTk5D

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTk39



https://flic.kr/p/2kpPwg1

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTjoi

https://flic.kr/p/2kpPw8W
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Recently trainbrain posted about a giant photo of Lilydale from around 1920 which is at Lilydale Market.
The post was in the level crossings thread, but I think it's more appropriate to respond to it here.
I went there today and took a few photos of it.

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTW8a

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTk5D

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTk39



https://flic.kr/p/2kpPwg1

https://flic.kr/p/2kpTjoi

https://flic.kr/p/2kpPw8W
Gauntlet
good photos, well done, I have lived in the area most of my life, and this is obe of the vest scenes I can recall, you need to see it close up, something magical about the Yarra Valley..................
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Do the X'Traps still run to Craigieburn for heavy maintenance? If so then the proposed facility at Lilydale should be built sooner rather than later to take a bit of pressure off that facility as frequencies increase.
The proposed facility was at Coldstream, where there is suitable land available, not at Lilydale where there is not.
Lad_Porter
Nevertheless I think it will have to be built some day.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Locations like Pakenham East, Wyndham Vale, Calder Park and Maddingley show that when space is needed for stabling or maintenance then buying up land and building new facilities is no barrier to the Government.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Are there any examples, in Victoria or elsewhere, of where a rail trail has had its former rail service re-instated?  If so, how was it done?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

The original image is from the SLV and can be downloaded http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/64919 Go for the 35 MB TIFF file Smile

The image is taken sometime between November 1913 and June 1915 - probably around the beginning of 1914. The provision of the back platform and storage tracks has been been completed as shown by the new signal box and the lower arms on the bracket post near the box. The new (current) station building on the island platform has not been commenced - the old c1888 building is still in use - but the 30 June 1915 Annual Report notes that it had been completed. Note the rake of trucks in the Back Platform Rd between the platform and the level crossing, and the large number of buildings on the platform. I suspect that the one on the far left is a temporary station building and that demolition is just about to start on the middle two buildings in preparation for construction of the new station building.
  Faredodger Deputy Commissioner

Location: Hiding anywhere the ticket inspectors can't see me
Was the middle one demolished?  I thought that was the one that was moved to Yarra Junction.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Are there any examples, in Victoria or elsewhere, of where a rail trail has had its former rail service re-instated?  If so, how was it done?
Lad_Porter

Not that I can think of, but I also can't think of any that anyone's actually realistically wanted to reopen in the first place.

So the question should really be "Has a rail trail actually stopped a line from being reopened when circumstances arose?"

A future candidate is Thomson-Erica, where the Walhalla railway extension will (in theory) be rebuilt on what is currently a railtrail.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Hi Everyone

My first posting from the U.K.

At Lilydale station with the viaduct/fly over being installed,is the through link to Healesville now totally out of the question?
John

To answer the OP - through services to Healesville are pretty much out of the question, but not because of the viaduct (rather, it's a question of economics etc).

But the viaduct will continue over the Maroondah Hwy into the old Lilydale station yard, so there is the possibility of future through-services, probably realistically only as far as Coldstream though.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Are there any examples, in Victoria or elsewhere, of where a rail trail has had its former rail service re-instated?  If so, how was it done?

Not that I can think of, but I also can't think of any that anyone's actually realistically wanted to reopen in the first place.

So the question should really be "Has a rail trail actually stopped a line from being reopened when circumstances arose?"

A future candidate is Thomson-Erica, where the Walhalla railway extension will (in theory) be rebuilt on what is currently a railtrail.
Adogs
Or you may have the opposite situation with stage 2 of the Yarra Valley Trail, where the trail (not yet built) will co-exist at some points with the YVTR (partly operational) between Yarra Glen and Healesville.  (Again, "in theory").  View the map of stage 2:

https://www.rideyarraranges.com.au/yarra-valley-trail/
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
No reason a rail trail can’t be relocated to a spot off the formation if required. It only takes money...
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria

A future candidate is Thomson-Erica, where the Walhalla railway extension will (in theory) be rebuilt on what is currently a railtrail.
Adogs
In a similar vein was there a walking track along the Puffing Billy formation between Lakeside and Gembrook that was removed when they extended the track back to Gembrook in the 1990s?

I never saw this myself but a recall a walking track being shown in an old Melway edition.

Ross

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