Hurstbridge Line Upgrade Stage 2

 
  3088D Station Master

Residents in the area served by Greensborough station have been receiving the ‘New Greensborough Station Precinct’ leaflet. There is some detail there, but not much more than the LXRP website. The map is a bit clearer because it’s large, but that visual clarity reveals no extra detail of the project. It seems that the electrical sub-station building has relocated from the roadside to an unidentified “station facilities” building between the car park and the tracks, and another unidentified structure is indicated in the car park entry opposite Pope Place. Bike hoops are indicated on the other side of the eastern-most entry where car parks exist currently. The southern drop-off zone will now be on Para Road, rather than the (undesignated) one in the curved car park away from the street, and a small one on the north side off Poulter Avenue. On which, I can see this is might be a disaster. There is room only for one car in the drop-off zone near Poulter Avenue which tells me that the planners have never seen the queue of cars dropping passengers there in the morning peak. The free-for-all will continue as it is; they’ve not resolved that problem. It could work as a one-way system, but the two arrows rather tend to suggest bio-directional.

Car parking seems to be greatly diminished; currently there are about 200 spots (WikiPedia states 212, probably taken from here) including the separate part up near the road bridge in Main Street. This will be reduced to 100. “Planning is underway for 100 car parking spaces at Greensborough…Sixty car parks will be impacted by the changes…” What on earth does “impacted” mean? Can’t they say lost, removed or even exterminated? The loss is significant. The great cause for rejoicing is that Watsonia will get more parking. The message is if you can’t find a park at Greensborough go up to the thieves paradise of Watsonia station car park. It eludes me how a loss of parking at Greensborough can be “offset” by an increased number at Watsonia. This bit of PR was written by an engineer not a train user. Car parking spots will be lost to provide for motor bike spaces, pushbike hoops, and drop-off zones and other construction needs. A new Parkiteer bike shelter will accommodate 26 bikes, which may or may not be the same size as now.

The approximately 50 car spots in the curved car park off Para Road are not marked on the new plan and presumably will be removed. There is no indication what use that road will have. Indeed, it doesn’t need to be there at all unless it’s a VicRoads or council property. Imaginative planners would have used that bit to locate the platforms closer to Para Road - or even build over it - to flatten the curve of the track but no, they’ve left it.

The main problem with the design is that the new station will be in the same footprint as the old, give or take. Platform 2 will be moved up to be almost opposite platform 1. This means that no attempt has been made to integrate the awful (absent?) bus connections in the area by improving station access to Main Street. Instead, “bus facilities around the station precinct will also be improved”, a statement which is meaningless in itself, but indicates that the stops will have some form up upgrade in the location they occupy currently. The disconnection and mess will continue.

In summary, the station building is being modernised and upgraded, but nothing more is being done to address the problems that exist now and will exist for another fifty years until the next refit. The little community consultation we enjoyed has been ignored. The LXRP had this plan all along. They just wanted to know what colour it should be. As the brochure says, the new station will meet modern design standards for accessibility and mobility, but it is still in the wrong position.

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  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Every 20 minutes from Hurstbridge?  Don't tell ZH ......
Lad_Porter
You mean, don't tell the Burnley group. Laughing
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think he means don't tell the Sunbury residents...
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
A couple of questions:

1.  The section Montmorency-Eltham remains single track, with the timber trestle remaining in use for the additional bi-directional traffic?

2.  What happens at Wattle Glen?  Do the duplicated tracks merge on the Up side of the station, with the station itself remaining unmodified?
  3088D Station Master

A couple of questions:

1.  The section Montmorency-Eltham remains single track, with the timber trestle remaining in use for the additional bi-directional traffic?

2.  What happens at Wattle Glen?  Do the duplicated tracks merge on the Up side of the station, with the station itself remaining unmodified?
Lad_Porter
I've been looking for more detail also and not found much, but the maps released for the work show an incomplete duplication for both of these sections.

After Monty station the duplication will continue to about Sherbourne Road overpass. An inexpert eye sees that the rail bridge might be able to accommodate new duplicated tracks. After that point however it will be single track all the way down to Eltham.

The single line into Diamond Creek station will be duplicated from the station down to just beyond Ellis Cottage Reserve, which seems to be about 2/3 of the way to Wattle Glen station.

This page has a map and description of works for Diamond Creek station. Wattle Glen station is not being changed.
  bevans Site Admin
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
As posted two pages back and two years ago, the Sherbourne Road abutments have had provision for two tracks for over three decades now so all that is needed there is to span the road. That means the duplication can continue closer to the trestle with little extra work required now.

Neil
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
I've think they've gone for the minimal amount of duplication to get the line to reach the service standard they want, hence have purposely skipped out on doing the whole thing to save dollars.

As trumpeted on the LXRA page, a targeted 10 minute service to Eltham would only require duplication someway past Montmorency to make it reliable enough to meet the needs (to Metro's punctuality requirements anyway).


Similarly further out: there is no plan to run trains more than once every 20 mins each way between Eltham and Hurstbridge, which only requires some duplication in the middle of that span to allow trains to pass - ie. between Diamond Creek and Wattle Glen.

Would it improve reliability to duplicate more? Certainly yes - but the returns are diminishing much beyond what they are planning.
  3088D Station Master

As posted two pages back and two years ago, the Sherbourne Road abutments have had provision for two tracks for over three decades now so all that is needed there is to span the road. That means the duplication can continue closer to the trestle with little extra work required now.

Neil
ngarner

It also neatly sidesteps a debate about the trestle bridge itself. On many occasions there has been a discussion about options for that part of the line in a future duplication, including demolishing the trestle bridge. Locals threatened to, well, throw themselves under a train if that was attempted, so the idea was put in the Too Hard basket.

So the old bridge remains, as does the walking pace speed of trains along it.
  Upven Junior Train Controller

Give it enough time and the trestle bridge will simply suffer the same fate as so many others in this hot dry country.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently the upgrade comes with a bill of $530 million.  I have serious concerns about value for money...

Who is on the take?
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Apparently the upgrade comes with a bill of $530 million.  I have serious concerns about value for money...

Who is on the take?
Carnot
Nobody's on the take, it's simply the contractors applying a multiplier to the price they would have charged if they were bidding for a private company. Government contracts also come with free additional money when the inevitable "cost blowouts" hit.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Much as the trestle bridge is of considerable aesthetic and historical appeal, it is a bit wonky these days - just try standing under it when a train passes over.  If it remains in use once there are more frequent trains, then it's going to require extensive and expensive ongoing maintenance, to be performed by an ever decreasing number of skilled tradespeople, not to mention "you can't get the wood, you know ...."

PBR to the rescue?
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

time to dismantle and replace the trestle bridge with a new modern design to fit 2 tracks.. for those choochoo gunzels, I am sure some tourist rail will erct it somewhere else.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Apparently the upgrade comes with a bill of $530 million.  I have serious concerns about value for money...

Who is on the take?
Carnot
The Cranbourne duplication project comes at $750 million so, I don't know how they're coming up with these figures.

Do you think having multiple projects all happening at once, is pushing the prices up as well?
  Upven Junior Train Controller

Apparently the upgrade comes with a bill of $530 million.  I have serious concerns about value for money...

Who is on the take?
The Cranbourne duplication project comes at $750 million so, I don't know how they're coming up with these figures.

Do you think having multiple projects all happening at once, is pushing the prices up as well?
True Believers
The pool of employees you would assume, would grow with the increased demand. There's only ever going to be more projects to do if the population keeps growing endlessly. The sad reality is, the Government doesn't really care that much about what it spends. 1,567 public servants now earn an average of $206,559 a year.  $96,470,000 was spent alone on "transport" executive salaries in the 2020 financial year alone. There are 410 executives working in the department of Transport so there's a lot of bloat.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/executive-pay-in-state-s-major-departments-jumps-annual-reports-show-20201029-p569vo.html

Short answer is, there is a lot of bloat and little care for the cost.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
time to dismantle and replace the trestle bridge with a new modern design to fit 2 tracks.. for those choochoo gunzels, I am sure some tourist rail will erct it somewhere else.
trainbrain
Better still: build new twin-track bridge next to the current trestle bridge and convert the trestle bridge into a shared pathway.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

time to dismantle and replace the trestle bridge with a new modern design to fit 2 tracks.. for those choochoo gunzels, I am sure some tourist rail will erct it somewhere else.
Better still: build new twin-track bridge next to the current trestle bridge and convert the trestle bridge into a shared pathway.
railblogger
Health and safety would probably deem it unsafe for pedestrians/cyclists due to poor structural integrity Rolling Eyes.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
time to dismantle and replace the trestle bridge with a new modern design to fit 2 tracks.. for those choochoo gunzels, I am sure some tourist rail will erct it somewhere else.
Better still: build new twin-track bridge next to the current trestle bridge and convert the trestle bridge into a shared pathway.
Health and safety would probably deem it unsafe for pedestrians/cyclists due to poor structural integrity Rolling Eyes.
Djebel
If it can carry heavy trains, it could certainly carry pedestrians and cyclists safely, perhaps with a bit of beefing up and guard rails.  Similar to Kilcunda.

The issue there would be opposition from the locals for a new bridge.  It's a nice little bit of bushland/parkland through there, construction would be very disruptive.  And any new bridge would have to be at a safe distance from the old one, so where to put it?
  3088D Station Master

Work is underway at Montmorency and Greensborough stations. The former has most of the car park closed for some digging work. I saw a deep trench being cut across the eastern part of the carpark today. Further east at the end of the station precinct, where Mountain View Road bridge crosses the line, a team of engineers has made some markings on the road for some future work.

Up the line in Greensborough a site in Para Road is being populated with shipping containers and portaloos. This was formerly a vacant block but now seems to be a worksite for the duplication work to come. The whole of Para Road from the roundabout at the Sherbourne Road roundabout to the bridge near the heated pool has been reduced to 40km and has been for a fortnight. I wonder if this will remain at 40km for the duration of the duplication?. I’ve not been able to rubberneck to see what is going on but today  when I was halted by a worker with a high viz vest and a stop sign could see that the site was being provisioned for some serious work.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Work is underway at Montmorency and Greensborough stations. The former has most of the car park closed for some digging work. I saw a deep trench being cut across the eastern part of the carpark today. Further east at the end of the station precinct, where Mountain View Road bridge crosses the line, a team of engineers has made some markings on the road for some future work.

Up the line in Greensborough a site in Para Road is being populated with shipping containers and portaloos. This was formerly a vacant block but now seems to be a worksite for the duplication work to come. The whole of Para Road from the roundabout at the Sherbourne Road roundabout to the bridge near the heated pool has been reduced to 40km and has been for a fortnight. I wonder if this will remain at 40km for the duration of the duplication?. I’ve not been able to rubberneck to see what is going on but today  when I was halted by a worker with a high viz vest and a stop sign could see that the site was being provisioned for some serious work.
3088D
Second bridge over Plenty River and earthwork for duplication is going to take some doing, there will lots happening there in the next while I imagine.
  3088D Station Master

Work is underway at Montmorency and Greensborough stations. The former has most of the car park closed for some digging work. I saw a deep trench being cut across the eastern part of the carpark today. Further east at the end of the station precinct, where Mountain View Road bridge crosses the line, a team of engineers has made some markings on the road for some future work.

Up the line in Greensborough a site in Para Road is being populated with shipping containers and portaloos. This was formerly a vacant block but now seems to be a worksite for the duplication work to come. The whole of Para Road from the roundabout at the Sherbourne Road roundabout to the bridge near the heated pool has been reduced to 40km and has been for a fortnight. I wonder if this will remain at 40km for the duration of the duplication?. I’ve not been able to rubberneck to see what is going on but today  when I was halted by a worker with a high viz vest and a stop sign could see that the site was being provisioned for some serious work.
Second bridge over Plenty River and earthwork for duplication is going to take some doing, there will lots happening there in the next while I imagine.
LeroyW

The Project's website has been updated today with details of the work at Greensborough, Monty, and Diamond Creek. On the main page they have a map which reminded me that the Mountain View Road bridge over the tracks to the east of Monty station will be demolished and replaced with a wider one, as will the rail bridge over the Plenty River just down from Greensbrough station. The Sherbourne Road bridge seems not to be in need of adjustment, which is fortunate.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
An alliance of Acciona, Coleman Rail, and WSP has been awarded a contract for infrastructure works as part of the A$530m Hurstbridge Line Duplication project on the Metro Trains Melbourne network. This includes signalling, power and infrastructure upgrading works, the construction of stations in Greensborough and Montmorency, and doubling around 3 km of track between the sites and 1∙5 km between Diamond Creek and Wattle Glen. Completion is planned for 2022.
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  Tii Locomotive Driver

The news report is stating trains every 6.5 minutes but the line where I am is already at capacity and the trains are already full as you get between Heidelberg and Clifton Hill.

There is also mention of the upgrade at Clifton Hill Junction which would mean what?
bevans
Well after nearly 3 years, are we any closer to knowing if anything at all is planned yet? Or is it another announcement with no follow up?

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