The corona virus COVID-19

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Let's try this one again, so is COVID-19 the same as the flu, of course not, what bullldust! but Don has failed to respond to my earlier link in the Joe Biden thread about it, so here it is again, - Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu (healthline.com), so, is it?!
Oh, sorry, I didn't realise that you were yet another one of those Railpagers hanging on my every word and desperately waiting for me to respond to your delusional fallacies.

Here's an article that perfectly counters your own link - COVID19 is indeed just another flu - MedPage Today.
don_dunstan

In the fine print at the bottom of the representative from SA's link to 'Medpage'.

The material on this site is for informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment provided by a qualified health care provider.
© 2021 MedPage Today, LLC. All rights reserved. Medpage Today is among the federally registered trademarks of MedPage Today, LLC and may not be used by third parties without explicit permission.

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Jeez Vinelander, I'm glad you took the trouble to read the fine print.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Jeez Vinelander, I'm glad you took the trouble to read the fine print.
Valvegear
Does 'for informational purposes only' mean the same as plain old fashioned 'for information only'? Rhetorical question only!
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

don_dunstan
No commentary from DD, excellent.
If that’s your opinion, don’t get the jab.
End of.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
don_dunstan
Former is correct, former over 9 years ago.

Fact Checker another BS post by Don.

on October 16, Yeadon claimed that the "the susceptible population (in the UK) is now sufficiently depleted and the immune population sufficiently large that there will not be another large, national scale outbreak of COVID-19."

Verdict: Well that was clearly incorrect

"Limited, regional outbreaks will be self-limiting and the pandemic is effectively over," Yeadon wrote.

Verdict: Well that was clearly incorrect


Source : https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/health/ex-pfizer-vice-presidents-claim-covid-is-effectively-over-termed-false

After drugmaker Pfizer's former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy and Respiratory Michael Yeadon claimed that "the pandemic is fundamentally over in the UK," health fact-checker Health Feedback termed his assertions "false".

Ok back to reality Don
- Did you or are your kids get vaccinated against Measles, Mumps, Chickenpox etc?

Why do so, you don't know you will die from it?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So he was wrong about the pandemic coming back in the UK - so what? Does it make his assertion that a vaccine that hasn't been tested extensively on human subjects isn't safe wrong?

Your 'fact checker' is rubbish, you don't actually debunk anything - you go off on tangents unrelated to what's being discussed.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

So he was wrong about the pandemic coming back in the UK - so what? Does it make his assertion that a vaccine that hasn't been tested extensively on human subjects isn't safe wrong?
don_dunstan
No.  The fact the vaccines have been extensively tested in human subjects in properly conducted double blind trials means he's wrong.

He's also wrong about "you don't vaccinate people not at risk of a disease".  Males as well as females now get the HPV vaccine in Australia, that protects against HPV infection, that in turn protects against cervical cancer, something very few men get.

Mass vaccination is done to protect an entire population, not just specific individuals in that population.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Talking to my GP yesterday, it seems that almost all of the Australian population will get the dodgy AstraZeneca vaccine in lieu of the more effective brands.
Note some politicians in the front row for the ' good stuff'.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-pfizer-employee-quotes-mike-yeadon-covid-19-vaccine-5311935-Dec2020/

Seems Don has posted utter tripe once more, somebody else's utter tripe, shamelessly, and thinks that we should all down tools and discuss it in depth and then accept it merely because he, Don Dunstan, posted it. The hubris of the man knows no limit.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Very suspicious as to why we can't get Гам-КОВИД-Вак.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

All gone very quiet for the Avalon quantine proposal
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Very suspicious as to why we can't get Гам-КОВИД-Вак.
billybaxter
Has the manufacturer submitted it to the TGA for approval?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So he was wrong about the pandemic coming back in the UK - so what? Does it make his assertion that a vaccine that hasn't been tested extensively on human subjects isn't safe wrong?

Your 'fact checker' is rubbish, you don't actually debunk anything - you go off on tangents unrelated to what's being discussed.
don_dunstan
As soon as someone with supposedly such high medical credentials gets such a basic thing wrong, their entire statement is completely irrelevant as has been proven.

Most of the vaccines have been now used on 10M's of people, a number of the vaccines including all the Chinese (as I understand it) are using decades old technology using same approach as the flu vaccine. i.e. dead piece of the virus. With the exception of the RNA vaccines, none are new by any shot with development dating back to SARS-1 at least.

Ironically while people like you smeg and whine about taking "untested" vaccines, guess which one most of you prefer to take, Pfizer, one of the newest and least technologies on the market.

My "Fact Checker" is simply responding to your more often than not unsubstantiated comments that you are claim are true and rarely have any reference of substance. I notice you rarely challenge whats posted so clearly there is alot of Fact. If I go off on tangents I'd hate to think what you call what you do. As soon as you are cornered, you are off usually leading with a personal attack to help disguise your retreat by calling names or making assertions. Yes we are all entitled to an opinion and friendly discussion.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
don_dunstan
Wow that was a real zinger wasn't it, put us all in our place Rolling EyesRolling Eyes
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Only three Covid vaccines have been submitted for approval by the TGA; AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson).

Why are we not being offered the Chinese, Indian or Russian developed vaccines? Because they have not made them available to us.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Only three Covid vaccines have been submitted for approval by the TGA; AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson).

Why are we not being offered the Chinese, Indian or Russian developed vaccines? Because they have not made them available to us.
Aaron
Have we sought any others apart from the above three (AstraZ, Pfizer and J&J)? What about Moderna which is supposed to be ~95% effective?
Daughter in the US has already had her first Moderna shot.
One could be forgiven for thinking that we are fixated on AstraZeneca because it is cheap and we can make it. Better than nothing at the time but we should be pursuing the best available.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Only three Covid vaccines have been submitted for approval by the TGA; AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson).

Why are we not being offered the Chinese, Indian or Russian developed vaccines? Because they have not made them available to us.
Aaron

https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

Also Novavax - which is still in phase 3 trials, but (so I've read) showing similar performance to Pfeizer/Moderna ... but they said that about AZ too.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Only three Covid vaccines have been submitted for approval by the TGA; AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Janssen (Johnson and Johnson).

Why are we not being offered the Chinese, Indian or Russian developed vaccines? Because they have not made them available to us.

https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccines-undergoing-evaluation

Also Novavax - which is still in phase 3 trials, but (so I've read) showing similar performance to Pfeizer/Moderna ... but they said that about AZ too.
djf01

Anyone seriously interested in this topic should look through this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_gnD5LLa8&t=1666s
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am not convinced that Novavax has been submitted to the TGA yet, I know it is spoken about as being on the horizon, but I have not seen that the submission is with the TGA yet.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I am not convinced that Novavax has been submitted to the TGA yet, I know it is spoken about as being on the horizon, but I have not seen that the submission is with the TGA yet.
Aaron

I heard that it was under review by the TGA from their rep on Cronacast this morning.  If you follow the link I posted, it's in the list of COVID-19 vaccines the TGA have had applications for on the TGA's web site.

Novavax hasn't completed it's phase 3 trials.  Pending the results, it's months away from approval.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
FYI, anti-vaxers are standing in every seat in the oncoming WA election in mid-March.
  allan Chief Commissioner

FYI, anti-vaxers are standing in every seat in the oncoming WA election in mid-March.
WimbledonW
Well, the Libs have already thrown in the towel, and it's right and proper to have an opposition....
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Two incidents and delays with age care vaccination Scomo seems to have got off unscathed given all the lead up publicity he fronted. Now if Andrews was PM Confused
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So he was wrong about the pandemic coming back in the UK - so what? Does it make his assertion that a vaccine that hasn't been tested extensively on human subjects isn't safe wrong?
No.  The fact the vaccines have been extensively tested in human subjects in properly conducted double blind trials means he's wrong.

He's also wrong about "you don't vaccinate people not at risk of a disease".  Males as well as females now get the HPV vaccine in Australia, that protects against HPV infection, that in turn protects against cervical cancer, something very few men get.

Mass vaccination is done to protect an entire population, not just specific individuals in that population.
djf01
So the entire population of Australia is at risk of COVID despite the fact that there's eighteen (count 'em) active cases of COVID19 in the whole of the nation?

Yeah that's a good reason to give everyone a vaccine isn't it - not approved for use with children I should remind you. Meanwhile there's a growing body of evidence that the existing (but not patented) drugs of HCL and Ivermectin are effective at treating and preventing COVID19 - Biznews;

Professor Eli Schwarz is an Israeli tropical disease expert, who says he has new proof that a drug used to fight parasites in third world countries, could help reduce the length of infection for people who contract the coronavirus. Professor Schwartz, founder of the Centre for Travel Medicine and Tropical disease, has completed a clinical trial of the FDA-approved ivermectin:

"The bottom line is that actually it’s really acting well. It’s shortened the viral shedding period. Therefore, if we are going to adopt it, people can be isolated for a shorter time. And therefore, we think that it really can help to break the transmission chain."

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