Electric Vehicles (EV) Discussions

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I have to laugh at Aussies paying a giant premium for big V8 diesel Landcruisers before they go V6/hybrid:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/933794/2021-toyota-landcruiser-200-series-prices-surge-beyond-150000-as-supply-dries-up/
Yeah, friend in Sydney did the same. But to be fair he was switching from an Audi after finally realizing Audi's are a money pit. He was just thankful his wife stopped him buying his and her Audi's because she thought it looked "dorkish". So I don't think he was avoiding V6 hybrid, rather just buying similar to what he had in Dubai where he had the American Toyota big wagon, Sequoia.
RTT_Rules
Yeah, European 'quality' has often become a by-word for "My fancy European car lives on a tow-truck flatbed and workshop".

Incidentally, while some Hybrid vehicles (not the ones with a CVT) might make sense for "Going Outback with the Caravan on the back", there's always the bogie-man of batteries/fuel cells etc when fording a river, especially for pure EVs.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tim Pallas has just announced a specific tax for Electric Vehicles registered in Victoria.  Why?

Victoria is a state with one of the lowest uptakes of EV's in the country.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I have to laugh at Aussies paying a giant premium for big V8 diesel Landcruisers before they go V6/hybrid:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/933794/2021-toyota-landcruiser-200-series-prices-surge-beyond-150000-as-supply-dries-up/
Yeah, friend in Sydney did the same. But to be fair he was switching from an Audi after finally realizing Audi's are a money pit. He was just thankful his wife stopped him buying his and her Audi's because she thought it looked "dorkish". So I don't think he was avoiding V6 hybrid, rather just buying similar to what he had in Dubai where he had the American Toyota big wagon, Sequoia.
Yeah, European 'quality' has often become a by-word for "My fancy European car lives on a tow-truck flatbed and workshop".

Incidentally, while some Hybrid vehicles (not the ones with a CVT) might make sense for "Going Outback with the Caravan on the back", there's always the bogie-man of batteries/fuel cells etc when fording a river, especially for pure EVs.
Carnot
Look up car manufacturers maximum water immersion limits for ICe models, its not the picture most would think. Ford Ranger is I think around 800mm deep.

In the Rangers group in Dubai there is alot of debate about snorkels due to sand dust when dune bashing as Toyota has removed snorkel recommendation or something not sure on details because it encourages owners to swamp their vehicles deeper than the car engine LV electronics/management system will tolerate.

The fact that Toyota has sent the Landcruiser full hybrid tells me the water immersion isn't an issue compared to the current model. So yes, while there maybe an issue, don't assume their isn't one now and compare full ICE with Hybrid before making that choice. The battery is usually in the cabin anyway, so no wet feet, no wet battery.

if however you still feel the need to go full Leyland Brothers and semi submersible your car across the Jardine river (which now has a bridge) to get to get to the Cape, then you want something without a computer chip. Fun as it seems, I'll take the bridge with my $50k 2017 Ford Ranger Wildtrac.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Tim Pallas has just announced a specific tax for Electric Vehicles registered in Victoria.  Why?

Victoria is a state with one of the lowest uptakes of EV's in the country.
bevans
I understand the need to tax vehicles that don't use petrol/diesel/LPG, but I think EVs should be encouraged by government (all 3 levels). They can introduce their tax when there's a lot more of them on the road, i.e. when EVs cause a dent in fuel tax receipts.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Tim Pallas has just announced a specific tax for Electric Vehicles registered in Victoria.  Why?

Victoria is a state with one of the lowest uptakes of EV's in the country.
I understand the need to tax vehicles that don't use petrol/diesel/LPG, but I think EVs should be encouraged by government (all 3 levels). They can introduce their tax when there's a lot more of them on the road, i.e. when EVs cause a dent in fuel tax receipts.
Lockspike
The tax in Vic I'd be fine with if I had an EV, need to fair and right now if you can afford an EV you can afford $300/pa in road user charges. The interviewed driver's comments that its like taxing non-smokers is BS. You still use the road, it needs to be paid for which is what road excise is all about. However where this falls over is the PHEV as how does the govt know which energy source its using?

The double whammy in all this for EV / PHEV is not that they are not paying fuel excise for road use, but many don't even pay GST on their fuel consumption if they mostly charge at home on their home solar.

The govt has bigger problems that EV's in this regard. The number of hybrids hitting the road as well as just general reduced fuel consumption per km by ICE I think has almost flat lined fuel tax revenue. Its about time the whole system is changed because it become a bigger joke. Move the entire car fleet to distance based charging and for older cars where speedo's are not reliable or secure, then fixed road charge as they won't be driven that much anyway and decreasing in number over time.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Today the government has introduced its tax on electric vehicles into parliament. This will make Victoria the only government in the world making electric vehicles even more expensive.

With the government struggling to get support to push its EV tax through parliament, now is the perfect time to pressure MPs who have not yet said they will block the tax.

Brian, can you help block this retrograde tax by sending a message to the cross-bench?

Instead of this tax, the Greens have a positive plan to make it more affordable to switch to electric vehicles.

We need to be making it easier and cheaper for us all to make the switch to electric vehicles, so we can tackle the climate crisis, head on!
That’s why governments around the world are already lowering the cost of electric vehicles and replacing their government fleets with cleaner electric vehicles.

Let’s show the members on the cross-bench that Victorians want them to block Labor's new tax on EVs.

Brian, can you email the cross-bench today!?

It’s not too late for Victoria to change course and like the ACT and governments around the world, we too want to see a plan to make it more affordable for Victorians to make the switch, and have a cleaner future!

We know we can create thousands of jobs in Victoria, while also preventing the climate crisis, which is why we must oppose this EV tax.

Thanks Brian.

The greens have been busy with a campaign today.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I think this EV tax is one of the better policies of the Vic ALP Govt.

The Greens are hypocrites for encouraging car use.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I think this EV tax is one of the better policies of the Vic ALP Govt.

The Greens are hypocrites for encouraging car use.
Carnot
Greens have finally realised that they need to play into the dumb "I must drive a car everywhere" mindset of half the population.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I think this EV tax is one of the better policies of the Vic ALP Govt.

The Greens are hypocrites for encouraging car use.
Greens have finally realised that they need to play into the dumb "I must drive a car everywhere" mindset of half the population.
speedemon08
You mean they are simply being realistic in that a even almost car-less society is not practical outside high density inner city developments.

If you go back in time in Australia's history of cars, cars enabled suburban and interurban development and expansion. Prior to cars you lived within walking distance of frequent PT. By and large this was small communities within a roughly half a mile circle along existing suburban railways corridors surrounded by farm land or bush and inner city town house type development. Without cars our cities would look like London and realistically this is the direction we are slowly headed anyway with population growth, but at least we have the option of a suburban living lifestyle, for now.

Edit:
Don't read above that we shouldn't continue to expand fixed PT and other like bikeways, but in built up areas, these take time and cost alot money, not helped when we were 20-30 years behind in PT investment 20 years years ago.

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