Gawler Rail Line Now Set To Close From Boxing Day Through Until April 2021

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 07 Dec 2020 11:07
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

The Gawler line could easily remain open while they put up the necessary equipment
northeast19
As first thoughts, yes I would agree installing OH I would thought not include a 3 - 4 month shut, however the questions to be asked are, what else are they doing? How much would the cost rise by keeping the line open?

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I love the comments on things being un-necessarily shutdown and busses doing a better job.

I remember when the Belair line was closed due to the Seaford line electrification and goodwood junction upgrade and seeing a women on the news comment the sub bus was more reliable and how she’d miss it lol.

I also remember one Easter the entertainment centre trams weren’t running beyond Adelaide train station because of track duplication under the Morphett st bridge. Less than 100 metres of track would take over 4 days.
Whilst in Melbourne they rebuilt an entire road with tram tracks and new stops over the same time period.

The Gawler line could easily remain open while they put up the necessary equipment
northeast19
I remember when the line to Sunbury was electrified, much of the work was completed at night and on weekends, with some shuts during the school holidays (tying in with Regional Rail Link works) plus a week-long shut for testing.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

You're not going to be able to grade separate a crossing without a single shutdown as you need to tie the new track into the existing one, test all the new infrastructure, then train enough drivers on the new section before you can run a regular service on it.
railblogger
South Road tram bridge had one weekend to connect the deviation and one weekend to reconnecct over the flyover. There were no property acquisitions and the corridor was even narrower than Hove
Looking at maps, by reducing roads and making them one way, a temporary track could be laid south of the existing. Hove station would be closed for months and the neighbouring properties might not be too happy. It can be done without significant property acquisition and I concede it would be challenging.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Back on the topic of GREP, has Alstom delivered any of the second batch of EMUs yet?

The reopening of Adelaide to Mawson Interchange is due a month from tomorrow, but no confirmation yet of what will be running on the line if it happens.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Back on the topic of GREP, has Alstom delivered any of the second batch of EMUs yet?

The reopening of Adelaide to Mawson Interchange is due a month from tomorrow, but no confirmation yet of what will be running on the line if it happens.
justapassenger
In an update presentation to the Public Works Committee by the then DPTI on 14th November 2019, reference was made to first delivery from the second batch in June 2021. This is the only mention of a specific delivery date I have seen.  The project webpage has consistently stated the delivery of trains would follow completion of the electrification work.  The latest PWC documents for the project are from the November 2019 hearing.

If the 12 new sets were to be delivered earlier, where could they be stabled?  Does Seaford have enough space for them all?  DEMUs have been going out to Seaford for Stabling/servicing?  Dry Creek has to accommodate the units that are currently not required for the Gawler services.  Also there has not been any signs of electrification within the Dry Creek depot.

Rapid progress in the overhead work has been evident since the start of the year.  Dry Creek Nth Yard to Parafield Gdns is is virtually ready for stringing.  This then leaves the sections from Cormack Rd to the N depot gate and from N Adelaide into ARS to be strung. My guess is that resumption to Mawson Lakes at end of April will be DEMUs as I can't see both stringing and energisation taking place by then.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Now closed till November! Due to rail supply issue apparently.
  splod Junior Train Controller

Location: Darwin, NT
Now closed till November! Due to rail supply issue apparently.
Halo
That's going to go down well with the punters out that way!

The next SA state election is set for March next year - I wonder if voters will be motivated by the impact of these delays and whether they'll see it as mismanagement that should be directed at the government?

Or are voters out that way already so red anyway that the Libs don't care and can afford to ignore them?
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

Almost a full year of an entire rail line shut.  Beyond incompetent.   Don't know of any place on earth where that would even be considered, yet alone actually implemented
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Well SA do have an expressway that was only one way, (although reversible) for quite a few years, until it was duplicated.
Now that was stupid, are you really surprised!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I love the comments on things being un-necessarily shutdown and busses doing a better job.

I remember when the Belair line was closed due to the Seaford line electrification and goodwood junction upgrade and seeing a women on the news comment the sub da bus was more reliable and how she’d miss it lol.

I also remember one Easter the entertainment centre trams weren’t running beyond Adelaide train station because of track duplication under the Morphett st bridge. Less than 100 metres of track would take over 4 days.
Whilst in Melbourne they rebuilt an entire road with tram tracks and new stops over the same time period.

The Gawler line could easily remain open while they put up the necessary equipment
I remember when the line to Sunbury was electrified, much of the work was completed at night and on weekends, with some shuts during the school holidays (tying in with Regional Rail Link works) plus a week-long shut for testing.
railblogger
The work hours used during the works could be a big factor.

Having crews working nights and weekends = high wage bill

Having crews working business days, like 8 hours a day 9 days a fortnight = the most economical wage bill

Oh yes they wouldn't care about the Inconvenience Inflicted on the public, just suck It up.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The work hours used during the works could be a big factor.

Having crews working nights and weekends = high wage bill

Having crews working business days, like 8 hours a day 9 days a fortnight = the most economical wage bill

Oh yes they wouldn't care about the Inconvenience Inflicted on the public, just suck It up.
Nightfire
And for the staff who work more when trains are running, it's a good opportunity to use up TOIL before it expires and has to be paid out at overtime rates.
  Brucetiki Station Master

Now closed till November! Due to rail supply issue apparently.
That's going to go down well with the punters out that way!

The next SA state election is set for March next year - I wonder if voters will be motivated by the impact of these delays and whether they'll see it as mismanagement that should be directed at the government?

Or are voters out that way already so red anyway that the Libs don't care and can afford to ignore them?
splod
Most of the Gawler line is deep red (Enfield, Port Adelaide, Playford, Ramsay, Elizabeth, and Taylor.

The only areas where there may be some political fallout would be the start of the line (Adelaide) and end of the line (Light).  Light has a strong Labor local MP in Tony Piccolo - if anything the delays will make him safer.  That leaves Adelaide - which is the only Liberal held seat on the line.  Given the line from Salisbury to Adelaide will be out for a good 15+ months by November, this could make Adelaide a little vulnerable for the Libs (if Labor play the, 'Libs are so bad they shut your train line down for over 15 months' card).
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Most of the Gawler line is deep red (Enfield, Port Adelaide, Playford, Ramsay, Elizabeth, and Taylor.
Brucetiki
So deeply red that even ALP governments don't need to chase votes there.

If they had a better history of holding their MPs accountable, the Rann/Weatherill government might have tried a bit harder with their false starts on Gawler line electrification.

The only areas where there may be some political fallout would be the start of the line (Adelaide) and end of the line (Light).  Light has a strong Labor local MP in Tony Piccolo - if anything the delays will make him safer.  That leaves Adelaide - which is the only Liberal held seat on the line.  Given the line from Salisbury to Adelaide will be out for a good 15+ months by November, this could make Adelaide a little vulnerable for the Libs (if Labor play the, 'Libs are so bad they shut your train line down for over 15 months' card).
Brucetiki
It is wildly optimistic to assume it will have any impact on Adelaide.

I'd bet that any impact of the GREP delays would only partially offset the own goal scored by Malinauskas when he announced he will bring the taxi races back to the parklands.

When the Noarlunga/Seaford line was subject to similar degrees of mismanagement in 2013-14, it made no impact whatsoever on the seven ALP held seats along the line. Five were retained, and the two that were lost (Bright and Mitchell) were already destined to be lost before the rail project delays ever started.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Most of the Gawler line is deep red (Enfield, Port Adelaide, Playford, Ramsay, Elizabeth, and Taylor.
So deeply red that even ALP governments don't need to chase votes there.

If they had a better history of holding their MPs accountable, the Rann/Weatherill government might have tried a bit harder with their false starts on Gawler line electrification.

The only areas where there may be some political fallout would be the start of the line (Adelaide) and end of the line (Light).  Light has a strong Labor local MP in Tony Piccolo - if anything the delays will make him safer.  That leaves Adelaide - which is the only Liberal held seat on the line.  Given the line from Salisbury to Adelaide will be out for a good 15+ months by November, this could make Adelaide a little vulnerable for the Libs (if Labor play the, 'Libs are so bad they shut your train line down for over 15 months' card).
It is wildly optimistic to assume it will have any impact on Adelaide.

I'd bet that any impact of the GREP delays would only partially offset the own goal scored by Malinauskas when he announced he will bring the taxi races back to the parklands.

When the Noarlunga/Seaford line was subject to similar degrees of mismanagement in 2013-14, it made no impact whatsoever on the seven ALP held seats along the line. Five were retained, and the two that were lost (Bright and Mitchell) were already destined to be lost before the rail project delays ever started.
justapassenger
I think the finishing of the South Road expressway (TWO WAY all day) was probably a factor, that was one of the dumbest ideas ever.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Anything happen since April? How far have we got done? Where did the substation end up?

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