Albury V/Line services after conversion?

 
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
So the SG Velocity's are still about a year away?  Do we actually know yet what we are going to get?
In the original announcement, I heard they will be 6 car sets and include two buffet modules?  
You might expect that a six car set would equal the seat numbers of the original well patronised,crowded, loco hauled 5 car set (pre 2016), taking into consideration that a luggage van will now be be replaced with, in car  luggage storage and extra bike racks.
The two buffet modules seem to suggest these 6 car sets might have 4 driver carriages instead of the logical 2 driving cars  on a captive train on this SG route?
Not only would this be a waste of money, its just cutting out more bums on seats when associated with the two buffet modules and huge baggage areas?

I certainly have not been following this much as I have not noticed much to follow.
As a regular traveler between Wodonga and Melbourne, I really hope they actually get the trains right, and even think about utilizing the faster train times by running the first and last trains all the way to Wagga, which would really serve the local people!
And then the Canberra bus could be that much shorter as well.
Cheers
Rod

ps if I missed any Velocity updates please feel free to direct me...

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  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
So the SG Velocity's are still about a year away?  Do we actually know yet what we are going to get?
In the original announcement, I heard they will be 6 car sets and include two buffet modules?  
You might expect that a six car set would equal the seat numbers of the original well patronised,crowded, loco hauled 5 car set (pre 2016), taking into consideration that a luggage van will now be be replaced with, in car  luggage storage and extra bike racks.
The two buffet modules seem to suggest these 6 car sets might have 4 driver carriages instead of the logical 2 driving cars  on a captive train on this SG route?
Not only would this be a waste of money, its just cutting out more bums on seats when associated with the two buffet modules and huge baggage areas?

I certainly have not been following this much as I have not noticed much to follow.
As a regular traveler between Wodonga and Melbourne, I really hope they actually get the trains right, and even think about utilizing the faster train times by running the first and last trains all the way to Wagga, which would really serve the local people!
And then the Canberra bus could be that much shorter as well.
Cheers
Rod

ps if I missed any Velocity updates please feel free to direct me...
comtrain
try this thread for a lot more info on the designs, etc:

SG V'Lo

Neil
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The rolling stock would have been fine arriving early also although we don’t like cheap velocity cars much in Albury.
freightgate
You just don't give up, do ya Bill !

Reminds me of a joke, On arriving in Australia, What's the difference between a Pommy & a 747 ? The 747 Stops Whining.. Razz

You've offered bugger all as a rebuttal to this question in nearly a decade but what is such a major problem with the Vlo's.

Also given your commenting on a type of railcar that hasn't even entered service on your line yet, so big call !

Who's ' we ' ? We seems to indicate a group or organisation ? which is ????

Who's is Forcing you to use this terrible service, that hasn't begun yet, brutal just brutal too be forced into this..Rolling Eyes

Here's a suggestion Bill don't use the service at all, sit on the bus and make sure you wave to the new Vlo's out the window as she flies past your poor old bus at 130k/hr or suck it up, sit in your seat and sulk all the way to Melbourne while the other 299 patrons sit back and enjoy their brand new service & features and appreciate what they have !

BigShunter.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
We don’t like them up here we want better services. I have travelled velocity and they are uncomfortable and noisy.

I am yet to be convinced the so called long distance design will be any better but I will try one and report.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Would the (now completed) track upgrades improve line speeds and travel times for the current rolling stock? So the N Sets and the XPT? If so by how much?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Would the (now completed) track upgrades improve line speeds and travel times for the current rolling stock? So the N Sets and the XPT? If so by how much?
Duncs
You mean they might meet their published timetables ?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
We don’t like them up here we want better services. I have travelled velocity and they are uncomfortable and noisy.

I am yet to be convinced the so called long distance design will be any better but I will try one and report.
freightgate
You lot complain about the condition of the current trains, so government spend millions of dollars to build brand new trains and it still isn't good enough.

Talk about first world problems.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Perhaps us here on the border are sick and tired of how we have been treated. We had on BG a service that worked well and we had a lot of people using it. Now we ha be the SG service less seats and even less people using it. Amazing outcome really. Oh how we have lost the ability to reimagine something new in Victoria.
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The two buffet modules seem to suggest these 6 car sets might have 4 driver carriages instead of the logical 2 driving cars on a captive train on this SG route? Not only would this be a waste of money, its just cutting out more bums on seats when associated with the two buffet modules and huge baggage areas?
comtrain
From snippets I hear around the place it will be initially 2 three car sets and will most likely run the midday down service so it can be serviced and stabled in Melbourne at night. It can be seen as a waste having standard 3 car sets but there are many advantages as well. In the future it would be able to be bogie exchanged with other long distance sets and used on the BG network. 5 & 6 roads in the maintenance shed at Sth Dynon have just received an overhaul/upgrade to service the SG velocity sets with 6 road being dual gauge to enable swapping of BG and SG bogies.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
We don’t like them up here we want better services. I have travelled velocity and they are uncomfortable and noisy.

I am yet to be convinced the so called long distance design will be any better but I will try one and report.
You lot complain about the condition of the current trains, so government spend millions of dollars to build brand new trains and it still isn't good enough.

Talk about first world problems.
Gman_86

Agreed. We all look forward to the unbiased report and no whinging about perceptions, real or otherwise about being 'uncomfortable and noisy'.

M.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Don’t get ahead of your self mike they are not hear yet and government track record on most things down there is a farce.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Don’t get ahead of your self mike they are not hear yet and government track record on most things down there is a farce.
freightgate

Really Question

Please advise us where the state government has broken a promise 'on most things' and not provided the services or infrastructure that were promised.

Mike.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
The two buffet modules seem to suggest these 6 car sets might have 4 driver carriages instead of the logical 2 driving cars on a captive train on this SG route? Not only would this be a waste of money, its just cutting out more bums on seats when associated with the two buffet modules and huge baggage areas?
From snippets I hear around the place it will be initially 2 three car sets and will most likely run the midday down service so it can be serviced and stabled in Melbourne at night. It can be seen as a waste having standard 3 car sets but there are many advantages as well. In the future it would be able to be bogie exchanged with other long distance sets and used on the BG network. 5 & 6 roads in the maintenance shed at Sth Dynon have just received an overhaul/upgrade to service the SG velocity sets with 6 road being dual gauge to enable swapping of BG and SG bogies.
jakar
If the new SG sets are actually purpose built for long distance travel with extra space for luggage and bikes as well as food service, one would think that they are already unfit for regional service.
My thoughts about dual gauge service tracks at Dynon, would be more in line with what happened there in the past.
Vehicles from NSW (both XPT and Explorers) were bogie exchanged and towed to Dandenong all the time during my time there.
Cheers
Rod
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Warrnambool, Bairnsdale, Swan Hill and, perhaps, Shepparton (with a BG version of the SG bogie).
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Warrnambool, Bairnsdale, Swan Hill and, perhaps, Shepparton (with a BG version of the SG bogie).
kitchgp
If they speed up the Shepparton line to 130 kph, then you are looking at a two hour trip. So similar to Bendigo and Ararat. That can easily be covered by the current V Locity fleet. Of course if you decide to extend the trip from Shepparton to Tocumwall, then that is a different matter. A long haul V Locity would be appropriate.
  NimbleJack Locomotive Fireman

There are no plans to introduce a broad-gauge 'long-distance' VLocity.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

There are no plans to introduce a broad-gauge 'long-distance' VLocity.
NimbleJack
That is not my understanding. Once the SG units are operational the BG units will follow. As the trip times to Warrnambool, Swan Hill and Bairnsdale are all over three hours, then the demand will be there. Rest assured it will happen.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Warrnambool, Bairnsdale, Swan Hill and, perhaps, Shepparton (with a BG version of the SG bogie).
kitchgp
So will we now have a SG version of the BG bogie and a BG version of the SG bogie?  Smile
Keeps people employed I suppose.
  NimbleJack Locomotive Fireman

"That is not my understanding. Once the SG units are operational the BG units will follow. As the trip times to Warrnambool, Swan Hill and Bairnsdale are all over three hours, then the demand will be there. Rest assured it will happen."


Your wishful thinking will be sorely disappointed.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Wasn't the point of the Avon River bridge replacement to allow V/locity services to Bairnsdale? They don't specifically mention that in this link but I'm pretty sure that V/locity couldn't safely use the old bridge.

https://regionalrailrevival.vic.gov.au/gippsland/avon-river-bridge
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

"That is not my understanding. Once the SG units are operational the BG units will follow. As the trip times to Warrnambool, Swan Hill and Bairnsdale are all over three hours, then the demand will be there. Rest assured it will happen."


Your wishful thinking will be sorely disappointed.
NimbleJack
No it wont be.

I read various V Line documents over the years clearly stating they want to transition from their aging loco hauled long distance rolling stock to more modern DMUS. They want to be able to do at least 130kph anywhere in Victoria outside of the 160kph areas. Only a long distance Vlocity can do this and still provide the amenities that a long haul N Set can currently provide. Unless V Line plan to introduce a new generation of loco hauled rolling stock, which appears very unlikely.

The SG Vlocity is clearly the starting point of this process. Once these have become established, the long distance BG V Locity rolling stock will then be introduced. Probably starting in 2022, in time for the next state election.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

VLocitys have been operating 2 of the 3 Bairnsdale services for over 2 years, ie before the new Avon River bridge. Ostensibly to lighten the load on the old bridge. More likely to cover a shortage of loco-hauled sets, since there is now no reason they can't go back to all loco-hauled.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Albury – 305 km – 2 x buffets
Swan Hill – 345 km – 0 x buffets (if N + N-set replaced)

A pre-election announcement in late 2022 perhaps?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Albury – 305 km – 2 x buffets
Swan Hill – 345 km – 0 x buffets (if N + N-set replaced)

A pre-election announcement in late 2022 perhaps?
kitchgp
Exactly what I was talking about.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Warrnambool, Bairnsdale, Swan Hill and, perhaps, Shepparton (with a BG version of the SG bogie).
kitchgp
See where you are coming from. But the locals are thinking Albury and possibly Wagga only. This problem is our problem and after 30 years of mismanagement we see this "promise" as a possibility of finally getting a fix. Very Happy
Whatever happens on the existing BG is another problem to be solved for them. Obviously if the Albury Velocities are a success, they will be taken up elsewhere,
In the meantime lets just get a purpose built train on the SG tracks and see how it goes. If they build 4 driving cabs and two buffet modules as well as two luggage areas, it will not be purpose built Albury train and you might as well use wheelchair ramps and airline food service trolleys like they tried to do with the Sprinters in the 90's  I drove those services and they were not fit for purpose, even if they did ride the track well and had the potential to cut travelling times by 30 minutes or more. Cheers Rod

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