Light rail from Burleigh to Coolangatta

 
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Was enquiring about this proposed new extension at the Goldie with my sister about it. She/they use the tram & train a lot and thinks the extension will be great. They hang around down there a  fair bit, she lives in Logan and drives down a bit but also a big user of public transport.

Anybody else living or visit's here much got any opinions or views ?

BigShunter.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/queensland-talks-up-burleigh-to-coolangatta-light-rail-option

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  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Good article to read but with if you consider taking a tram between the Gold Coast Airport and the theme parks (staying at maybe Seaworld resort) that would be a long journey.  Have the government looked at the time it would take to make that journey and would the train be a better option between the airport and Southport?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Good luck fitting a train line between the two locations.
  red dragon Station Master

The proposed heavy rail corridor follows the motorway, with provisions for a tunnel beside the Tugun Bypass tunnel said to have been already built. It'll then hook around to the airport.

The proposed light rail corridor follows much of the former heavy rail corridor (closed 1964) along Tugun and through the cutting into Coolangatta.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
The sooner the better IMHO and let's extend the line into NSW.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The proposed heavy rail corridor follows the motorway, with provisions for a tunnel beside the Tugun Bypass tunnel said to have been already built. It'll then hook around to the airport.

The proposed light rail corridor follows much of the former heavy rail corridor (closed 1964) along Tugun and through the cutting into Coolangatta.
red dragon

Probably ruling out any heavy rail back into that area.  Do you have a good maps reference for this corridor?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Could you imagine catching LR from the airport to Surfers Paradise, long trip.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The proposed heavy rail corridor follows the motorway, with provisions for a tunnel beside the Tugun Bypass tunnel said to have been already built. It'll then hook around to the airport.

The proposed light rail corridor follows much of the former heavy rail corridor (closed 1964) along Tugun and through the cutting into Coolangatta.

Probably ruling out any heavy rail back into that area.  Do you have a good maps reference for this corridor?
bevans
The former Coolangatta railway corridor South of Ernist Junction (that was a goat track) has mostly been consumed by Pacific Motorway (some of the former bridges over the waterways survive today as foot/cycle bridges)
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
The Gold Coast mayor loves trams as that means more rate money off the poor rate payers. You see, the tram route automatically reclassifies residential areas within a certain distance of the route from residential 'A' to a higher density. Thus more rate $$$$$ for the mayor!!!!

Internet tram fans think the tram is good as these tram fans think the tram's primary purpose is moving people. But the real purpose of the tram to change classification residential to high density, as mentioned above, was revealed at local meetings a few years ago. Federal and state money mostly builds tram route but rate money goes to the mayor. You need to follow the money trail instead of the tram people mover spin story. Yes, the money trail as usual shows the truth!!!

Despite what some claim, the real public transport problem for us Gold Coast locals is not the much talked about north south Gold Coast Highway route where the tram might go, but rather east west public transport outside peak hour times. A friend has trouble accessing lectures at the main university (Griffith) opposite the hospital. While the university and hospital have a tram route, she only has hourly buses to her suburb to link to the tram route.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
rate money goes to the mayor.
petan
To be fair Peter, rate money goes to Council, who in turn use to to supply services for the ratepayers.

(I worked in Council for 20 years prior to retirement in 2015).
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
rate money goes to the mayor.
To be fair Peter, rate money goes to Council, who in turn use to to supply services for the ratepayers.
(I worked in Council for 20 years prior to retirement in 2015).
Graham4405
Yes, true, but I was just using the Mayor as shorthand instead of typing the full Gold Coast city council, as distinct to the state or federal. The bottom line is the tram means more rate money to the council because of land reclassification to higher density thus more rates, so of course, the council and mayor will be pushing for tram route expansion.

Funny enough it was the previous local elected council person who told us at the local public meeting that the trams were really all about increasing rate money by automatically rezoning the land without really giving locals the chance to protest the change to our suburbs.

But that meeting when the elected council lady spilled the truth was before Facebook really got established and it is the local facebook groups that are leading the anti high density rezoning protests, including the anti tram protests.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
rate money goes to the mayor.
To be fair Peter, rate money goes to Council, who in turn use to to supply services for the ratepayers.
(I worked in Council for 20 years prior to retirement in 2015).
Yes, true, but I was just using the Mayor as shorthand instead of typing the full Gold Coast city council, as distinct to the state or federal. The bottom line is the tram means more rate money to the council because of land reclassification to higher density thus more rates, so of course, the council and mayor will be pushing for tram route expansion.

Funny enough it was the previous local elected council person who told us at the local public meeting that the trams were really all about increasing rate money by automatically rezoning the land without really giving locals the chance to protest the change to our suburbs.

But that meeting when the elected council lady spilled the truth was before Facebook really got established and it is the local facebook groups that are leading the anti high density rezoning protests, including the anti tram protests.
petan
Ok interesting.

So realistically its got nothing to do with the Mayor, rather a re-zoning enabler to allow the GC to allow higher density housing to spread beyond the existing zones. As the coasts population continues to rise and with the flat areas almost if not fully developed the only pathway forward is up and usually this means introducing mass transit beyond buses which everyone knows have only limited penetration and ridership compared to something with rails.

For me LR has its place, but long haul its not the best Surfers to the airport is 26km long, about 1h on LR. Surfers to Coolingatta airport is going to be a slow painful experience that I'm sure will prove attractive to incoming tourists and local first timers, but not repeat locals.

It may actually be faster to catch HR to Helensvale and then G.link to Surfers or certainly any of the proposed extension from either Robina or Nerang.

Moral of the story, LR is fine, get it to the airport no need to wait until 2030, as soon as Burleigh is done as well as at least one branch to Nerang, Vasity Lakes or Robina stations. However the HR GC line needs to meets its destiny and reach the airport by 2030. This has to happen.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
rate money goes to the mayor.
To be fair Peter, rate money goes to Council, who in turn use to to supply services for the ratepayers.
(I worked in Council for 20 years prior to retirement in 2015).
Yes, true, but I was just using the Mayor as shorthand instead of typing the full Gold Coast city council, as distinct to the state or federal. The bottom line is the tram means more rate money to the council because of land reclassification to higher density thus more rates, so of course, the council and mayor will be pushing for tram route expansion.

Funny enough it was the previous local elected council person who told us at the local public meeting that the trams were really all about increasing rate money by automatically rezoning the land without really giving locals the chance to protest the change to our suburbs.

But that meeting when the elected council lady spilled the truth was before Facebook really got established and it is the local facebook groups that are leading the anti high density rezoning protests, including the anti tram protests.
Ok interesting.

So realistically its got nothing to do with the Mayor, rather a re-zoning enabler to allow the GC to allow higher density housing to spread beyond the existing zones. As the coasts population continues to rise and with the flat areas almost if not fully developed the only pathway forward is up and usually this means introducing mass transit beyond buses which everyone knows have only limited penetration and ridership compared to something with rails.

For me LR has its place, but long haul its not the best Surfers to the airport is 26km long, about 1h on LR. Surfers to Coolingatta airport is going to be a slow painful experience that I'm sure will prove attractive to incoming tourists and local first timers, but not repeat locals.

It may actually be faster to catch HR to Helensvale and then G.link to Surfers or certainly any of the proposed extension from either Robina or Nerang.

Moral of the story, LR is fine, get it to the airport no need to wait until 2030, as soon as Burleigh is done as well as at least one branch to Nerang, Vasity Lakes or Robina stations. However the HR GC line needs to meets its destiny and reach the airport by 2030. This has to happen.
RTT_Rules
With proper traffic light priority allowing trams to run through intersections at speed, you should be able to get that down to about 45-50 min or so including stops.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
The proposed heavy rail corridor follows the motorway, with provisions for a tunnel beside the Tugun Bypass tunnel said to have been already built. It'll then hook around to the airport.

The proposed light rail corridor follows much of the former heavy rail corridor (closed 1964) along Tugun and through the cutting into Coolangatta.

Probably ruling out any heavy rail back into that area.  Do you have a good maps reference for this corridor?
bevans

Bevans,

Light Rail - (grandefloridaresort.com.au)

https://www.gchaveyoursay.com.au/publictransport?utm_source=ehq_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ehq-Have-your-say-on-the-draft-Gold-Coast-Public-Transport-Plan-20182028&utm_campaign=website&utm_source=ehq&utm_medium=email

There are detailed maps of the heavy rail corridor here, in the Impact Assessment studies:
Robina to Tugun Rail Impact Assessment Study Department of Transport and Main Roads (tmr.qld.gov.au)

TMR state clearly that nothing will happen until CRR increases network capacity.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

TMR state clearly that nothing will happen until CRR increases network capacity.
locojoe67
Yup, nothing will happen anywhere on Citytrain until the CRR is constructed, everything is full and even this will only provide a marginal improvement to everything apart from South line services.

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