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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Living in a country that has the most despicable liar as a prime minister, was a disgrace in the bushfire emergency and had a belated response to Covid, I guess you would you know.
In March last year, while feeling fairly safe here, I was terrified for my 80+ year old relatives in Sydney.

In 2010 I sold my home in the Blue Mountains, NSW for Au$440,000 and bought one in Dunedin for NZ$250,000. At the time the Au$ was hovering around NZ$1.30 (it is now around NZ$1.07) A similar home a few doors away has just sold for NZ$620,000 (just 6 months ago another similar was NZ$540,000). The housing market is ridiculous.
The problem is there is no capital gains tax and that is driving the prices up as greedy investors seek a non taxed income.  They are screaming today because the government announced yesterday that interest payments can no longer be offset against rent income for tax purposes.
The Christchurch rebuild has made it very difficult to find tradespeople. Another government announcement yesterday was for yet more apprentices but that is not a quick fix.
I agree the Labour party was a bit naive when they made that promise, until Jacinda became leader they were struggling in 2017. Then unfortunately Jacinda promised never to create a Capital gains tax (before Covid hugely increased her popularity.) Unlike John Howard (no GST) she will probably keep to that promise. To me it is obscene that people can make huge untaxed profits on property speculation.
Brianr

NZ's tax system is much simpler than Australia's, probably in part due to a lack of need to regulate being a smaller economy with only one significant city. You basically cashed in from moving from a more developed economy to a lessor one, good move.

NZ has had high cost housing long before Christchurch due to its small market it has effectively a cartel in the building supplier market. However Auckland has been discovered, but its not alone as the same is happening on the Australia East Coast, EU and parts of Nth America as the money flow from wealthy countries to poor has effectively ground to a halt in 2020/2021, hence the housing market. I read Auckland mortgages taken out over the last year, 40% are interest free, speculators. JA is right to take action, but its more the ship has sailed. The Australian housing prices are already concerning.  


Paul Keating promised not to introduce a CGT, yet here we are with CGT introduced by Keating! He also wanted to implement a GST. John Howard did not back flip on his promise to not introduce the GST. He took it too the people as an election as a core policy and was given the job to implemented it and at no time during Labor's term in govt did they make any attempt to repeal it not did they at any election after the GST was implemented. Moral of the story, sometimes govt's rely on the opposition to do their own dirty work.

NZ has basically a single head of govt for all policy within NZ, much easier to get things done and also single point of accountability when it goes pair shaped. Brian, you also know full well Australia has a hodge potch two tiered govt system with two houses for each tier to make it even more complex (Qld excepted and not counting local govt). We have seen during both the bush fires and during CV-19 the issues this system presents and that the worst part is the people who vote for them frequently don't even know what the actual powers the tier they are voting for has. In other areas we frequently see that many infrastructure projects require two tier funding and in some cases triple tier (GC tram being one) and often these projects are delayed years while trying to get this in place.

SCOMO made some poor judgements during the fires, realistically caught with his pants down being dragged into what is traditionally a state response issue only providing federal resources on request. Regarding COVID, he however has been the opposite, dealing with 7 state Premiers all with their own political agenda's including upcoming elections and the powers to close boarders both domestic and indirectly international. NSW govt has already conceded it screwed up with the Ruby Rose and overall as we can see Australia's less draconian response in H1 2020 achieved the same as NZ, only the repeated F-up's by Dan the Man has dragged the CV-19 recovery and increased the number of deaths 10 fold.

As for exporting criminals holding foreign passports, I have no issue with it.

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  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.

As for exporting criminals holding foreign passports, I have no issue with it.
RTT_Rules
Just asking the question.

Let's say you had no remaining family in Australia.

Let's say your son played up one night and UAE decided that he had to be deported.

Still comfortable?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Border closures again?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA

As for exporting criminals holding foreign passports, I have no issue with it.Just asking the question.

Let's say you had no remaining family in Australia.

Let's say your son played up one night and UAE decided that he had to be deported.

Still comfortable?
DirtyBallast
To be fair, it's a bit more than they 'played up', the person we sent back is a minor, and I cannot see their convictions written about in the public media, so I am not going to post it here. Australia only exports SERIOUS criminals, this person didn't buy booze underage, get caught with some drugs, steal a car and speed/run a red light, or tell their teacher to smeg off - or even all of those in combination.

I said before, I am sure they will go on to be fine tax payers in New Zealand, I worry that we have sent them their next Ernest Rutherford.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
To be fair, its Govt policy to now export any home grown crim that the bover boys can round up, and make any excuse to claim they are foreigners (or no longer OZ).

Its so farcical they even chucked out Australian Indigenous peoples. And I do mean Torres Straight and Aboriginal.

PS. they are OUR crims. Why should NZ be inflicted with them?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.

To be fair, it's a bit more than they 'played up', the person we sent back is a minor, and I cannot see their convictions written about in the public media, so I am not going to post it here. Australia only exports SERIOUS criminals, this person didn't buy booze underage, get caught with some drugs, steal a car and speed/run a red light, or tell their teacher to smeg off - or even all of those in combination.

I said before, I am sure they will go on to be fine tax payers in New Zealand, I worry that we have sent them their next Ernest Rutherford.
Aaron
To be fair, you need to stop playing around with the context of what I wrote.

Obviously, something like deportation would only occur after a serious crime. 'Playing up' could include any manner of things that just might result in that.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

As for exporting criminals holding foreign passports, I have no issue with it.Just asking the question.

Let's say you had no remaining family in Australia.

Let's say your son played up one night and UAE decided that he had to be deported.

Still comfortable?
DirtyBallast
Aaron's point is note quite correct as in the UAE you can be deported for much lessor crimes than Australia deports.

Yes, I've heard of parents in my community here pleading with security because their bored kid stole a bike (not any of ours)) and got caught not to call the police.

Yes I've heard of people forced to leave because of the actions of their kids and in some cases their partners.

Anyway, remember UAE citizenship or UAE permanent residency is not available, so not quite the same as Australia and as my boys sponsor I am held equally responsible for their actions so I would also likely be deported or at least my Visa cancelled and issued a 30 day leave notice.  

One of the reason the UAE is one of the world's safest countries to live in is because they don't put up with $hit. You are a guest, you are welcome to work, live, visit or retire here, but please play by the rules or leave/don't come.

As a result of this policy
- "Glassings" are a non event
- I have zero fear of being mugged
- Women job in the greater community where I live late at night or early in the morning in the dark and there is no fear
- I have zero fear of my wife going out on a girls night and being sexually assaulted or even "felt up"
- Events such as The Rugby Sevens sells full strength beer in 12 packs on ice in the bottle or can it came in or you can buy wine and top shelf. There are no fights.
- We don't have "responsible selling of alcohol" laws
- We don't have booze buses
- We only lock the doors if leaving to community, not if we are going for ride, walk, run, visit friends or swim.
- Basically there is no need or demand for selling mid or light strength beer or selling in plastic cups
- My kids school has a real zero bullying policy and my kids have not witnessed or see or experienced any bullying or been involved in a fight

Its not perfect, incidents do occasionally happen, some things different to Australia, but they are very very rare and this includes my bike being stolen, but was later recovered and I still leave it in the same open location.

Am I still comfortable with "exporting criminals holding foreign passports", yes totally!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
To be fair, its Govt policy to now export any home grown crim that the bover boys can round up, and make any excuse to claim they are foreigners (or no longer OZ).

Its so farcical they even chucked out Australian Indigenous peoples. And I do mean Torres Straight and Aboriginal.

PS. they are OUR crims. Why should NZ be inflicted with them?
justarider
Not farcical and no excuses are made.

Do you have foreign nationality? Yes, then bye bye!

The person was of Indigenous heritage, he was not an Australian Citizen, there is a difference. I'm of Dutch heritage in the same way this guy was Australian, but the Netherlands doesn't have to tolerate my $hit if I go to live their and play up.

The US deported a guy with Iraqi nationality back to Iraq and he later died because he couldn't get the medical support for his medical issues in Iraq. Who's fault is this? His, no one else.

They are only our Crim's if we have no means to deport them, why should we put up with them if we don't have to and VV other countries put up with ours?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
But Shane, you have that relentless heat and the sand storms. Also do I need to state the obvious government supported discrimination and worse against women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/world/middleeast/saudi-driving-ban-anniversary.html

The Saudi justice system is simply barbaric and belongs back in the middle ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia

I think you have been affected by the heat. You obviously had reasons to go there and live in that enclave ...but despite that, Stanthorpe and your far better life of freedom and first world problems is looming post COVID.

OMG...it gets WORSE. If you are gay and living in Saudi, your life is HELL and you are frankly better off dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
But Shane, you have that relentless heat and the sand storms. Also do I need to state the obvious government supported discrimination and worse against women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/world/middleeast/saudi-driving-ban-anniversary.html

The Saudi justice system is simply barbaric and belongs back in the middle ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia

I think you have been affected by the heat. You obviously had reasons to go there and live in that enclave ...but despite that, Stanthorpe and your far better life of freedom and first world problems is looming post COVID.

OMG...it gets WORSE. If you are gay and living in Saudi, your life is HELL and you are frankly better off dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike,
Clearly you started making a few unsubstantiated claims which you clearly know nothing about, then reference Saudi, multiple times, you do know I live in Dubai which is in the country of UAE, which is not KSA, its in my profile which you can see quite clearly.

Sorry Mike, I think you have been the one spending too much time in the sun, not me.

Better luck next time.

Regards
Shane
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
But Shane, you have that relentless heat and the sand storms. Also do I need to state the obvious government supported discrimination and worse against women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/world/middleeast/saudi-driving-ban-anniversary.html

The Saudi justice system is simply barbaric and belongs back in the middle ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia

I think you have been affected by the heat. You obviously had reasons to go there and live in that enclave ...but despite that, Stanthorpe and your far better life of freedom and first world problems is looming post COVID.

OMG...it gets WORSE. If you are gay and living in Saudi, your life is HELL and you are frankly better off dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

Mike.
Mike,
Clearly you started making a few unsubstantiated claims which you clearly know nothing about, then reference Saudi, multiple times, you do know I live in Dubai which is in the country of UAE, which is not KSA, its in my profile which you can see quite clearly.

Sorry Mike, I think you have been the one spending too much time in the sun, not me.

Better luck next time.

Regards
Shane
RTT_Rules

I know I'm being racist but to me one Arab country is the same as another. UAE, KSA are just acronyms, the common theme being...heat, sand storms and loss of human rights. Is life actually more civilised in Dubai than it is in Saudi Question

Mike.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
You seem almost proud of your self acknowledged racism. Wearing it like a badge of honour because this ancient civilization doesn't particularly appreciate the comportment of 'your people'. You no doubt think you are noble for speaking up for so- called 'human-rights'. Farcical.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
To be fair, its Govt policy to now export any home grown crim that the bover boys can round up, and make any excuse to claim they are foreigners (or no longer OZ).

Its so farcical they even chucked out Australian Indigenous peoples. And I do mean Torres Straight and Aboriginal.

PS. they are OUR crims. Why should NZ be inflicted with them?
Not farcical and no excuses are made.

Do you have foreign nationality? Yes, then bye bye!

The person was of Indigenous heritage, he was not an Australian Citizen, there is a difference. I'm of Dutch heritage in the same way this guy was Australian, but the Netherlands doesn't have to tolerate my $hit if I go to live their and play up.

The US deported a guy with Iraqi nationality back to Iraq and he later died because he couldn't get the medical support for his medical issues in Iraq. Who's fault is this? His, no one else.

They are only our Crim's if we have no means to deport them, why should we put up with them if we don't have to and VV other countries put up with ours?
Since you raised the issue of citizenship, clearly you have been away too long and don't understand the draconian nature that has crept into this "department of beating up foreigners".

Case in point. A 6 yo, born in Australia, has a disabilty.
The bover boys refuse to ever acknowledge his citizenship, and want to kick him out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/australian-government-deporting-children-because-of-disability/100018362
Mind though, his parents could stay on their present visa satus. Just never get their own ciitizenship because sick kid is an automatic fail.

That $hit will hang over his head all his life. Funny thing when a birth certificate gives no rights.

As for the broader question, WE taught these crims to be what they are. WE failed them and ourselves, and want to push OUR problem away.
And the DoBUF have the attitude that they can impose criminal sanction (without trial) on top of what the Criminal Courts (with trial) consider a just and proper outcome.

PS. If you boy played up in UAE, and they want to kick him out.
The DoBUF would refuse to allow him back, say he is eligible for Dutch citizenship,  and do their darndest to divert him to Holland.
Probably a better outcome for him, but shows how callous WE are.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
But Shane, you have that relentless heat and the sand storms. Also do I need to state the obvious government supported discrimination and worse against women.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/world/middleeast/saudi-driving-ban-anniversary.html

The Saudi justice system is simply barbaric and belongs back in the middle ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_system_of_Saudi_Arabia

I think you have been affected by the heat. You obviously had reasons to go there and live in that enclave ...but despite that, Stanthorpe and your far better life of freedom and first world problems is looming post COVID.

OMG...it gets WORSE. If you are gay and living in Saudi, your life is HELL and you are frankly better off dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

Mike.
Mike,
Clearly you started making a few unsubstantiated claims which you clearly know nothing about, then reference Saudi, multiple times, you do know I live in Dubai which is in the country of UAE, which is not KSA, its in my profile which you can see quite clearly.

Sorry Mike, I think you have been the one spending too much time in the sun, not me.

Better luck next time.

Regards
Shane

I know I'm being racist but to me one Arab country is the same as another. UAE, KSA are just acronyms, the common theme being...heat, sand storms and loss of human rights. Is life actually more civilised in Dubai than it is in Saudi Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
Wow! I just thought your conflation was through stupidity, then you admit to deliberate ignorance and just being racist - you idiot.

On the upside, by your (lack of) logic, Australia and NZ are the same place so we didn't deport them after all.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
To be fair, its Govt policy to now export any home grown crim that the bover boys can round up, and make any excuse to claim they are foreigners (or no longer OZ).

Its so farcical they even chucked out Australian Indigenous peoples. And I do mean Torres Straight and Aboriginal.

PS. they are OUR crims. Why should NZ be inflicted with them?
Not farcical and no excuses are made.

Do you have foreign nationality? Yes, then bye bye!

The person was of Indigenous heritage, he was not an Australian Citizen, there is a difference. I'm of Dutch heritage in the same way this guy was Australian, but the Netherlands doesn't have to tolerate my $hit if I go to live their and play up.

The US deported a guy with Iraqi nationality back to Iraq and he later died because he couldn't get the medical support for his medical issues in Iraq. Who's fault is this? His, no one else.

They are only our Crim's if we have no means to deport them, why should we put up with them if we don't have to and VV other countries put up with ours?
Since you raised the issue of citizenship, clearly you have been away too long and don't understand the draconian nature that has crept into this "department of beating up foreigners".

Case in point. A 6 yo, born in Australia, has a disabilty.
The bover boys refuse to ever acknowledge his citizenship, and want to kick him out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/australian-government-deporting-children-because-of-disability/100018362
Mind though, his parents could stay on their present visa satus. Just never get their own ciitizenship because sick kid is an automatic fail.

That $hit will hang over his head all his life. Funny thing when a birth certificate gives no rights.

As for the broader question, WE taught these crims to be what they are. WE failed them and ourselves, and want to push OUR problem away.
And the DoBUF have the attitude that they can impose criminal sanction (without trial) on top of what the Criminal Courts (with trial) consider a just and proper outcome.

PS. If you boy played up in UAE, and they want to kick him out.
The DoBUF would refuse to allow him back, say he is eligible for Dutch citizenship,  and do their darndest to divert him to Holland.
Probably a better outcome for him, but shows how callous WE are.
justarider
Firstly, merely being born in Australia does not mean Australian citizenship, this is pretty much the same for almost all nations outside of America. A birth certificate is a relatively unimpressive form of ID, it doesn't issue you with rights, a decent number of people beyond their teens having moved house a few times likely don't have their birth certificate anymore - so which is true? They don't have rights anymore, or they're missing a form of ID?

'WE taught'? Speak for yourself maybe, I and the vast majority of citizens have not taught a single person to commit a serious crime.

The federal government create legislation, they have legislated the terms and conditions of being here, you always have the option of complying with the laws and terms and conditions of being here - not committing a serious crime is a pretty trivial request.

Again, non Australians can simply become citizens if their general talent for not committing serious crime is insufficient.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Since you raised the issue of citizenship, clearly you have been away too long and don't understand the draconian nature that has crept into this "department of beating up foreigners".

Case in point. A 6 yo, born in Australia, has a disabilty.
The bover boys refuse to ever acknowledge his citizenship, and want to kick him out.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/australian-government-deporting-children-because-of-disability/100018362
Mind though, his parents could stay on their present visa satus. Just never get their own ciitizenship because sick kid is an automatic fail.

That $hit will hang over his head all his life. Funny thing when a birth certificate gives no rights.

As for the broader question, WE taught these crims to be what they are. WE failed them and ourselves, and want to push OUR problem away.
And the DoBUF have the attitude that they can impose criminal sanction (without trial) on top of what the Criminal Courts (with trial) consider a just and proper outcome.

PS. If you boy played up in UAE, and they want to kick him out.
The DoBUF would refuse to allow him back, say he is eligible for Dutch citizenship,  and do their darndest to divert him to Holland.
Probably a better outcome for him, but shows how callous WE are.
justarider
The govt's (various) has put in place numerous rules on what makes an Aussie for good reason and being born in Australia is not one of them unless one of your parents has PR or citizenship or you stay until age 10 (last I knew, may have changed).

Now why do you think we have these rules? Which by the way many countries have or similar.

One is to stop people flying in pregnant and/or over staying their visa's and then claiming nationality because their kid was born here. It happens, do you want to know the number of mostly Sub-cont people we have met in Dubai who planned to do this to get citizenship in US or UK? On our one 10 day trip to Sri Lanka in 2015, do you want to know how many Sri Lankian's want to know why Australia stopped the boats as they wanted to come and asking questions are Hospitals are really free? Does the govt really give you money if you cannot find a job?

Yes foreigners cannot get Australian PR if they have serious medical issues. This has been in place for decades. s. Its why after age ~34, most Western countries have increasingly tighter rules on immigration as you get older for migration to reduce the likely hood you ending up on welfare before you have contributed your fair share. My neighbor here wanted to move to Oz, Indian Passport holder, grown up in US, reasonably cashed up investment banker, but at age 45, he and his wife were deemed marginal and not issued an automatic Permanent Resident, rather a bridging visa because his bank statement wasn't quite fat enough.

Some time ago someone in this group was disgusted when they found out you can buy an Australian passport/Nationality for about $2m, at least those people will invest, create jobs and add value to the country. Meanwhile a few of you hear want to give it away not for free, but at a cost. Might be worth considering that its not just your money you are pi$$ing against the wall, its the rest of us. If you feel these people have been wronged and will suffer because of it, please feel free to provide a direct contribution to their welfare and start a charity for them in the country they are sent too.

I have no idea what DoBUF stands for and I doubt very much you have any idea on UAE law as you seem lacking on Australian law.

We didn't teach our crim's to be crims, well you may have, but I know myself and most others here didn't. Most of us follow the rules, others chose not to. That idiot in Christchurch, who in the Australian govt or Australian mainstream population, his parents etc taught him to go shoot dozens of people? (yes the Kiwi's should deport him back).

And don't be so stupid, seriously. I'm not entitled to a Dutch passport, my kid has only one nationality, Australia cannot kick him out under the Hague convention which the govt has stated more than once. Lets not try and substantiate your extremist left views with mythical BS.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.

As for exporting criminals holding foreign passports, I have no issue with it.Just asking the question.

Let's say you had no remaining family in Australia.

Let's say your son played up one night and UAE decided that he had to be deported.

Still comfortable?Aaron's point is note quite correct as in the UAE you can be deported for much lessor crimes than Australia deports.

Yes, I've heard of parents in my community here pleading with security because their bored kid stole a bike (not any of ours)) and got caught not to call the police.

Yes I've heard of people forced to leave because of the actions of their kids and in some cases their partners.

Anyway, remember UAE citizenship or UAE permanent residency is not available, so not quite the same as Australia and as my boys sponsor I am held equally responsible for their actions so I would also likely be deported or at least my Visa cancelled and issued a 30 day leave notice.  

One of the reason the UAE is one of the world's safest countries to live in is because they don't put up with $hit. You are a guest, you are welcome to work, live, visit or retire here, but please play by the rules or leave/don't come.

As a result of this policy
- "Glassings" are a non event
- I have zero fear of being mugged
- Women job in the greater community where I live late at night or early in the morning in the dark and there is no fear
- I have zero fear of my wife going out on a girls night and being sexually assaulted or even "felt up"
- Events such as The Rugby Sevens sells full strength beer in 12 packs on ice in the bottle or can it came in or you can buy wine and top shelf. There are no fights.
- We don't have "responsible selling of alcohol" laws
- We don't have booze buses
- We only lock the doors if leaving to community, not if we are going for ride, walk, run, visit friends or swim.
- Basically there is no need or demand for selling mid or light strength beer or selling in plastic cups
- My kids school has a real zero bullying policy and my kids have not witnessed or see or experienced any bullying or been involved in a fight

Its not perfect, incidents do occasionally happen, some things different to Australia, but they are very very rare and this includes my bike being stolen, but was later recovered and I still leave it in the same open location.

Am I still comfortable with "exporting criminals holding foreign passports", yes totally!
RTT_Rules
Cute reply, but irrelevant to the hypothetical question I was asking.

I don't care that you say that you would also be sent home with your son; that wasn't the question so I'll ask it again: If, hypothetically, your son was deported to Australia alone and he had no ties there and no-one to turn to when he arrived, would you be comfortable with that?

Community safety in UAE might be high by some measures, but the overall picture is not so rosy. Labour camps/modern slavery, construction industry death rate, human rights issues, suicide rate etc. Some of your dot points make it sound like you live in a gated community (I'm not saying that you do, but it just sounds like it) but you can't extrapolate those examples you listed to represent the overall picture. Plus, your neck of the woods will always have a higher terrorism risk.

If community safety in UAE is a result of the threat of punishment by government or other authorities, it really does sound like a nation full of scared little sheeple.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

I know I'm being racist but to me one Arab country is the same as another. UAE, KSA are just acronyms, the common theme being...heat, sand storms and loss of human rights. Is life actually more civilised in Dubai than it is in Saudi Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike,
You want the mainstream to support and approve of the lifestyle choices that mother nature has thrown your way and then you response with above? Your a hard working intelligent guy and then you throw two country's which are very different in many ways including many aspects of their culture and you expect me to treat your comment with respect? Basically you are saying Australia and US or Australia and UK are the same.

A few learning points for you

Which human rights are being violated Mike? General guideline for working in the UAE is you come here to work hard, play hard and save money provided you don't think you are entitled to more than what you earn and treat your fellow people with respect.  The UAE has some laws that are considered out dated, but the police don't enforced them actively, rather just keep them up their sleeve incase you cause problems and it gives them something to act on.

As for Homosexuals tolerance, I've never seen so many obviously gay people, male and female, especially male Filipino's. Its almost like Emirates airlines only recruits gay guys and I'm not talking cabin crew. Even the local Telco's main CSO's. YEs there are also I've been told gay bars here and a straight friend was openly "hit on" in the street outside a hotel having a smoke.  

Even the heat is not the same. KSA heat is actually mostly pleasant or at least not as as abusive as UAE extreme humidity and heat. They are wearing jumpers while we sweat.

The UAE has a open multi-cultural society, but at the same time they have policies in place to preserve the UAE National culture. Yes core of their culture is a more devote form of Islam, big deal, the US is a more devote form of Christianity and like the US, not all follow or care for religion but generally respect other peoples choices including which religion they follow.

The UAE has multiple church's of various Christian denominations, Mosques for different forms of Islam, Temples and Synagogues and no I haven't been inside any of them, nor plan to. While promotion of non-Islam is generally banned, Christian's of all denominations are allowed to gather on one beach on Good Friday each year at Sunrise and they draw a crowd of 100,000. The Pope was invited by the VP to visit a two years back and held an open air mass for 150,000, all paid for by the UAE govt.

Women, while there is still some backwardness, my personal experience this is mostly from the sub-cont influence more than Emiraties themselves. There is no forced segregation, but they do provide women only seats on the Metro, buses, all govt offices, etc, however its a choice to use them.

When the UAE was bombing ISIA Syria, one of the fighter pilots was female. Yes she had to wait until age 30, which even in Australia would be considered old, but how many female fighter pilots does Australia have? Note, one of my wife's former colleges in Australia needed to have the Qld law changed so SHE could run a mine. She's not that old!

Emiratie females once married can choose to work or not, they are not required culturally to use their income in the family, its 100% hers to do with it however she pleases, he has no legal or cultural rights to it and if they get divorced he musts still fund her and their kids, her personal wealth doesn't come into play.

Emiratie females are more than likely to be better educated and better travelled than you. Most of the ones I work with including my boss have either studied or worked OS.

UAE has more globally recognised social business rules than KSA. The beaches are full of butts with G-string bikinis and Cleavage is far more prolific here in the local Supermarket than an Australian nightclub.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Cute reply, but irrelevant to the hypothetical question I was asking.

I don't care that you say that you would also be sent home with your son; that wasn't the question so I'll ask it again: If, hypothetically, your son was deported to Australia alone and he had no ties there and no-one to turn to when he arrived, would you be comfortable with that?

Community safety in UAE might be high by some measures, but the overall picture is not so rosy. Labour camps/modern slavery, construction industry death rate, human rights issues, suicide rate etc. Some of your dot points make it sound like you live in a gated community (I'm not saying that you do, but it just sounds like it) but you can't extrapolate those examples you listed to represent the overall picture. Plus, your neck of the woods will always have a higher terrorism risk.

If community safety in UAE is a result of the threat of punishment by government or other authorities, it really does sound like a nation full of scared little sheeple.
DirtyBallast
Cute, as you mean, factual and totally relevant to your question.

If he was deported alone, as a minor my wife and I need to go too, I'm his father, WTF kind of person do you think I am?

3rd generation off-spring is a growing problem globally, that's people who don't associate with the culture that comes with their passport. Parents that allow this to happen are living in a dream and I know people who have migrated from the UAE to a 3rd party country to enable their kids to have a future and passport that is aligned with their culture.

My employer has a workers camp, two. One is Dubai and the other new due to border issue with Abu Dhabi due to Corona Virus. The Dubai one is very nice, on the beach, pool, soccer ground, free bus to Metro, Free wifi, very spread out, free full medical and we have a clinic on site. 2 to a room. The Abu Dhabi is substandard and a work in progress by the company to improve as it had to be set up quickly.

Yes not all companies don't treat their employees as well, things are however changing, all be it slowly. Surprise, not the only country to have this issue, I ran recently some fruit pickers in Australia are equally worse off if not worse.

Yes I live in a open gated community. I chose the location due to schools and work, not the gated bit. I'd prefer to live in another location which is not gated. Security and safety wise it would similar. UAE has its problems, but they are different.

The higher terrorism risk is why the UAE and Dubai govts maintain a large secret service and we don't have some of the privacy laws of Australia. Thank you for acknowledging this reality, maybe people don't see it. Things like parking under the Metro is banned for this reason and why your car number plate is photographed everywhere and we have a National ID card.

The UAE safety is as a result of 85% of the population can face deportation. Most of those 85% come countries with no welfare and potentially their incomes are funding families back home. However does this mean these people behave better than those of us from welfare states, I don't think so. Its an open threat, but it works. In Australia its an open threat that if you are caught in a illegal act, you will be charged, fined and or jailed. So same same. The difference is that people are here for the same reason, leave their countries and families, to work and earn money and I think in general people being more capitalist in nature are less likely to resort to criminal activities. For example in Australia does the great unwashed hop on a plane to the other side of the country to start a life of crime?  My experience and observations says generally not.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA

As for exporting criminals holding foreign passports, I have no issue with it.Just asking the question.

Let's say you had no remaining family in Australia.

Let's say your son played up one night and UAE decided that he had to be deported.

Still comfortable?Aaron's point is note quite correct as in the UAE you can be deported for much lessor crimes than Australia deports.

Yes, I've heard of parents in my community here pleading with security because their bored kid stole a bike (not any of ours)) and got caught not to call the police.

Yes I've heard of people forced to leave because of the actions of their kids and in some cases their partners.

Anyway, remember UAE citizenship or UAE permanent residency is not available, so not quite the same as Australia and as my boys sponsor I am held equally responsible for their actions so I would also likely be deported or at least my Visa cancelled and issued a 30 day leave notice.  

One of the reason the UAE is one of the world's safest countries to live in is because they don't put up with $hit. You are a guest, you are welcome to work, live, visit or retire here, but please play by the rules or leave/don't come.

As a result of this policy
- "Glassings" are a non event
- I have zero fear of being mugged
- Women job in the greater community where I live late at night or early in the morning in the dark and there is no fear
- I have zero fear of my wife going out on a girls night and being sexually assaulted or even "felt up"
- Events such as The Rugby Sevens sells full strength beer in 12 packs on ice in the bottle or can it came in or you can buy wine and top shelf. There are no fights.
- We don't have "responsible selling of alcohol" laws
- We don't have booze buses
- We only lock the doors if leaving to community, not if we are going for ride, walk, run, visit friends or swim.
- Basically there is no need or demand for selling mid or light strength beer or selling in plastic cups
- My kids school has a real zero bullying policy and my kids have not witnessed or see or experienced any bullying or been involved in a fight

Its not perfect, incidents do occasionally happen, some things different to Australia, but they are very very rare and this includes my bike being stolen, but was later recovered and I still leave it in the same open location.

Am I still comfortable with "exporting criminals holding foreign passports", yes totally!Cute reply, but irrelevant to the hypothetical question I was asking.

I don't care that you say that you would also be sent home with your son; that wasn't the question so I'll ask it again: If, hypothetically, your son was deported to Australia alone and he had no ties there and no-one to turn to when he arrived, would you be comfortable with that?

Community safety in UAE might be high by some measures, but the overall picture is not so rosy. Labour camps/modern slavery, construction industry death rate, human rights issues, suicide rate etc. Some of your dot points make it sound like you live in a gated community (I'm not saying that you do, but it just sounds like it) but you can't extrapolate those examples you listed to represent the overall picture. Plus, your neck of the woods will always have a higher terrorism risk.

If community safety in UAE is a result of the threat of punishment by government or other authorities, it really does sound like a nation full of scared little sheeple.
DirtyBallast
Have you got the UAE confused with the USA?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Gulp...
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
@RTT_Rules, good info, thanks, but you still sidestepped my question.

Should I ask it again, or are you hellbent on obfuscation?

Apart from that I raised the issue about construction workers camps because of the ongoing problems with employers confiscating passports from the workers, despite it being illegal since 2002 I think. What is actually being done to stop this occurring?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Back to topic.

It has been revealed that a Brisbane man hosted a party for 25 people despite being told to isolate until getting his test result, which turned out to be positive:
Brisbane man who tested positive to coronavirus partied with friends while waiting for his result - ABC News

What is wrong with some people???
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Quite honestly, that person in QLD just needs to go to gaol, and if they’re not in possession of Australian citizenship, they need to be deported.

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