Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Melbourne Airport railway station ????

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  footscrazy Station Master

It's obvious the party should be held at Tullamarine station!
  doyle Chief Commissioner

The holiday inn at the airport
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Up to you if want a bouncy castle or a nebuliser
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Reading the feedback on Engage Victoria it looks like people are asking for stations at both Keilor East and Airport West. So if such stations are built I expect they will be for political reasons and nothing else.
railblogger

I think Airport West would be a good candidate near the shopping centre.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
A comment I posted on 26 June 2020:

"I reckon we should hold an "Airport Rail Party" when this thread reaches 50 pages, still with nobody any the wiser about what's actually going to happen."

Any ideas on where the party should be held? (the funnier, the better)
Valvegear
The Pit that they apparently dug in the 60's for an airport station under Park Royal Hotel.Razz
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A comment I posted on 26 June 2020:

"I reckon we should hold an "Airport Rail Party" when this thread reaches 50 pages, still with nobody any the wiser about what's actually going to happen."

Any ideas on where the party should be held? (the funnier, the better)
The Pit that they apparently dug in the 60's for an airport station under Park Royal Hotel.Razz
Dangersdan707

Is there really a pit under the Park Royal Hotel that is interesting.
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

Do you people reckon the pit help in anyway with the construction?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Reading the feedback on Engage Victoria it looks like people are asking for stations at both Keilor East and Airport West. So if such stations are built I expect they will be for political reasons and nothing else.

I think Airport West would be a good candidate near the shopping centre.
bevans
Look at the map, the proposed Airport line branches off the goods line alignment way before Airport West Shopping Centre.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
"Reading the feedback on Engage Victoria it looks like people are asking for stations at both Keilor East and Airport West."
Tullamarine (Sharps Road) also seems pretty popular.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

"Reading the feedback on Engage Victoria it looks like people are asking for stations at both Keilor East and Airport West."
Tullamarine (Sharps Road) also seems pretty popular.
stooge spark
IMO, If they're lucky provision will be made for the future, otherwise...
  3088D Station Master

This thread has been uncharacteristically quiet for a fortnight and is slipping down the charts. This might keep it at the head of the Melbourne Suburban list for a while and give readers something to watch until discussion goes down more rabbit holes.

Far be it for me to suggest that an expert opinion might be worth a hearing in these pages but we could do worse than watch an eighteen minute presentation I found on YouTube given by Professor Graham Currie of Monash University called "Melbourne Airport Rail Link: Status, Rationale & Options”.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl4Xd4y0_No

It was given at a conference at Parliament House on 12 September 2019 and he summarises the plan to that point before discussing the need for the rail on the one hand and the problems and pitfalls of it on the other.

The summary of the rationale of the rail link is that road access to the airport - the Tullamarine freeway and the carpark - has reached the limit of what it can offer and we need options in anticipation of greater numbers of airport users. He asks the basic question of who is it for? Are we investing in options for visitors to Melbourne rather than locals? Is our money being used to do this for others? He finds this thought is used to commercialise airport rail links to have them pay for themselves but this also brings a new set of problems and needs caution. He adds that the Sunshine route is a way to develop the economic potential of the western suburbs to compensate for the cost of the link and to include the greatest number of regional passengers.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

This thread has been uncharacteristically quiet for a fortnight and is slipping down the charts. This might keep it at the head of the Melbourne Suburban list for a while and give readers something to watch until discussion goes down more rabbit holes.

Far be it for me to suggest that an expert opinion might be worth a hearing in these pages but we could do worse than watch an eighteen minute presentation I found on YouTube given by Professor Graham Currie of Monash University called "Melbourne Airport Rail Link: Status, Rationale & Options”.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl4Xd4y0_No

It was given at a conference at Parliament House on 12 September 2019 and he summarises the plan to that point before discussing the need for the rail on the one hand and the problems and pitfalls of it on the other.

The summary of the rationale of the rail link is that road access to the airport - the Tullamarine freeway and the carpark - has reached the limit of what it can offer and we need options in anticipation of greater numbers of airport users. He asks the basic question of who is it for? Are we investing in options for visitors to Melbourne rather than locals? Is our money being used to do this for others? He finds this thought is used to commercialise airport rail links to have them pay for themselves but this also brings a new set of problems and needs caution. He adds that the Sunshine route is a way to develop the economic potential of the western suburbs to compensate for the cost of the link and to include the greatest number of regional passengers.
3088D
On the examples of Airports linked to through Regional services, he gave Heathrow as an example. That is not true. Gatwick Yes, Heathrow, no. All rail Services to Heathrow, terminate at Heathrow or loop back towards the city.

Michael
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A significant update today.  Includes a big Skyrail at Albion that has me scratching my head:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/first-look-long-awaited-melbourne-airport-rail
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

You'd better hope the Airport line trains wouldn't have to cross over the Sunbury line at grade after coming down that bridge!

I don't understand why one is needed though. Is there too little space in Sunshine for the extra two platforms? Hopefully they at least extend RRL to Albion as part of these works.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
A significant update today.  Includes a big Skyrail at Albion that has me scratching my head:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/first-look-long-awaited-melbourne-airport-rail
Carnot
Where are the pretty pictures?
  3088D Station Master

A significant update today.  Includes a big Skyrail at Albion that has me scratching my head:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/first-look-long-awaited-melbourne-airport-rail
Where are the pretty pictures?
james.au

There is a video at
https://airportrail.vic.gov.au/news/concept-designs-march-2021

Not much detail in it though.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
A significant update today.  Includes a big Skyrail at Albion that has me scratching my head:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/first-look-long-awaited-melbourne-airport-rail
Carnot
The only real surprise is calling this "skyrail" . Maybe it's no longer a dirty word.

The new bridge over the Maribyrnong is as expected. Only hope the design is sympathetic to the existing heritage one.

Elevating the track over  Sunbury line, Freight junction, Ballarat Rd, St Albans Rd;  solves the tangles. Us gunzells would normally just call it a "fly-over"
Much smarter move than the earlier brain fart of tunnel underneath.

cheers
John
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

A significant update today.  Includes a big Skyrail at Albion that has me scratching my head:

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/first-look-long-awaited-melbourne-airport-rail
Where are the pretty pictures?
james.au
You have to look in the news to see those pretty pictures.
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

The skyrail over a road bridge looks quite unusual wouldn’t it? It’s like probably nearly double the height of regular skyrail (such as Dandenong line).

Would trains be able to travel the full 130 km/h on the elevated sections?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The skyrail over a road bridge looks quite unusual wouldn’t it? It’s like probably nearly double the height of regular skyrail (such as Dandenong line).

Would trains be able to travel the full 130 km/h on the elevated sections?
Jordy33
?

If you drive along a freeway at 110 km/h, do you suddenly have to slow down to 90 if you go over a bridge? Double height has nothing to do with it. Check out Eastlink/Dandenong Rd/Heatherton Rd arrangement.

What have bridges and track class have in common? Nothing!
  Upven Junior Train Controller

$10b in funding and this project won't be done until 2029 according to the media reports.

????? Am I missing something???? Are we suddenly not in a recession where major projects are needed?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

$10b in funding and this project won't be done until 2029 according to the media reports.

????? Am I missing something???? Are we suddenly not in a recession where major projects are needed?
Upven
I am mystified as to how a project that will contain little in the way of tunneling will take 7 years and cost $10 Billion?


Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

You'd better hope the Airport line trains wouldn't have to cross over the Sunbury line at grade after coming down that bridge!

I don't understand why one is needed though. Is there too little space in Sunshine for the extra two platforms? Hopefully they at least extend RRL to Albion as part of these works.
reubstar6
Probably to avoid having to slew the Standard Gauge Track away from Sunshine Station as it runs fairly close.


Michael
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Being the original old cynic, I'll believe that there'll be a rail line to the airport when I see work actually start. I Have been listening to, and reading about, an airport rail link since the airport itself was under construction.

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