Wheels turning for the return of passenger rail to the Wimmera

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 29 Mar 2021 21:29
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Not much available with this article due to the pay wall.  Are there plans for passenger services once again?

Wheels turning for the return of passenger rail to the Wimmera

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
File under "W" for Wishful Thinking.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Not much available with this article due to the pay wall.  Are there plans for passenger services once again?

Wheels turning for the return of passenger rail to the Wimmera
bevans
It's tied in with the Mildura service.

There's a group of councils and local businesses who have been pushing for better public transport out west - mainly to Horsham and Hamilton.

They can carry on all they like, but it's unlikely to get anywhere.
  Maximas Locomotive Fireman

Location: Geelong
Passenger rail to Horsham in particular is much more achievable than Mildura no? Hamilton is a bit more of a stretch but the basic infrastructure is there.

Mildura truly is a pipe-dream at this point
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Does anyone have the actual article text they can post please?
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
Passenger rail to Horsham in particular is much more achievable than Mildura no? Hamilton is a bit more of a stretch but the basic infrastructure is there.

Mildura truly is a pipe-dream at this point
Maximas
A simple extension of the Warrnambool V/Line service to Koroit and Hamilton would be the obvious solution. Smile
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Passenger rail to Horsham in particular is much more achievable than Mildura no? Hamilton is a bit more of a stretch but the basic infrastructure is there.

Mildura truly is a pipe-dream at this point
A simple extension of the Warrnambool V/Line service to Koroit and Hamilton would be the obvious solution. Smile
steamfreak

I completely agree with this statement.  A lot of stupid decisions have been made on rail in the west but it would be possible to put the train back into Koroit and Port Fairy.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Passenger rail to Horsham in particular is much more achievable than Mildura no? Hamilton is a bit more of a stretch but the basic infrastructure is there.

Mildura truly is a pipe-dream at this point
A simple extension of the Warrnambool V/Line service to Koroit and Hamilton would be the obvious solution. Smile

I completely agree with this statement.  A lot of stupid decisions have been made on rail in the west but it would be possible to put the train back into Koroit and Port Fairy.
bevans
Theoretically yes, but not in reality. There's a bridge missing over the Merri River at Warrnambool, for a start.

Edit - Oh, and the Princes Hwy now goes over the rail reserve between Dennington and Illowa.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Does anyone have the actual article text they can post please?
bevans
Sorry, not the full article but enough to give you an idea.

"Passenger rail has been absent from the Wimmera for almost 30 years, but discussions are taking place to revitalise public transport in the region. The discussions are being led by the Rail Futures Institute, a public transport advocacy, think-tank, and research organisation. The Institute hopes to debate rail changes in the Wimmera. In March, Rail Futures Institute president John Hearsch connected with many local government councils in the Wimmera to assess the interest of a potential return to passenger rail in the area. Horsham Rural City Council, Northern Grampians Shire Council, the Southern Grampians Shire Council, and the Ararat…"

So - no real news here. The same councils have their own rail committee pushing for the same.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The infrastructure exists to run a service between Horsham and Hamilton connecting with Melbourne bound BG Vlos at Ararat.

Horsham, Stawell and Ararat stations are open and ready to go. Hamilton and Dunkeld are both in very good condition and would need very little work if anything at all to receive trains. Actually, Hamilton station is already open and staffed by V/Line employees - All that's missing is the trains.

All that needs to be done to provide this service is to acquire the necessary rollingstock and get the drivers trained up on the route.



Oh yeah and passenger numbers. Without those, It isn't likely to happen at all. I believe this is the true stumbling block.
  Djebel Locomotive Driver

The infrastructure exists to run a service between Horsham and Hamilton connecting with Melbourne bound BG Vlos at Ararat.

Horsham, Stawell and Ararat stations are open and ready to go. Hamilton and Dunkeld are both in very good condition and would need very little work if anything at all to receive trains. Actually, Hamilton station is already open and staffed by V/Line employees - All that's missing is the trains.

All that needs to be done to provide this service is to acquire the necessary rollingstock and get the drivers trained up on the route.



Oh yeah and passenger numbers. Without those, It isn't likely to happen at all. I believe this is the true stumbling block.
Gman_86
It's the usual catch 22.  Vline won't provide a service unless there's passengers, and passengers won't use it unless there's a decent service (4 trains each way, each day).  Call it 3 hours with stops; trains running in both directions simultaneously, crossing at Grampians loop.  And a guarantee that any goods trains to/from Portland will be held to ensure no delays to the passenger service.

So 2 crews per day, plus enough trained up to cover leave.  Sufficient rolling stock to cover the timetable, as well as servicing etc.  Does anybody know if Sprinters are gauge convertible?

The only way I can see something like this getting started is if somebody/organisation/collective stumps up the cash to run the service for 2-3 years (it would take a while to attract passengers).

Anybody got a rough idea how much the foam above would cost EmbarassedLaughing?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The infrastructure exists to run a service between Horsham and Hamilton connecting with Melbourne bound BG Vlos at Ararat.

Horsham, Stawell and Ararat stations are open and ready to go. Hamilton and Dunkeld are both in very good condition and would need very little work if anything at all to receive trains. Actually, Hamilton station is already open and staffed by V/Line employees - All that's missing is the trains.

All that needs to be done to provide this service is to acquire the necessary rollingstock and get the drivers trained up on the route.



Oh yeah and passenger numbers. Without those, It isn't likely to happen at all. I believe this is the true stumbling block.
It's the usual catch 22.  Vline won't provide a service unless there's passengers, and passengers won't use it unless there's a decent service (4 trains each way, each day).  Call it 3 hours with stops; trains running in both directions simultaneously, crossing at Grampians loop.  And a guarantee that any goods trains to/from Portland will be held to ensure no delays to the passenger service.

So 2 crews per day, plus enough trained up to cover leave.  Sufficient rolling stock to cover the timetable, as well as servicing etc.  Does anybody know if Sprinters are gauge convertible?

The only way I can see something like this getting started is if somebody/organisation/collective stumps up the cash to run the service for 2-3 years (it would take a while to attract passengers).

Anybody got a rough idea how much the foam above would cost EmbarassedLaughing?
Djebel
No, the trains need to cross at Ararat, otherwise they won't meet with a connecting broad gauge Vlocity for inbound/outbound passengers.
  Djebel Locomotive Driver

No, the trains need to cross at Ararat, otherwise they won't meet with a connecting broad gauge Vlocity for inbound/outbound passengers.
don_dunstan
Sorry, I meant crossing at Grampians loop when running between Ararat-Portland, because a decent local service would be needed to attract passengers (not everyone wants to travel on to Melbourne).  Ararat bound trains would be timed to connect with the Melbourne train.

Obviously the northern section would be worked/timed similarly, but I forgot to type that bit out Embarassed (I blame the beer).
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

If you are keeping costs to a minimum, Pyrenees Loop. Would be a 15-min wait for the Hamilton service if the Horsham service gets priority or vice versa. The Melbourne service would need a quick turnaround.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A simple extension of the Warrnambool V/Line service to Koroit and Hamilton would be the obvious solution. Smile
steamfreak

Oh...do you mean like this Question

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/95418c32-d2fa-48d6-9985-cae575623c45/Mt-Gambier

and

https://d1u8c9axrpru07.cloudfront.net/1616650730661/bus-1357-2008-04-27-2021-12-31.pdf


Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mike do we know how popular this service is between Warrnambool and Heywood?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Mike do we know how popular this service is between Warrnambool and Heywood?
bevans
Actually, Mt Gambier - Warrnambool. And it's pretty popular.

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