The corona virus COVID-19

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Rubbish.  

Sums it up pretty well here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-01/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-information-transparency/100042460

But that is the ABC and thus blocked by your gated community's fire wall, try listing to this Labor State Health Minister speaking on their left wing propaganda channel (skip to 6:00 ish):
djf01
So you are accusing the Fed's for stockpiling?

What firewall?

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  djf01 Chief Commissioner


Rubbish.  

Sums it up pretty well here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-01/coronavirus-vaccine-rollout-information-transparency/100042460

But that is the ABC and thus blocked by your gated community's fire wall, try listing to this Labor State Health Minister speaking on their left wing propaganda channel (skip to 6:00 ish): So you are accusing the Fed's for stockpiling?

What firewall?
RTT_Rules
I'm not accusing the Feds of stockpiling anything, just picking a fight.  Dan Tehan accused the States of failing to distribute the vaccine, and Hazard took great offence at learning NSW had been allocated 400,000 undistributed and unexpected doses less than 24 hours before Tehan was in the press blaming the states for the slower than "promised" Vaccine rollout.  It's all very unedifying.

But more concerning, blaming each other for not getting on tells me all I need to know about where both tiers of government think the vaccine rollout is heading.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Any suggestions / information greatly appreciated
doyle
Seriously, you're asking for critical medical advice on a rail forum? If you can't get the advice you need from your doctor(s) or local hospital, there's something seriously wrong with our health system. Oh, wait...
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The Federal Government is running the vaccination program perfectly. Ergo, any mistakes, delays, etc, must be the States’ fault.
(May be behind a paywall if you’ve used your 5 free articles)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/when-promises-don-t-match-reality-australia-s-troubled-vaccine-rollout-20210401-p57fyw.html

(A reader suggested that the Federal Government’s promise of 4 million vaccinations by 31 March, was one of the better April Fools' Day jokes.)
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Seriously, you're asking for critical medical advice on a rail forum? If you can't get the advice you need from your doctor(s) or local hospital, there's something seriously wrong with our health system. Oh, wait...
Graham4405

Conflicting advice is all I'm receiving, really asking for links even though it's the same google we all use, because I can find not much as expected,
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Planning homebody life anyway, all will be good.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
[quote=kitchgp]The Federal Government is running the vaccination program perfectly. Ergo, any mistakes, delays, etc, must be the States’ fault.
(May be behind a paywall if you’ve used your 5 free articles)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/when-promises-don-t-match-reality-australia-s-troubled-vaccine-rollout-20210401-p57fyw.html

(A reader suggested that the Federal Government’s promise of 4 million vaccinations by 31 March, was one of the better April Fools' Day jokes.)[/quote]
Kind of makes it hard to deliver when countries making the drug renege on previously put in place agreements.

Pfzier - cannot be made locally
AZ - is being made locally ramping up production.
Novax - will likely be approved shortly, however will not be made locally
J&J - same

Monderna, Spunik V and Sinopharm are likely to be added to the supply mix once they have been endorsed by WHO, for Sinopharm this should happen this month, for Spunik V, not sure and Monderna was supposed to have been approved in MArch. There are others. I expect by June the world will have multiple sources of vaccines and countries that have previously over ruled previous agreements will find their manufacturers at the end of queue.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-04/australia-covid19-vaccine-supply-gaps-void-to-be-filled/100043348

[size=1][i]CSL, the Australian company manufacturing the AstraZeneca vaccine, has been feverishly working behind the scenes to fill the void created by European supply chain issues; a major cause — but not the only one — of the slow start to the rollout.[/i][/size]

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[size=1][i]Now, it seems, Australia is almost solely reliant on that local manufacturing to inoculate the population, and that's without even mentioning Pacific neighbours such as Papua New Guinea calling for 1 million vaccines to help it through its own vicious outbreak.[/i][/size]

[size=1][i]It begs the question: where are all the other vaccines we were promised?[/i][/size]

[size=1][i]"We're trying to immunise the whole world at once," Professor Tony Cunningham, from Sydney's Westmead Institute, said.[/i][/size]

[size=1][i]"I think people need to be mindful of that. It's not easy. [/i][/size]

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[size=1][i][i]"But I am surprised by the European response , it's very strange," he said.[/i][/size]

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[size=1][i]"To date over 2.4 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been received by the Australian government," the spokesperson said.[/i][/size]
[size=1][i]"As new shipments of Pfizer and onshore-manufactured AstraZeneca are made available, they will be provided across Australia to vaccinate the population in line with the rollout plan."[/i][/size]
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Would it be fair to say that here in Australia most people are sitting back thinking

  • thank goodness for our health system
  • thank goodness we did not have a Trump style leadership that allowed the virus to run rampant
  • thank goodness we had severe lock downs that limited the spread of the disease
  • thank goodness we had a mostly compliant population that complied with the restrictions
  • thank goodness we could sit here all smug and superior thinking what a mess the US was?
then this appears on the ABC today:


(I have selectively quoted from the lengthy article)


Australia's current COVID-19 treatment options, and why the national death rate is so high

As Australia's vaccine rollout eases — slowly — into its second phase, experts are pausing to reflect on how far we've come with COVID-19 treatments and what the prospects are for saving more lives.
US-based Craig Rayner sits on the World Health Organization’s therapeutics committee for COVID-19.
"From a global view, we started off really with a mad dash to look for anything that we could re-purpose," said Dr Rayner, who is the president of integrated drug development at the company Certara.
Steven Tong is an infectious disease expert with Australia's Doherty Institute and one of the principal investigators in a trial gathering evidence on COVID-19 treatments.
He said experts had learnt a lot since Australia’s first case of the virus was confirmed back in January 2020.
“For patients that do end up in hospital now, we're better at treating COVID now than we were a year ago," Dr Tong said.
"There’s been a lot of evidence that has been developed over that time."
But experts agree more research is needed to improve treatments and save more lives.

While Australia has a substantially lower number of COVID-19 cases than most countries in the world, its death rate is much higher.
To date, Australia has recorded fewer than 30,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 909 deaths, putting its mortality rate at about 3 per cent.

The US, by comparison, has recorded 29.5 million confirmed cases and 537,200 deaths, meaning its mortality rate is roughly 1.8 per cent.
Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia's comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia's second wave, the virus hit nursing homes "really hard".
There, COVID-19 quickly spread within a frail population, already unwell with other conditions, and who were most vulnerable to dying from the disease.
This also happened very early on in the pandemic, when experts were still learning about the disease and how best to treat it.
Professor Kirkpatrick said if influenza infiltrated nursing homes at the same rate, there could likely be a similar number of deaths recorded.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia's comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia's second wave, the virus hit nursing homes "really hard".
There, COVID-19 quickly spread within a frail population, already unwell with other conditions, and who were most vulnerable to dying from the disease.
This also happened very early on in the pandemic, when experts were still learning about the disease and how best to treat it.
Professor Kirkpatrick said if influenza infiltrated nursing homes at the same rate, there could likely be a similar number of deaths recorded.

theanimal
Yes, but the detail here is key.

Most deaths were either early on when the global death rate was higher because as they say treatment stategies were still being developed and infecting a ship full of oldies

AND

Later on the virus got into the nursing homes in Vic and wasn't that long after the first wave so medical care on how to treat the virus had only matured so much.

Realistically, this is a story about nothing and really pointless being published.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner


Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia's comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia's second wave, the virus hit nursing homes "really hard".
There, COVID-19 quickly spread within a frail population, already unwell with other conditions, and who were most vulnerable to dying from the disease.
This also happened very early on in the pandemic, when experts were still learning about the disease and how best to treat it.
Professor Kirkpatrick said if influenza infiltrated nursing homes at the same rate, there could likely be a similar number of deaths recorded.

Yes, but the detail here is key.

Most deaths were either early on when the global death rate was higher because as they say treatment stategies were still being developed and infecting a ship full of oldies

AND

Later on the virus got into the nursing homes in Vic and wasn't that long after the first wave so medical care on how to treat the virus had only matured so much.

Realistically, this is a story about nothing and really pointless being published.
RTT_Rules
I would have though that the high level of deaths in nursing homes was worth noting. To me it was another example of the "experts" getting it completely wrong.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The Federal Government is running the vaccination program perfectly. Ergo, any mistakes, delays, etc, must be the States’ fault.
(May be behind a paywall if you’ve used your 5 free articles)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/when-promises-don-t-match...

(A reader suggested that the Federal Government’s promise of 4 million vaccinations by 31 March, was one of the better April Fools' Day jokes.)
kitchgp

Kind of makes it hard to deliver when countries making the drug renege on previously put in place agreements....................................
RTT_Rules
Why is that the States' fault?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia's comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia's second wave, the virus hit nursing homes "really hard".
There, COVID-19 quickly spread within a frail population, already unwell with other conditions, and who were most vulnerable to dying from the disease.
This also happened very early on in the pandemic, when experts were still learning about the disease and how best to treat it.
Professor Kirkpatrick said if influenza infiltrated nursing homes at the same rate, there could likely be a similar number of deaths recorded.

Yes, but the detail here is key.

Most deaths were either early on when the global death rate was higher because as they say treatment stategies were still being developed and infecting a ship full of oldies

AND

Later on the virus got into the nursing homes in Vic and wasn't that long after the first wave so medical care on how to treat the virus had only matured so much.

Realistically, this is a story about nothing and really pointless being published.I would have though that the high level of deaths in nursing homes was worth noting. To me it was another example of the "experts" getting it completely wrong.
theanimal
The whole article isn't worth publishing, basically says nothing new and starts off with a eye catching headline that's not even accurate.

Experts haven't got it wrong and I don't see how you could even imply this.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Federal Government is running the vaccination program perfectly. Ergo, any mistakes, delays, etc, must be the States’ fault.
(May be behind a paywall if you’ve used your 5 free articles)
https://www.theage.com.au/national/when-promises-don-t-match...

(A reader suggested that the Federal Government’s promise of 4 million vaccinations by 31 March, was one of the better April Fools' Day jokes.)

Kind of makes it hard to deliver when countries making the drug renege on previously put in place agreements....................................
Why is that the States' fault?
kitchgp
Why are the States blaming (playing politics) the Fed's for vaccines that the suppliers have defaulted on?

Surely this is something that shouldn't have gone past an email.

Hello SCOMO, Dan here, we need more vax.

Hi Dan, sorry, the Italian's have blocked the shipment, we are working on it, will let you know within a few days.

Hi SCOMO, bloody Italian's and we helped them in the war. Ok let us know any updates.

HI Dan, yep, good luck to them next time, will do.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The States were merely responding to unfounded criticism initiated by Greg Hunt and David Littleproud

...................

Hi SCOMO, bloody Italian's and we helped them in the war. Ok let us know any updates.

.............................................
RTT_Riles
Not during WW2. Rock Hudson helped them in WW1.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik

Dr Tong said the main reason for Australia's comparatively higher death rate was because during Australia's second wave, the virus hit nursing homes "really hard".
There, COVID-19 quickly spread within a frail population, already unwell with other conditions, and who were most vulnerable to dying from the disease.
This also happened very early on in the pandemic, when experts were still learning about the disease and how best to treat it.
Professor Kirkpatrick said if influenza infiltrated nursing homes at the same rate, there could likely be a similar number of deaths recorded.

Yes, but the detail here is key.

Most deaths were either early on when the global death rate was higher because as they say treatment stategies were still being developed and infecting a ship full of oldies

AND

Later on the virus got into the nursing homes in Vic and wasn't that long after the first wave so medical care on how to treat the virus had only matured so much.

Realistically, this is a story about nothing and really pointless being published.I would have though that the high level of deaths in nursing homes was worth noting. To me it was another example of the "experts" getting it completely wrong.The whole article isn't worth publishing, basically says nothing new and starts off with a eye catching headline that's not even accurate.

Experts haven't got it wrong and I don't see how you could even imply this.
RTT_Rules
OK it wasn't the experts who got it wrong, so was it the politicians or the bureaucrats?
It was certainly the 800 odd who died!
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

OK it wasn't the experts who got it wrong ,so was it the politicians or the bureaucrats?
It was certainly the 800 odd who died!
YM-Mundrabilla
Yes, if those selfish people had not died the stats would look so much better.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Even after vaccination, life won't return to normal:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/coronavirus-variants-mean-vaccination-cant-control-pandemic/100049682

Personally, I think we need to be less fearful and see it like Influenza.  It comes and goes, there are vaccinations, mutations, and it never goes away.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Even after vaccination, life won't return to normal:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/coronavirus-variants-mean-vaccination-cant-control-pandemic/100049682

Personally, I think we need to be less fearful and see it like Influenza.  It comes and goes, there are vaccinations, mutations, and it never goes away.
Carnot
Cannot be treated like the flu.

Its more deadly
it spread faster
The vaccines are only just becoming available and if wanted one now in most of the world its not that easy to get, Australia included. There are only a handful countries where the average Joe can get on demand without being in a high risk category.

The time will come when it can be treated like the flu, but not yet.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Just a question for my own understanding, am I to believe that no matter which variant of this Covid comes along, the vaccines will be more or less be able to "slap them all down" so to speak, is this correct?
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Carnot, I think the article you linked is honest.

Politicians need to prepare their populations and offer a realistic  picture that a covax jab is one of many tools needed to wipe out the covid and its 8 strains. They need to come clean and be honest - maybe after the next federal election?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Even after vaccination, life won't return to normal:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/coronavirus-variants-mean-vaccination-cant-control-pandemic/100049682

Personally, I think we need to be less fearful and see it like Influenza.  It comes and goes, there are vaccinations, mutations, and it never goes away.
Carnot

Personally, I think the most likely outcome from COVID will be a near permanent drop in average life expectancy across the 1st world to ~65.  COVID is ~100x more deadly than flu.  Like the common cold and effective vaccines, it will come and go, just like people.  As it already targets people well beyond child bearing age, it's hard to see the application of evolutionary selective pressure making it less virulent anytime soon.

It's only been in the last half century or so people have lived longer, so it will really just be a return to situation normal.  We should just be less fearful.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I copped a lot of abuse/skepticism about the effectiveness of Ivermectin earlier on this thread but it appears that Pfizer is now going to conduct its own trials as both a prophylaxis and a treatment. Also there's now 50 independent studies reporting positive effects of Ivermectin on COVID19 - Ivermection meta-study.

Wouldn't it be funny if the answer was a drug that was actually banned in this country as a treatment for COVID19? In fact you and your GP could both go to prison in Queensland if you used it.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Just a question for my own understanding, am I to believe that no matter which variant of this Covid comes along, the vaccines will be more or less be able to "slap them all down" so to speak, is this correct?
lsrailfan
mRNA vaccines, almost certainly yes, non mRNA vaccines, potentially not.

The news isn’t that bad though, and ANY vaccine is better than none, and in time the ‘variants’ will take longer to appear.

This virus propagates by entering a lung, a dividing itself to replicate up more virus particles for the host to breathe/cough out ready to infect the next person. Variants arrive when the virus either incorrectly divides, or incorrectly copies itself.

Everything is a probability, these faulty divides and copies happen relatively infrequently, and most of those faulty occurrences just result in that virus particle being a non event. SOMETIMES, these errors result in surviving copy that we call a ‘variant’, essentially the same thing, but with a minor error/difference from the original. Some of these variants could be an improvement, or a detriment depending on your perspective. Some of these variants are an improvement to the virus, these are the ones that medicos are interested in, the ‘more contagious’, ‘more dangerous’ etc, some variants are weaker and go nowhere, and medicos don’t even go looking for them/notice them.

So as ANY vaccine is given, and the virus has fewer and fewer to infect the production of the virus itself will slow, but more importantly, the corresponding number of chances for a viable ‘improved’ (from the virus’ point of view) variant will reduce.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I copped a lot of abuse/skepticism about the effectiveness of Ivermectin earlier on this thread but it appears that Pfizer is now going to conduct its own trials as both a prophylaxis and a treatment. Also there's now 50 independent studies reporting positive effects of Ivermectin on COVID19 - Ivermection meta-study.

Wouldn't it be funny if the answer was a drug that was actually banned in this country as a treatment for COVID19? In fact you and your GP could both go to prison in Queensland if you used it.
don_dunstan
The link is dead, but I have been watching the ‘papers’ on Ivermectin for maybe 6 months now, they’re showing ‘interesting’ results for sure, but none of the trials, if they’re even to be considered trials have been particularly large, properly randomised and next to none of them I can see as being peer reviewed.

The results look positive, but it’s like looking at a dice, seeing a 3 and concluding every number is likely to be a 3.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I copped a lot of abuse/skepticism about the effectiveness of Ivermectin earlier on this thread but it appears that Pfizer is now going to conduct its own trials as both a prophylaxis and a treatment. Also there's now 50 independent studies reporting positive effects of Ivermectin on COVID19 - Ivermection meta-study.

Wouldn't it be funny if the answer was a drug that was actually banned in this country as a treatment for COVID19? In fact you and your GP could both go to prison in Queensland if you used it.
The link is dead, but I have been watching the ‘papers’ on Ivermectin for maybe 6 months now, they’re showing ‘interesting’ results for sure, but none of the trials, if they’re even to be considered trials have been particularly large, properly randomised and next to none of them I can see as being peer reviewed.

The results look positive, but it’s like looking at a dice, seeing a 3 and concluding every number is likely to be a 3.
Aaron
Oh okay - I'll fix that later if I can find it again.

If Pfizer is finally coming around to it then there must be something there - I don't understand the bloody minded position of some state governments in having such draconian penalties for using the drug. Isn't the decision of treatment choice supposed to be between the doctor and their patient?

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