Ballarat Line upgrades underway

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 20 Nov 2017 12:49
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

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Here are a few photos of the turntable at Bacchus Marsh.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

All that has to be done is to remove the baulks on the turntable and it should be usable .  the motorised points in and signals were all commissioned as part of the final commissioning works at The Marsh.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Today I witnessed something that immediately made me think of Kuldalai's post yesterday in the Grain Harvest 20/21 thread.
He talked about using the rail and sleepers from the former Bungaree/Wallace loop to repair flood damaged track between Eaglehawk and Inglewood. https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2208286.htm#2208286

The loop is still physically connected to the mainline at the Melbourne end (don't know about the Ballarat end), however all 5 level crossings on this former loop have been removed. This means that the rail can no longer be quickly and economically recovered in long legs via a rail set.
The only way to recover it now is to cut it up into short lengths and truck it out.
Words fail me in considering the extreme shortsightedness of this.
If the state government's imperative to remove level crossings was paramount in this, the rail ought to have been recovered during the last shutdown. The approx. 15,200 metres of rail would fit on a single rail set. And while they're at it remove the mainline turnouts as soon as the rail set departs.
Cue my rant yesterday in the Sunbury Line Upgrade thread about not enough work being done during shutdowns.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Today I witnessed something that immediately made me think of Kuldalai's post yesterday in the Grain Harvest 20/21 thread.
He talked about using the rail and sleepers from the former Bungaree/Wallace loop to repair flood damaged track between Eaglehawk and Inglewood. https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2208286.htm#2208286

The loop is still physically connected to the mainline at the Melbourne end (don't know about the Ballarat end), however all 5 level crossings on this former loop have been removed. This means that the rail can no longer be quickly and economically recovered in long legs via a rail set.
The only way to recover it now is to cut it up into short lengths and truck it out.
Words fail me in considering the extreme shortsightedness of this.
If the state government's imperative to remove level crossings was paramount in this, the rail ought to have been recovered during the last shutdown. The approx. 15,200 metres of rail would fit on a single rail set. And while they're at it remove the mainline turnouts as soon as the rail set departs.
Cue my rant yesterday in the Sunbury Line Upgrade thread about not enough work being done during shutdowns.
Lockspike
The turnout has only been removed at the Dunnstown end, the turnout at the Gordon end remains for a short distance to the first level crossing as a stabling siding for maintenance equipment.

The 107 lb rail in that section is not CWR. So just undo the bolts and have the backhoe haul out to the nearest lx and load onto road tricks .
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Today I witnessed something that immediately made me think of Kuldalai's post yesterday in the Grain Harvest 20/21 thread.
He talked about using the rail and sleepers from the former Bungaree/Wallace loop to repair flood damaged track between Eaglehawk and Inglewood. https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2208286.htm#2208286

The loop is still physically connected to the mainline at the Melbourne end (don't know about the Ballarat end), however all 5 level crossings on this former loop have been removed. This means that the rail can no longer be quickly and economically recovered in long legs via a rail set.
The only way to recover it now is to cut it up into short lengths and truck it out.
Words fail me in considering the extreme shortsightedness of this.
If the state government's imperative to remove level crossings was paramount in this, the rail ought to have been recovered during the last shutdown. The approx. 15,200 metres of rail would fit on a single rail set. And while they're at it remove the mainline turnouts as soon as the rail set departs.
Cue my rant yesterday in the Sunbury Line Upgrade thread about not enough work being done during shutdowns.
The turnout has only been removed at the Dunnstown end, the turnout at the Gordon end remains for a short distance to the first level crossing as a stabling siding for maintenance equipment.

The 107 lb rail in that section is not CWR. So just undo the bolts and have the backhoe haul out to the nearest lx and load onto road tricks .
kuldalai
A stabling siding? In that relatively secluded location? Interesting. For about the last 20yrs, stabled track machines have been considered fair game. If you're lucky, they'll only nick the batteries.

Not CWR but Long Welded Rail, so still needs to be cut into short rails to be taken away; my point remains valid.
  richter170 Junior Train Controller

The turnout has only been removed at the Dunnstown end, the turnout at the Gordon end remains for a short distance to the first level crossing as a stabling siding for maintenance equipment.

The 107 lb rail in that section is not CWR. So just undo the bolts and have the backhoe haul out to the nearest lx and load onto road tricks.
Look let's clear this up, the rail is 94LB rail for the entire section Millbrook to Torpys Rd with the exception of 100 meters at each end of the former 1984 Bungaree Loop which was abolished in 2005 and straight railed.

All the section is CWR not jointed and the condition varies due to it being the former main line to Adelaide. There are a number of wheel burns, short welded in sections, rail dips, and curve wear on the entire section. It was all on wooden sleepers except for a small number of crossings. It couldn't be simply just removed and taken to another location without some cutting off crap sections and rewelding again.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

The turnout has only been removed at the Dunnstown end, the turnout at the Gordon end remains for a short distance to the first level crossing as a stabling siding for maintenance equipment.

The 107 lb rail in that section is not CWR. So just undo the bolts and have the backhoe haul out to the nearest lx and load onto road tricks.
Look let's clear this up, the rail is 94LB rail for the entire section Millbrook to Torpys Rd with the exception of 100 meters at each end of the former 1984 Bungaree Loop which was abolished in 2005 and straight railed.

All the section is CWR not jointed and the condition varies due to it being the former main line to Adelaide. There are a number of wheel burns, short welded in sections, rail dips, and curve wear on the entire section. It was all on wooden sleepers except for a small number of crossings. It couldn't be simply just removed and taken to another location without some cutting off crap sections and rewelding again.
richter170
From what I am reading here, I think salvaging some rail from this section of track is problematic at best.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

All the section is CWR not jointed and the condition varies due to it being the former main line to Adelaide. There are a number of wheel burns, short welded in sections, rail dips, and curve wear on the entire section. It was all on wooden sleepers except for a small number of crossings. It couldn't be simply just removed and taken to another location without some cutting off crap sections and rewelding again.
richter170
Dipped welds can be straightened. Wheel burns can repaired by wire feed welding or alumnothermic head repair. Battered rail ends can be cropped. Defects too great to repair can be cut out. Even curve worn rail can be re-used on lighter duty lines by transposing it. It's also useful for maintenance replacements in other curve worn rail (within condemnation limits, of course).

Remediation of cascaded rail ought to be routine.
  richter170 Junior Train Controller

11/04/2021


Brand new rail 60kg has been dropped off in long lengths at various locations between Ballan and Bacchus Marsh for major rerailing in the next shutdown in a few weeks.

Brand new 47kg/94lb on a rail train SSR operated was taken along the Marybourgh line from Ballarat today, for renewal at Creswick, Clunes and Daisy Hill on well worn curves.

Should remove a few speed restrictions on the Marybourgh line also next shutdown.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Finally we have some more 60 kg rails on the network.  I think originally only the section around Tottenham had them?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

11/04/2021


Brand new rail 60kg has been dropped off in long lengths at various locations between Ballan and Bacchus Marsh for major rerailing in the next shutdown in a few weeks.

Brand new 47kg/94lb on a rail train SSR operated was taken along the Marybourgh line from Ballarat today, for renewal at Creswick, Clunes and Daisy Hill on well worn curves.

Should remove a few speed restrictions on the Marybourgh line also next shutdown.
richter170
Just confirming, did you say 47kg rail for the Maryborough line? I am please so see the new rail, but I though 47 kg rail was being phased out in favour of 50kg. However I am happy to be corrected on this.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

11/04/2021


Brand new rail 60kg has been dropped off in long lengths at various locations between Ballan and Bacchus Marsh for major rerailing in the next shutdown in a few weeks.

Brand new 47kg/94lb on a rail train SSR operated was taken along the Marybourgh line from Ballarat today, for renewal at Creswick, Clunes and Daisy Hill on well worn curves.

Should remove a few speed restrictions on the Marybourgh line also next shutdown.
Just confirming, did you say 47kg rail for the Maryborough line? I am please so see the new rail, but I though 47 kg rail was being phased out in favour of 50kg. However I am happy to be corrected on this.
Duncs
Yes, 50kg is the replacement in the range. They must have talked Sanjeev into rolling some 47kg for them. It makes sense for short maintenance replacements.
  richter170 Junior Train Controller

The 47kg is stamped 2018 'one which normally indicates BHP produced it.

It was an entire train full that came from Spotswood John Holland.

I'm just glad they decided not to use the second hand Bungaree North line 47kg with heaps of thermit welds in it.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

The 47kg is stamped 2018 'one which normally indicates BHP produced it.

It was an entire train full that came from Spotswood John Holland.

I'm just glad they decided not to use the second hand Bungaree North line 47kg with heaps of thermit welds in it.
richter170
The quantity you mention suggests that 47kg may still be a preferred rail size for V Line /  Vic Track. They are the cutomer, so if they want it, the steel mill will make it for them.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The 47kg is stamped 2018 'one which normally indicates BHP produced it.

It was an entire train full that came from Spotswood John Holland.

I'm just glad they decided not to use the second hand Bungaree North line 47kg with heaps of thermit welds in it.
richter170
BHP hasn't produced steel since the 90's
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
So what's the deal with this shutdown for 10 days.

We have had the past 16 months with basically no one using the trains and now as
everyone is starting to return to the office they pull this 10 day shutdown with busses ?

Given they also just spent 500million updating the line why was this not sorted out then ?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
So what's the deal with this shutdown for 10 days.

We have had the past 16 months with basically no one using the trains and now as
everyone is starting to return to the office they pull this 10 day shutdown with busses ?

Given they also just spent 500million updating the line why was this not sorted out then ?
whoistheg

The clue might be found in some simple research. Don't forget, the recent mega$ upgrade did not address standard maintenance like speed restrictions through Melton etc. However I bet the 80Km/h Warrenheip bank restrictions remain.

https://www.vline.com.au/Service-Changes/Planned-Disruptions/2021/April/Ballarat,-Ararat-and-Maryborough-line-service-chan

We’re completing our annual program of major maintenance and renewal works on the Ballarat, Ararat and Maryborough lines from Tuesday 27 April to Friday 7 May

Mike.
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
And another 9 more days busses..

12th May to 20th May..

Mostly after 10pm but it looks like Friday 14th work day is impacted..


https://www.vline.com.au/Service-Changes/Planned-Disruptions/2021/April/Ballarat,-Ararat-and-Maryborough-line-service-May
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
However I bet the 80Km/h Warrenheip bank restrictions remain.
The Vinelander
I wouldn't be surprised if line speed is permanently made 80Km/h unless Bombardier can come up with an explanation as to why their train decided not to slow down going down the hill. It only applies on the down so UP trains remain unaffected.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

However I bet the 80Km/h Warrenheip bank restrictions remain.
I wouldn't be surprised if line speed is permanently made 80Km/h unless Bombardier can come up with an explanation as to why their train decided not to slow down going down the hill. It only applies on the down so UP trains remain unaffected.
jakar
Wait for the outcome of the ATSB  detailed investigation,  could be train, could be track, could be another reason; usually a combination of reasons.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

The 47kg is stamped 2018 'one which normally indicates BHP produced it.

It was an entire train full that came from Spotswood John Holland.

I'm just glad they decided not to use the second hand Bungaree North line 47kg with heaps of thermit welds in it.
BHP hasn't produced steel since the 90's
Nightfire
47kg used to be made at Port Kembla, BHP.  It had interesting properties due to a high manganese content and relatively small bending section.  This means that it needs to be well supported or it will easily bend/yield it creating conditions that look like medium and long wave corrugation (you could tamp it and it would look good but the 'bend' is still there and lose top relatively quickly).  The manganese content meant it work hardened on the running surface very well but is soft when installed.   Applied to a curve it could wear faster than it would harden and disappear in front of your eyes.   Yet hardened off on the surface had excellent wear properties.  So care and understanding required with new rail for it to settle in.  Care also required when rail grinding, removal of the work hardening could expose the softer material and on corrugation create very interesting and undesirable results.   Key was to make small changes with traffic in between and avoid trying rectify bad rail in one go.  

It was phased out and typically replaced with 50kg (from Whyalla, now onesteel) with different metallurgy and the same foot width.

The new 47kg rail would almost certainly come from Whyalla and have the same metallurgy as the 50kg made there.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Locomotive Fireman

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
However I bet the 80Km/h Warrenheip bank restrictions remain.
I wouldn't be surprised if line speed is permanently made 80Km/h unless Bombardier can come up with an explanation as to why their train decided not to slow down going down the hill. It only applies on the down so UP trains remain unaffected.
jakar
When the incident occurred last April it was wet and rainy, as mentioned by the ATSB's preliminary report. Previously trains had run at line speed along Warrenheip down the 1 in 52 just fine, afaik. Unless its impractical to implement, I think the restriction should only apply when the rails are wet?
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Unless its impractical to implement, I think the restriction should only apply when the rails are wet?
Lachlan's Train Channel
It wouldn't be practical to implement a TSR like that.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Unless its impractical to implement, I think the restriction should only apply when the rails are wet?
It wouldn't be practical to implement a TSR like that.
jakar
Declare it, just like a WOLO.
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Unless its impractical to implement, I think the restriction should only apply when the rails are wet?
It wouldn't be practical to implement a TSR like that.
Declare it, just like a WOLO.
Djebel
A WOLO has clearly defined temperatures and hours of operation. What parameters would you use and how would you determine and manage 'wet' rails? Heavy rainfall is actually better than light drizzle. I've had some pretty decent slides and wheel spin in the last two days just from dew on the tracks. Of course Bombardier could modify their braking system so that stopping the train becomes a higher priority than preventing wheel flats, and sand pipes in front of the bogies would also help a lot, then you could most likely get rid of the TSR anyway.

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