50 level crossings to be removed

 
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Somehow this hasn't been promoted widely; the third LX in Deer Park has been brought forward so that work will start by the end of this year and be complete by 2024. That leaves only two LX for completion in 2025, both related to the Cranbourne line and its duplication.

Mt Derrimut Rd

Neil
ngarner
It is a pre announcement announcement. The concept designs are due to be related for another week.

Melton Sparking may be on the horizon, now that all three crossing have been 'fast tracked'

Lockie

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  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

It is a pre announcement announcement. The concept designs are due to be related for another week.

Melton Sparking may be on the horizon, now that all three crossing have been 'fast tracked'

Lockie
Lockie91
The renders are already out there





more can be found here
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Somehow this hasn't been promoted widely; the third LX in Deer Park has been brought forward so that work will start by the end of this year and be complete by 2024. That leaves only two LX for completion in 2025, both related to the Cranbourne line and its duplication.

Mt Derrimut Rd

Neil
It is a pre announcement announcement. The concept designs are due to be related for another week.

Melton Sparking may be on the horizon, now that all three crossing have been 'fast tracked'

Lockie
Lockie91
How much does sparking cost per km ? Is there an average figure for a track that already exists in open fields like Deer Park to melton?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Somehow this hasn't been promoted widely; the third LX in Deer Park has been brought forward so that work will start by the end of this year and be complete by 2024. That leaves only two LX for completion in 2025, both related to the Cranbourne line and its duplication.

Mt Derrimut Rd

Neil
It is a pre announcement announcement. The concept designs are due to be related for another week.

Melton Sparking may be on the horizon, now that all three crossing have been 'fast tracked'

Lockie
How much does sparking cost per km ? Is there an average figure for a track that already exists in open fields like Deer Park to melton?
Tii
Back 10 years ago, 15km to Sunbury cost $270M.
Probably double that now.
For the 25km to Melton, not much change from $1B.

But, the lesson fron Sunbury is that Vline and Metro don't play nice together.

Ballarat is far busier than Bendigo.
Hence it not just electrify the existing line that is required, it's a new independant line for Vline.  Plans in somebody's bottom drawer to do that in stages.

cheers
John
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria



more can be found here
John.Z
Looks like there is plenty of space available for an extra 2 tracks to the south of the station.

Ross
  whoistheg Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
So where will Vline go ? on the left hand side ?

Will they need to build more bridges ? and why would they not plan and build this out now
  Tii Junior Train Controller

So where will Vline go ? on the left hand side ?

Will they need to build more bridges ? and why would they not plan and build this out now
whoistheg
Probably because planning amongst departments to save time/costs isn't part of policy.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am not a fan of the Deer Park design let me just get that out there.  There is plenty of space for rail under road at that location and given this is the Ballarat Line and more tracks would be required sooner than we think this is a stupid design which will cost more in the longer term.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How many tracks over the proposed bridge ?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
I am not a fan of the Deer Park design let me just get that out there.  There is plenty of space for rail under road at that location and given this is the Ballarat Line and more tracks would be required sooner than we think this is a stupid design which will cost more in the longer term.
bevans
Haven't we done this "not a fan" of skyrail, to death ???

Plenty of room on the south side for another bridge pair, when time comes to build it for Vline.
No platform access of course, why would you need one when there is already a Metro.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I am not a fan of the Deer Park design let me just get that out there.  There is plenty of space for rail under road at that location and given this is the Ballarat Line and more tracks would be required sooner than we think this is a stupid design which will cost more in the longer term.
bevans
Very constructive analysis here.

Given it is in the western suburbs, its soil formation is likely to be hard basalt and would be more expensive to do a rail under road solution, also adding an elevated track pair later is much cheaper than expanding a trench.

Reasons behind why St Albans was done in a trench was planned before the LXRA was formed, where elevated solution were not discussed as an alternative. Glenroy is a trench because despite the soil conditions, the terrain favoured the rail to dip as it is on a hill.

If it's on flat ground and the soil is gonna make trench a hell of a harder job to accomplish, then obviously elevated solution would be a better and cost effective design for the longer term.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

I am not a fan of the Deer Park design let me just get that out there.  There is plenty of space for rail under road at that location and given this is the Ballarat Line and more tracks would be required sooner than we think this is a stupid design which will cost more in the longer term.
bevans
Ok, I'll bite.
Of course it will cost more in the longer term. Building a viaduct, or a cutting, is more expensive than two extra tracks across a level crossing.
Given that the LXing is going no matter what, it will be cheaper, faster, and less disruptive to build two extra tracks on viaduct(s), than widen a cutting.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I am almost certain that the LXRA will have been instructed that any work to be done on the line from Sunshine to Melton will require the allowance for a further 2 tracks to be added on the Southern side in the future.

Both of the new stations at Rockbank and Cobblebank have been built with space for 2 new tracks on the Southern Side

When the Anderson Rd (Ballarat line) level crossing was removed back in 2012 (?) it also was done with provisions for a further 2 tracks on the Southern Side of the current line.

Planning for a new track pair South of the current line seems to be pretty consistent in this instance.


And for those playing at home, yes, it is a lot simpler to build a new bridge beside an existing one compared with widening a trench with an active rail line inside it.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Both of the new stations at Rockbank and Cobblebank have been built with space for 2 new tracks on the Southern Side
Gman_86
and Carolyn Springs, soon to be Deer Park, also spare room on the south.

Definitely a consistent plan.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Both of the new stations at Rockbank and Cobblebank have been built with space for 2 new tracks on the Southern Side
and Carolyn Springs, soon to be Deer Park, also spare room on the south.

Definitely a consistent plan.
justarider
Is planning ahead like that allowed under government policy Rolling Eyes?  Surely somebody must be sacked over this!
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

I am not a fan of the Deer Park design let me just get that out there.  There is plenty of space for rail under road at that location and given this is the Ballarat Line and more tracks would be required sooner than we think this is a stupid design which will cost more in the longer term.
bevans
If you take the time to look at the renders, you'll notice that 90% of the stations facilities are on one side. With the other side pretty bare with just lifts and ramps to ground. You'll also notice that the planned landscaping and parking is set back from the railway. As if there were plans to build another elevated section.

When the new track pair goes in, I imagine that the forecourt will be upgraded to what we have seen as part of CD9.

The design is not the stupid...

Lockie
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Agreed. It looks like they've done this to allow the outbound platform to be converted into an island.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Any news from out Frankston line way on how that is tracking for the 5 crossings there being sunk ? Can we expect a large construction blitz soon or in a spring shutdown for the final push. I expect it will take months??
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Any news from out Frankston line way on how that is tracking for the 5 crossings there being sunk ? Can we expect a large construction blitz soon or in a spring shutdown for the final push. I expect it will take months??
Tii
2 month bustitution in spring. Line and new stations by end 2021.
More info here Frankston Line update

This months construction here https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/edithvale-chelsea-bonbeach-construction-update-april-2021
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Exactly what's said above.

"Trains will run express through these stations until a two-month closure of the Frankston line beginning in Spring – the project’s major construction blitz"-LXRP

So that starts in roughly early September and finishes at the end of October, so those crossings will be gone soon. Station and landscaping will be finished off by the end of the year.

Also looks like Glenroy might also have a Spring blitz and finish major construction about the same time.

"Excavation of the rail trench will continue until October"-LXRP
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Which particular crossings on the Frankston line are we talking about here?

With the amount of crossings on that line on the list, and my knowledge being a bit thin when it comes to that part of town, I find the Frankston line crossing removals hard to follow.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Which particular crossings on the Frankston line are we talking about here?

With the amount of crossings on that line on the list, and my knowledge being a bit thin when it comes to that part of town, I find the Frankston line crossing removals hard to follow.
Gman_86
Argyle Ave Chelsea,  Bondi Rd Bon Beach,  Chelsea Rd Chelsea,  Edithvale Rd Edithvale, Lochiel Ave Edithvale, Swanpool Ave Chelsea.

A big trench to dig and rail in just 2 months. Project planning has come a long way in recent years.

cheers
John
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Thanks for that, After this, how many crossings will be left on the Frankston line (ignoring those that are already on the list)?

Knowing that after these ones there are still the Glenhuntly Rd/ Neerim Rd crossings scheduled to be removed, it feels like the Frankston line has been under a constant state of construction for the last 15 years.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Thanks for that, After this, how many crossings will be left on the Frankston line (ignoring those that are already on the list)?

Knowing that after these ones there are still the Glenhuntly Rd/ Neerim Rd crossings scheduled to be removed, it feels like the Frankston line has been under a constant state of construction for the last 15 years.
Gman_86
I count still another eleven. LXRA seems to have another 15 years of work backlogged.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Thanks for that, After this, how many crossings will be left on the Frankston line (ignoring those that are already on the list)?

Knowing that after these ones there are still the Glenhuntly Rd/ Neerim Rd crossings scheduled to be removed, it feels like the Frankston line has been under a constant state of construction for the last 15 years.
I count still another eleven. LXRA seems to have another 15 years of work backlogged.
justarider
Here's a neat summary across the whole Frankston corridor.

Once the LXRP has achieved all 75, Caulfield-Moorabbin will be level crossing free. Here's the list of the remaining crossings in groupings allocated to them.

  • You'll have Wickham and Highett roads crossings left at Highett.
  • The Cheltenham/Mentone project, left crossings at Latrobe street (community rejected to close it) and Warrigal road untouched.
  • You have the Parker road crossing at Parkdale.
  • There is the Mcdonald and Bear street level crossing at Mordialloc.
  • There is a station street crossing just south of the Mordialloc river
  • One at Lincoln parade at Aspendale.
  • Then finally just two level crossings both located in Seaford, one at Armstrong road, and the other at Station street.

In terms of priority from highest to lowest of remaining: Highett (Wickham/Highett Rds), Mentone (Warrigal road), Mordiollac (McDonald/Bear/Station street), Parkdale (Parkers road), Aspendale/Seaford (Lincoln Prd, Armstrong rd, Station street). Latrobe street is still in debate if that warrants a closure or not.

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