Echuca line upgrade

 
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
I know this has been discussed however is Trainorder working a big deal for a few trains per day?

What is the signalling system currently being used for the line out of Echuca via Kyabram?
There is none.  That line is now closed due to dodgy sleepers.  It was Train Order Working with attendance at both ends.
Carnot

What happened to maintenance cycles?

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  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

I don’t think Vline believe in maintenance cycles, instead advertising insertion of a couple of sleepers and a few spikes as an “upgrade”, to “improve safety”, etc.

Electronic Train Orders already seems to be going the way of ASW, which either had way too much money spent on it, or nowhere near enough.

Local drivers claim the Echuca line is about 20% concrete sleepers, but has many broken timber ones, and desperately needs at least one more good pass. At 40-50% concrete, you might look at improving speeds.

Existing train orders could be cheaply enhanced by a few CCTV cameras to monitor train complete; a few TPWS racks would improve safety for opposing moves (eg, Up Swan Hill train could get nearer one at Eaglehawk than Swan Hill). Or better still, use the axle counters on so many level crossings to install ATC!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Local drivers claim the Echuca line is about 20% concrete sleepers, but has many broken timber ones, and desperately needs at least one more good pass. At 40-50% concrete, you might look at improving speeds.
hbedriver
That's helpful info.  They did a whole lot of sleeper replacement between Elmore and Epsom last year.  Some of the sections now look Class 2M standard (i.e. the Huntly S-bend).  Others don't.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

There is none.  That line is now closed due to dodgy sleepers.  It was Train Order Working with attendance at both ends.

What happened to maintenance cycles?
GheringhapLoop
Wot???
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

I know this has been discussed however is Trainorder working a big deal for a few trains per day?

What is the signalling system currently being used for the line out of Echuca via Kyabram?
There is none.  That line is now closed due to dodgy sleepers.  It was Train Order Working with attendance at both ends.

What happened to maintenance cycles?
GheringhapLoop
V/line asks that you not use that sort of disgusting language on here Rolling EyesLaughing.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Local drivers claim the Echuca line is about 20% concrete sleepers, but has many broken timber ones, and desperately needs at least one more good pass. At 40-50% concrete, you might look at improving speeds.
That's helpful info.  They did a whole lot of sleeper replacement between Elmore and Epsom last year.  Some of the sections now look Class 2M standard (i.e. the Huntly S-bend).  Others don't.
Carnot
Anything happening out Echuca way other than the stations ? Sleepers all done?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Local drivers claim the Echuca line is about 20% concrete sleepers, but has many broken timber ones, and desperately needs at least one more good pass. At 40-50% concrete, you might look at improving speeds.
That's helpful info.  They did a whole lot of sleeper replacement between Elmore and Epsom last year.  Some of the sections now look Class 2M standard (i.e. the Huntly S-bend).  Others don't.
Anything happening out Echuca way other than the stations ? Sleepers all done?
Tii
Nope.  Not yet.  I suspect most of the work will be done next year.  Contract hasn't even been awarded yet for track upgrade.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Nope.  Not yet.  I suspect most of the work will be done next year.  Contract hasn't even been awarded yet for track upgrade.
Carnot

Incredible we are still talking on RP about getting this line finished after what seems like 5 years.  V/Line are seriously a joke.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Nope.  Not yet.  I suspect most of the work will be done next year.  Contract hasn't even been awarded yet for track upgrade.

Incredible we are still talking on RP about getting this line finished after what seems like 5 years.  V/Line are seriously a joke.
bevans
Timeline?

LNP Govt announced upgrade to 100 km/h by 2013 in 2011.  New LX booms and lights and that was it... line speed still 75 km/h.

ALP Govt announced some resleepering etc in 2015-ish.  Line speed still 75 km/h.

RRV announced in 2017 - Upgrade to 130 km/h by 2019.  Instead we saw a third of the line TSR'ed to 50 km/h due to poor sleeper condition.  Token line speed increase to 80 km/h for V/los eventually.

More announcements in 2020, mainly new stations.  Cost nearly doubled.  Perhaps a speed upgrade by 2022, although no real commitments made...
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Nope.  Not yet.  I suspect most of the work will be done next year.  Contract hasn't even been awarded yet for track upgrade.

Incredible we are still talking on RP about getting this line finished after what seems like 5 years.  V/Line are seriously a joke.
Timeline?

LNP Govt announced upgrade to 100 km/h by 2013 in 2011.  New LX booms and lights and that was it... line speed still 75 km/h.

ALP Govt announced some resleepering etc in 2015-ish.  Line speed still 75 km/h.

RRV announced in 2017 - Upgrade to 130 km/h by 2019.  Instead we saw a third of the line TSR'ed to 50 km/h due to poor sleeper condition.  Token line speed increase to 80 km/h for V/los eventually.

More announcements in 2020, mainly new stations.  Cost nearly doubled.  Perhaps a speed upgrade by 2022, although no real commitments made...
Carnot
This project has really gone off the rails- literally. Of all the good things done elsewhere, this one is quite pathetic.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Nope.  Not yet.  I suspect most of the work will be done next year.  Contract hasn't even been awarded yet for track upgrade.

Incredible we are still talking on RP about getting this line finished after what seems like 5 years.  V/Line are seriously a joke.
Timeline?

LNP Govt announced upgrade to 100 km/h by 2013 in 2011.  New LX booms and lights and that was it... line speed still 75 km/h.

ALP Govt announced some resleepering etc in 2015-ish.  Line speed still 75 km/h.

RRV announced in 2017 - Upgrade to 130 km/h by 2019.  Instead we saw a third of the line TSR'ed to 50 km/h due to poor sleeper condition.  Token line speed increase to 80 km/h for V/los eventually.

More announcements in 2020, mainly new stations.  Cost nearly doubled.  Perhaps a speed upgrade by 2022, although no real commitments made...
This project has really gone off the rails- literally. Of all the good things done elsewhere, this one is quite pathetic.
Tii
The long drawn out Echuca Line upgrade dating back to VLP conning Mulder in 2011 is a dmning endightment on both VLP and  State Liberal & Labour Governments.  Now we are promised an increased line speed and three return services on Weekends.  BUT after 5 years the current Governemnt has still not let a contract for the track upgrade or the much vaunted electronic Train Orders.  NSW has a very successful Electronic train orders system so why we dont just adopt that and get on with it ?  But knowing Victoria and VLP we are no doubt wasting time and $  trying to re-invent the wheel or accredit the NSW system for use in Victoria. Millions spend on all the lx upgardes, redecking bridhes and putting in a lot of concrete sleepers and what have we got after 10 years  still one return service on Weekdays and 80kmh line speed - pathetic on all counts.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The long drawn out Echuca Line upgrade dating back to VLP conning Mulder in 2011 is a dmning endightment on both VLP and  State Liberal & Labour Governments.  Now we are promised an increased line speed and three return services on Weekends.  BUT after 5 years the current Governemnt has still not let a contract for the track upgrade or the much vaunted electronic Train Orders.  NSW has a very successful Electronic train orders system so why we dont just adopt that and get on with it ?  But knowing Victoria and VLP we are no doubt wasting time and $  trying to re-invent the wheel or accredit the NSW system for use in Victoria. Millions spend on all the lx upgardes, redecking bridhes and putting in a lot of concrete sleepers and what have we got after 10 years  still one return service on Weekdays and 80kmh line speed - pathetic on all counts.
kuldali
Probably a hell of a lot worse description could be used, this lines condition hasn't really changed since 2008-9 when the daughter was at uni in Bendigo Twisted Evil

BigShunter.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some significant news yesterday:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/not-long-goornong

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/high-tech-rail-upgrades-track-bendigo-and-echuca

Contracts awarded for new Stations (Symal Infrastructure), ETO system (Wabtec), and V/line will do the line upgrade - initially Epsom to Goornong to increase track speed.

And I honestly hope this is a typo:
"Federal Member for Nicholls Damian Drum said the ETO system will also provide improved service outcomes for freight by enabling one return service each week between Melbourne and Deniliquin, and Melbourne and Piangil."

Surely he meant one return freight per day on each line, and not one per week?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Surely he meant one return freight per day on each line, and not one per week?
Carnot
We should hope so.

Is it just me, or there is an increased workload on the work experience spin-doctor.
A few recent minor "mistakes" with big meaning if they are actually correct.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

This line upgrade to Echuca has gone on longer than Days of our Lives soap opera
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This line upgrade to Echuca has gone on longer than Days of our Lives soap opera
Tii

I am clueless given the low number of trains why we would spend any money a new signalling system between Echuca and Bendigo?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

At least the level crossing upgrades are needed to better protect drivers' lives no matter how few trains use them.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
This line upgrade to Echuca has gone on longer than Days of our Lives soap opera

I am clueless given the low number of trains why we would spend any money a new signalling system between Echuca and Bendigo?
bevans
Most of the time it would be only one train on the line at any time.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
You all need to remember that V/Line has been run for years by a Board which had nobody with any experience of running a railway. There were Corporate Managers of everything from measuring the flushing rate of toilets to the correct way of tying boot laces. Where were the Chief Mechanical Engineer, the Chief Civil Engineer et al? (Come out the boy who said "who are they?")

As Djebel intimated earlier, the words "maintenance cycles" are considered as heresy, or the hint to form a task force to look into the maintenance of railway bicycles. They're probably still working on finding these elusive machines. Look out for the report in the autumn of 2029.


Add to this the fact that successive governments have been allowed to get away with doing the proverbial "three-fifths of five-eighths" for years, and the disaster recipe is complete. Reheat and stir; serves thousands.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I know where at least one 'railway bike' went.
It was used for years by the Foreman at 7 Road North Dynon until some person or person of malicious intent put it on an Adelaide Goods train one day ............... Smile
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
You all need to remember that V/Line has been run for years by a Board which had nobody with any experience of running a railway. There were Corporate Managers of everything from measuring the flushing rate of toilets to the correct way of tying boot laces. Where were the Chief Mechanical Engineer, the Chief Civil Engineer et al? (Come out the boy who said "who are they?")

As Djebel intimated earlier, the words "maintenance cycles" are considered as heresy, or the hint to form a task force to look into the maintenance of railway bicycles. They're probably still working on finding these elusive machines. Look out for the report in the autumn of 2029.

Add to this the fact that successive governments have been allowed to get away with doing the proverbial "three-fifths of five-eighths" for years, and the disaster recipe is complete. Reheat and stir; serves thousands.
Valvegear
I know where at least one 'railway bike' went.
It was used for years by the Foreman at 7 Road North Dynon until some person or persons of malicious intent put it on an Adelaide Goods train one day ............... https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Looking at the track between Epsom and Goornong yesterday while waiting for the A2 to thunder through, the ballast certainly needs significant renewal (it's more clay and gravel than rock at present), and quite a few broken/life-expired timber sleepers (maybe up to 1 in 4) as well.

At least V/line are finally going to speed it up after track upgrades soon...

Anyway, community consultation feedback report here FWIW:
https://regionalrailrevival.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/529052/What-We-Heard-Report-Bendigo-Stations.pdf
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner


I am clueless given the low number of trains why we would spend any money a new signalling system between Echuca and Bendigo?
bevans
On the contrary, given how risk averse modern railway managers are, it's amazing that the paper based Train Order system has been perpetuated.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Echuca Line to be shutdown from August 31 to Nov 1 according to PTV website.

Either the Deni rice and grain trains won't happen, or the Toolamba line will need reopening...
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
On the subject of signalling have they forgotten how to place a coloured signal to block a section ?  

The costs for yet another system seem a lot higher than some communications and a few signal posts and a software change at Bendigo panel ?

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