$2.1 Billion Sunbury Line Upgrade

 
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

From the RPV Sunbury website....
Works include:
  • removal of the Gap Road level crossing in Sunbury, in a partnership with the Level Crossing Removal Project
  • power upgrades between Sunbury and the Metro Tunnel entrance near South Kensington station
  • Platform extensions from Sunbury to Footscary.
  • installation of wheelchair boarding at eight stations
  • upgrades to stabling at Sunbury, Calder Park and Watergardens
With another 2 years of works to go, how much of this is done? The stabling so far I think, power upgrades ongoing but any platform extensions yet ? Im guessing most parts will be done in the next 12 months leaving The Gap road LX to round it out to 2023.
Tii
  • Gap Road has been brought forward to be finished 2022/23
  • Currently there are four new substations under construction. Footscray, Tottenham, Albion, Calder Park. This is in addition to upgrades at existing substations at Keilor Plans, Watergardens, Holden Road, Jacksons Creek & Sunbury.
  • New OLE has been installed between the Western Portal and Albion, with masts in place between Sunshine & Watergardens. Watergardens to Sunbury is just having foundations sunk, I suspect that masts will go up in the next shut down; with wires strung from Albion to Watergardens.
  • Platform Extensions have been completed at Footscray, Middle Footscray, West Footscray (New Platform 1), Tottenham and Sunshine. Watergardens & Sunbury are more complicated due to track work and stabling.
  • Stabling at Watergardens is under construction, nearing completion. Calder Park stage 2 is complete, with works seemingly happening on stage 3 (this is not clearly visible when travelling past) Driver facilities are also under construction. There was originally talk of Calder Park being a Light Maintenance Facility (Bio Wash, graffiti removal, etc), not sure if this is still going ahead.
  • Sunbury stabling has yet to begin, due to space constraints. The entire station is being moved 50m in the UP to allow the roads to be lengthened. This being due to the heritage listed blue stone bridge abutting the down end. This will have the UP ends of the platform sitting just before the Gap Road underpass.
In addition to what you have listed above, a new CSR (combined services route) is being installed between Footscray & Sunbury.

Signalling rooms are under construction at the Western Portal, with small 'huts' installed at West Footscray & Tottenham.
Platform humps and additional shelter is also being installed at all station to allow step free boarding to the leading car.

I suspect most work will have finish up late this year yearly next. However the majority of the $2.1B was not expected to flow until 2022 according the the 2019 budget papers. Leads me to believe that more works are yet to be announced. What that may be I'm not sure. A new Keillor Plans & Albion station would be nice.

Lockie

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  Tii Locomotive Driver

From the RPV Sunbury website....
Works include:
  • removal of the Gap Road level crossing in Sunbury, in a partnership with the Level Crossing Removal Project
  • power upgrades between Sunbury and the Metro Tunnel entrance near South Kensington station
  • Platform extensions from Sunbury to Footscary.
  • installation of wheelchair boarding at eight stations
  • upgrades to stabling at Sunbury, Calder Park and Watergardens
With another 2 years of works to go, how much of this is done? The stabling so far I think, power upgrades ongoing but any platform extensions yet ? Im guessing most parts will be done in the next 12 months leaving The Gap road LX to round it out to 2023.
  • Gap Road has been brought forward to be finished 2022/23
  • Currently there are four new substations under construction. Footscray, Tottenham, Albion, Calder Park. This is in addition to upgrades at existing substations at Keilor Plans, Watergardens, Holden Road, Jacksons Creek & Sunbury.
  • New OLE has been installed between the Western Portal and Albion, with masts in place between Sunshine & Watergardens. Watergardens to Sunbury is just having foundations sunk, I suspect that masts will go up in the next shut down; with wires strung from Albion to Watergardens.
  • Platform Extensions have been completed at Footscray, Middle Footscray, West Footscray (New Platform 1), Tottenham and Sunshine. Watergardens & Sunbury are more complicated due to track work and stabling.
  • Stabling at Watergardens is under construction, nearing completion. Calder Park stage 2 is complete, with works seemingly happening on stage 3 (this is not clearly visible when travelling past) Driver facilities are also under construction. There was originally talk of Calder Park being a Light Maintenance Facility (Bio Wash, graffiti removal, etc), not sure if this is still going ahead.
  • Sunbury stabling has yet to begin, due to space constraints. The entire station is being moved 50m in the UP to allow the roads to be lengthened. This being due to the heritage listed blue stone bridge abutting the down end. This will have the UP ends of the platform sitting just before the Gap Road underpass.
In addition to what you have listed above, a new CSR (combined services route) is being installed between Footscray & Sunbury.

Signalling rooms are under construction at the Western Portal, with small 'huts' installed at West Footscray & Tottenham.
Platform humps and additional shelter is also being installed at all station to allow step free boarding to the leading car.

I suspect most work will have finish up late this year yearly next. However the majority of the $2.1B was not expected to flow until 2022 according the the 2019 budget papers. Leads me to believe that more works are yet to be announced. What that may be I'm not sure. A new Keillor Plans & Albion station would be nice.

Lockie
Lockie91
Ooh that is powering along then much quicker than I thought on the various sites. Good in any case and if the bulk is done other than GAP road by early 2022 then great. If it is done by 2022/2023, then the HCMTs can continue on from Cranbourne through to Sunbury prior to the tunnel opening, cascading the old sets to another line. Thx for the update. I'm longing for late 2022 when I can catch a train/Vline/or drive somewhere without too much hassle seeing what's running/closed/bussed each time.
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

The Sunbury station moving 50 metres in the UP direction would mean it’s pretty much on Gap Rd, another reason why it’s being removed.

I’m not entirely sure what you mean by ‘combined services route’. Do you mean express and SAS?
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

The Sunbury station moving 50 metres in the UP direction would mean it’s pretty much on Gap Rd, another reason why it’s being removed.

I’m not entirely sure what you mean by ‘combined services route’. Do you mean express and SAS?
Jordy33
CSR - Combined services route, is for all your services. Power, Fiber optics, communications, signalling.

In years gone past, individual services would be installed ad hoc in the railway environment. Now it's all grouped together out of the way (generally to one side of the railway). Additional conduits are also installed to future proof the route, if additional services need to be run at a later date.

Lockie
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@Til I very much doubt the line will see HCMTs before the tunnel opens at it would require upgrading the track from South Kensington to the City Loop.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

@Til I very much doubt the line will see HCMTs before the tunnel opens at it would require upgrading the track from South Kensington to the City Loop.
railblogger
They're gonna struggle to have 38 HCMTs ready by 2025 (needed for full Pakenham/Cranbourne coverage) let alone 65. Still haven't seen in one service yet catch the train 3-4x a week.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@Til I very much doubt the line will see HCMTs before the tunnel opens at it would require upgrading the track from South Kensington to the City Loop.
They're gonna struggle to have 38 HCMTs ready by 2025 (needed for full Pakenham/Cranbourne coverage) let alone 65. Still haven't seen in one service yet catch the train 3-4x a week.
John.Z
There are 4 in service apparently. Your chances of seeing one would be very low until around 20 are in service.
  Tii Locomotive Driver

@Til I very much doubt the line will see HCMTs before the tunnel opens at it would require upgrading the track from South Kensington to the City Loop.
They're gonna struggle to have 38 HCMTs ready by 2025 (needed for full Pakenham/Cranbourne coverage) let alone 65. Still haven't seen in one service yet catch the train 3-4x a week.
There are 4 in service apparently. Your chances of seeing one would be very low until around 20 are in service.
railblogger
I did see one at Southern Cross 2 weeks ago while waiting on the Vline to Bendigo. Must have been a fluke or just on test
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Saw and caught one yesterday - 9011.

Door issues at Carnegie and Huntingdale (train stopped at what I can tell was the correct position, everything went red, 30-40 seconds later there was a reset then the station would be announced [via the automated announcements] again then doors would finally unlock).

The automated announcements were crystal clear but any PA announcement was inaudible and no it wasn't a language barrier.

Apart from that, very nice ride/very nice trains.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

They're in service but you pretty much have to be a train-spotter to catch one because they're not running ordinary services yet. The HCMT appreciation page on Facebook is one way. I think you can also deduce it from the timetable because they stick out from the normal 10 minute service frequency.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

They might as well bypass the door side authorization mechanism altogether.  There will always be passengers who press the door button before the train comes to a complete halt.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Press and hold once the train has stopped until the doors are released, it's the quickest way off an X'Trap.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Press and hold once the train has stopped until the doors are released, it's the quickest way off an X'Trap.
Heihachi_73
The beauty of the X'trap is that you can hold it whilst the train is still moving.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

@Til I very much doubt the line will see HCMTs before the tunnel opens at it would require upgrading the track from South Kensington to the City Loop.
They're gonna struggle to have 38 HCMTs ready by 2025 (needed for full Pakenham/Cranbourne coverage) let alone 65. Still haven't seen in one service yet catch the train 3-4x a week.
John.Z
Since this thread has gone astray.

I believe there is about 20 units at Pakenham east, another couple being assembled at Newport. So almost half the 65 have already been delivered. 4 or 5 are in 'active' service, which at this stage doesn't seem to be running the timetable. Just additional services during the day.

If they can get the testing and commissioning organised, they should be able to commission most of the 20 units this year, while running testing on the incoming units. There has been no mentioned of any delays from PRC due to COVID19, COVID has helped testing with Metro shutting the Pakenham line most nights to run mass testings.

They should have no issues meeting the 65 by 2025.

Let's keep the talk of HCMTs in the HCMT thread, it's going to be some time before the cross the Yarra.

Lockie
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Since this thread has gone astray.

I believe there is about 20 units at Pakenham east, another couple being assembled at Newport. So almost half the 65 have already been delivered. 4 or 5 are in 'active' service, which at this stage doesn't seem to be running the timetable. Just additional services during the day.

If they can get the testing and commissioning organised, they should be able to commission most of the 20 units this year, while running testing on the incoming units. There has been no mentioned of any delays from PRC due to COVID19, COVID has helped testing with Metro shutting the Pakenham line most nights to run mass testings.

They should have no issues meeting the 65 by 2025.

Let's keep the talk of HCMTs in the HCMT thread, it's going to be some time before the cross the Yarra.

Lockie
Lockie91
Getting HCMTs ready for service is what the $2.1B is being spent on. It's entirely relevant. As for the yarra, I believe they cross it twice each trip, once from south yarra to richmond, then again from richmond back to south yarra.

It's all well and good that they've got 20 units parked at Pakenham East, how many drove there by themselves and not in a consist with a diesel train. 0. Still running extra services is political spin for not reliable enough for Metro to commit to proper service (Metro don't want to pay the fine every time a service gets canned when a HCMT goes out of service due to a fault). There are no HCMTs running in regular service, and you think they'll have all 65 ready by 2025? The 20 at Pak East are models to gawk at. If they're ready, they should be in service.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Since this thread has gone astray.

I believe there is about 20 units at Pakenham east, another couple being assembled at Newport. So almost half the 65 have already been delivered. 4 or 5 are in 'active' service, which at this stage doesn't seem to be running the timetable. Just additional services during the day.

If they can get the testing and commissioning organised, they should be able to commission most of the 20 units this year, while running testing on the incoming units. There has been no mentioned of any delays from PRC due to COVID19, COVID has helped testing with Metro shutting the Pakenham line most nights to run mass testings.

They should have no issues meeting the 65 by 2025.

Let's keep the talk of HCMTs in the HCMT thread, it's going to be some time before the cross the Yarra.

Lockie
Getting HCMTs ready for service is what the $2.1B is being spent on. It's entirely relevant. As for the yarra, I believe they cross it twice each trip, once from south yarra to richmond, then again from richmond back to south yarra.

It's all well and good that they've got 20 units parked at Pakenham East, how many drove there by themselves and not in a consist with a diesel train. 0. Still running extra services is political spin for not reliable enough for Metro to commit to proper service (Metro don't want to pay the fine every time a service gets canned when a HCMT goes out of service due to a fault). There are no HCMTs running in regular service, and you think they'll have all 65 ready by 2025? The 20 at Pak East are models to gawk at. If they're ready, they should be in service.
John.Z

All of them will travel to Pakenham in a consist, they are assembled at Newport. Testing and commissioning is done it Pakenham.

The political spin, was pushing one into service last year so CRRC could meet their contract deadline. With no election until 2022, there is nothing in it for the government. Just let CRRC sort it out and hope that there are plenty of them riding the rails by November 2022.

They seem to be having major issues with the ASDO beacons on the track and the set not reading these correctly. This is causing issues with the doors not opening at the platforms and the driver having to manually override this. E008 & E0011 are marked as in service as per Vicsig, thus was however last updated in Feb.

There is an entire HCMT thread, where all of this has been covered ad lib.

Lockie
  Tii Locomotive Driver

Anything much happening out Sunbury Line way recently?
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Anything much happening out Sunbury Line way recently?
Tii
Thanks @Tii, didn't realise that I was such a reliable source of information.

Not a lot of major movement after the May shutdown, most notably is the installation of an additional turn out just prior to Gap Road in Sunbury along with the installation of a small section of track. I assume this section of newly installed track will be linked to Platform 2 once the Gap Road LX is removed.

Platform foundations have also been installed at Sunbury station for platform extension works. The state government also provided $10 million for an upgrade of the Sunbury Bus Interchange, currently circa 1980's. Lastly service investigation works are taking place around Sunbury Station for the new multi deck car park (construction starting this year) as well as for the LX removal due to kick off early 2022.

Not much action at Calder Park, all the new track work is still in pieces. Construction activities continue to take place behind the new built roads, not sure what is going on here. Victrack owns a massive amount of land here. The construction of a new substations and some buildings (maybe driver facilities) is progressing.

Watergardens has seen the installation of a raised boarding hump, and overhead equipment. The majority of the new OLE has been installed between Watergardens and the Western Portal.

Between the portal and Watergardens, the only activity is for the new or upgraded substations at Footscray, Tottenham, Albion, St Albans and Keilor Plans. Expect for West Footscray which had over signal gantries installed in May.

Another small shutdown coming up for Queen Birthday, I don't expect anything big. The majority of this upgrade is signalling and power upgrades.

Lockie
  Tii Locomotive Driver

Anything much happening out Sunbury Line way recently?
Thanks @Tii, didn't realise that I was such a reliable source of information.

......

Another small shutdown coming up for Queen Birthday, I don't expect anything big. The majority of this upgrade is signalling and power upgrades.

Lockie
Lockie91
@Lockie91 , your welcome. I think you obviously have sensible insight and info rather than much of the froth and speculation here at times by others and that aren't achievable in the short term given the planned staging/funding of the network overhaul in the next 5 years or so.

So it's all plodding along as planned without too much fanfare is the summary I guess. Thanks.
  Op Kronos Station Master

Looking at Nearmap, there is an additional short section of track that breaks off the track leading to both the roads furthest from the Sunbury line (the three that are currently used) and the three that were recently built https://flic.kr/p/2m6dRuV


Tracing out an imaginary line, you can see that it leads to the current materials storage area which based on the shape of the land cleared out, makes more think that eventually there will be more roads added there (I would guess maybe 9 or even 12 more? and might be the location of the planned light maintenance facility). https://flic.kr/p/2m6hH5D
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Interesting shots, Op Kronos. Somewhere in the various locations Sunbury updates are posted I came across the information that the eventual plan is for a 12 road yard

Neil
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

How much of the previous electrification infrastructure has been useable ? The section St Albans-Watergardens was electrified in 2002, so the structures only 19 years old, the section to Sunbury in 2012, and the grade separations at Ginifer and St Albans in 2016. Are the overhead upgrades between Sunshine and Albion compatible with the Airport Rail link or will much of it have to be ripped out and replaced in a few months time because of Victoria's lack of intergrated planning?
  GaryAblett5 Beginner

Will there be anything significant out of this $ 2.1 billion upgrade, other than just changing the stanchions, wiring, substations and signalling. It seems all boring for this amount of money. Perth got an airport rail link (tunnel + 3 stations) for the same price.

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