Commuters furious as V/Line changes Bendigo timetable

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 29 Apr 2021 11:02
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It does seem odd there is no early train unlike the Geelong and Ballarat Lines how easy would it be to fix this?

Commuters furious as V/Line changes Bendigo timetable

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

It does seem odd there is no early train unlike the Geelong and Ballarat Lines how easy would it be to fix this?

Commuters furious as V/Line changes Bendigo timetable
bevans
A few points and observations:

- The first Up train to Bendigo is a bit on the late side tbh.  And overcrowding does occur especially with school kids using it a lot.
- Lots of late Epsom trains get shortened to terminate in Bendigo.  That's a problem that needs fixing.
- Times have blown out 10 minutes on many peak services due to Sunbury line and also SCS congestion (especially those that use the flyover).

Other timetable changes have been quite good tbh.  i.e. The second Up train gets in before 9am now. And more consistent times during the day too.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It does seem odd there is no early train unlike the Geelong and Ballarat Lines how easy would it be to fix this?

Commuters furious as V/Line changes Bendigo timetable
A few points and observations:

- The first Up train to Bendigo is a bit on the late side tbh.  And overcrowding does occur especially with school kids using it a lot.
- Lots of late Epsom trains get shortened to terminate in Bendigo.  That's a problem that needs fixing.
- Times have blown out 10 minutes on many peak services due to Sunbury line and also SCS congestion (especially those that use the flyover).

Other timetable changes have been quite good tbh.  i.e. The second Up train gets in before 9am now. And more consistent times during the day too.
Carnot
I have posted about my experiences with the new TT elsewhere but here goes.

The new TT is absolute rubbish for late afternoon / early evening Up pax with the PM Up Swan Hill departing CME at 4.28 followed by an all stopping Velo at 4.49 (yep, 21 minutes on the TT but less in reality as the N class is pretty much always late and has to run into 2 road for a cross)

The next service is around an hour later. The Schoolies must be LOVING bouncing around in an N set as opposed to their previous limited express Velocity hauled service

The padded out TT is a joke too, the 4.49 Up all stopper regularly runs 7+ minutes early into Footscray, granted it might suffer some congestion into Southern Cross but it is just lazy timetabling designed to stop V/Line getting fined IMO

I can't see how any of the works currently underway can give any hope of an improvement to the Bendigo line TT and the long talked about 20/40/5 plan seems like it will be many, many years away.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

They run the Up Swan Hill a bit later because they were having trouble with turnaround times in Swan Hill on Heat WOLO days.  And too many LX crossing speed restrictions from Eaglehawk to Swan Hill have seen times blow out on that service too.

March 2021 performance was quite good in terms of very few late trains compared to the old timetable.  Why?  They've padded out the timetable and terminate lots of late-running Epsom trains in Bendigo to make the numbers look good.  Shameless.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

LX speed restrictions for loco-hauled trains?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

LX speed restrictions for loco-hauled trains?
route14
Yes.  Heaps of 60 km/h restrictions North of Bendigo for Swan Hill pass trains.  Around 24 crossings, I kid you not.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@bevans I worked it out a while back. It's due to the single track north if Kyneton. Any earlier service would collide head on with a peak hour service around Malmsbury.

I think the line as a whole needs a major upgrade. Duplication Kyneton-Eaglehawk/Huntly (including upgrade of passing loops for 160km/h running). Upgrade Sunbury-Kyneton east line to 160km/h running to allow standardised operations on that section. Extra stabling at Kyneton for more short starters. RRL signalling upgrade to cope with the additional trains. Platform extensions at Clarkefield and Malmsbury (and reinstatement of the former Platform 1 at Malmsbury) to fit six-car trains. New light maintenance facility at Ravenswood to complete the current Ballarat and under-construction Waurn Ponds facility. Address WOLOs on the Swan Hill line. More trains.

Quite expensive I know, but I can't think of another way forward.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
LX speed restrictions for loco-hauled trains?
Yes.  Heaps of 60 km/h restrictions North of Bendigo for Swan Hill pass trains.  Around 24 crossings, I kid you not.
Carnot
That is completely unacceptable. Having used to live in Swan Hill (thank god I no longer live there) up until 2010, the trains were always fairly quick and on time.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
LX speed restrictions for loco-hauled trains?
Yes.  Heaps of 60 km/h restrictions North of Bendigo for Swan Hill pass trains.  Around 24 crossings, I kid you not.
That is completely unacceptable. Having used to live in Swan Hill (thank god I no longer live there) up until 2010, the trains were always fairly quick and on time.
cbinyon

It's all because of the line of sight issues for the driver and unprotected crossings between Raywood and Swan Hill.

The worst thing, compared to the same issue between Sale and Bairnsdale is the old N class on the Swan Hill line has a lousy power to weight ratio whereas on the Bairnsdale line the V'Locity's are back up to 'speed' much faster, however of course there are a few N class hauled trains remaining on the Bairnsdale line as well.

Mike.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

but I thought LX speed limits only applied to DMU?
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

Bairnsdale line speed restrictions for level crossings are to give drivers of V’locity trains time to escape if a crash is imminent. Those on the Swan Hill line are to give road users longer sighting times, so they can make safer choices.

So many of those crossings have miles of viewing, but we still have to slow down. The 8km restriction near Pyramid is a case in point. And most of those crossings are protected only by Give Way signs; you would think they would be Stop signs.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Does anyone stop at Stop signs?
  Djebel Train Controller

Does anyone stop at Stop signs?
Donald
Of course.  Every single one of them.

Especially if it's going to annoy someone behind me,
  emmastreet Chief Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
LX speed restrictions for loco-hauled trains?
Yes.  Heaps of 60 km/h restrictions North of Bendigo for Swan Hill pass trains.  Around 24 crossings, I kid you not.
Carnot
And plenty north of Seymour on the Shepparton line.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Does anyone stop at Stop signs?
"Donald"
Yes; without fail. Breaking that rule is (a) potentially dangerous and (b) a fruitful source of revenue for the gummint.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Does anyone stop at Stop signs?
Yes; without fail. Breaking that rule is (a) potentially dangerous and (b) a fruitful source of revenue for the gummint.
Valvegear
Except for the B double behind you who has no such intention.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The padded out TT is a joke too, the 4.49 Up all stopper regularly runs 7+ minutes early into Footscray, granted it might suffer some congestion into Southern Cross but it is just lazy timetabling designed to stop V/Line getting fined IMO
BrentonGolding
Well I'm not sure if it was a case of Commentator's Curse or someone at V/Line snooping around RP and being upset by all of this talk of early running but tonight's Up 16.49 ex Castlemaine had an absolute Barry Crocker!

3 to 5 minutes late into CME the service never really made up much time, I wasn't really paying attention but we were late into Sunbury and I assume that we missed our path.

After almost coming to a complete stop on the Up side of Sunbury we ambled our way along for the rest of the journey, never actually stopping but never reaching line speed. We finally arrived into Footscray just after 18.30.

That's an hour and 40 minutes from Castlemaine to Footscray, add another 7 to 10 to reach Souchern Cross and that makes it an hour and 50 for this SAS trip that can easily be done in an hour and 20 to 25 minutes. No wonder people drive to the Footy!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I've noticed a few repeat offenders for late running trains. The 17:26 Epsom on weekdays almost invariably gets delayed by the Kyneton 17:04 in front of it, and ends up getting short terminated at Bendigo.  Hopelessly unreliable.

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