Car makers want to replace licence fees, rego and fuel excise with a tax on how far you drive

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 05 May 2021 10:53
  8502 Locomotive Driver

There are too many taxes and costs in owning a motor vehicle when you use it sparingly around the city.  If the government went to distance based charging would that include all vehicles such has trucks, light commercial and private vehicles?

Would it include UBER and TAXi's?

Overall would the cost of owning and driving a vehicle go up or down under this arrangement?

Car makers want to replace licence fees, rego and fuel excise with a tax on how far you drive

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

There are too many taxes and costs in owning a motor vehicle when you use it sparingly around the city.  If the government went to distance based charging would that include all vehicles such has trucks, light commercial and private vehicles?

Would it include UBER and TAXi's?

Overall would the cost of owning and driving a vehicle go up or down under this arrangement?

Car makers want to replace licence fees, rego and fuel excise with a tax on how far you drive
8502
It depends.  One issue I have with the proposal is Transurban pushing for it.  A bunch of rent-seekers if ever there was.

It would need to be scalable based on location too - i.e. Higher $/km for inner urban roads, lower for rural and remote.

BUT, road use charging is a better proposal than the absolutely moronic plan by the NSW State Govt to let EVs use Bus lanes on freeways and motorways:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/950311/nsws-ambitious-plans-to-speed-up-electric-vehicle-adoption/
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

There are too many taxes and costs in owning a motor vehicle when you use it sparingly around the city.  If the government went to distance based charging would that include all vehicles such has trucks, light commercial and private vehicles?

Would it include UBER and TAXi's?

Overall would the cost of owning and driving a vehicle go up or down under this arrangement?

Car makers want to replace licence fees, rego and fuel excise with a tax on how far you drive
8502
My bet is on "first 1000km included in the minimum charge". That minimum charge being what you previously paid for licence and rego.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
You can forget about replacing rego. The powers that be need some method of identifying vehicles. (I need it when I'm in a car park with identical cars nearby.)
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There are too many taxes and costs in owning a motor vehicle when you use it sparingly around the city.  If the government went to distance based charging would that include all vehicles such has trucks, light commercial and private vehicles?

Would it include UBER and TAXi's?

Overall would the cost of owning and driving a vehicle go up or down under this arrangement?

Car makers want to replace licence fees, rego and fuel excise with a tax on how far you drive
8502
Its the right thing to do. The roads need to be funded and they should be funded by the people who use them based on the frequency and weight of use. The tradition fuel charges are moving closer by the day to becoming irrelevant and I think either now have or are close to falling behind the actual cost of maintaining the roads due to decreasing fuel consumption by ICE vehicles. In the past the answer would be just jack up the excise tax, but this doesn't work for EV and other non-centralised energy sources.

EV's are going down this path and ICE should follow to keep everything equal. distance x tare weight of vehicle. You can select monthly, Qtrly, half yearly or annual, upload your km or go into the RTA office. No payment, no renew rego. Police can add this to their list of random checks.

As modern cars come with nearly 5-10y warranty, interference of the odometer will be insignificant and simply controlled by extensive fines and impounding of the car as they do in NZ.

Agree the Rego should include the first say 5000 km and this also applies to older (say >25y) and say more classic ICE cars which are rarely driven. Also by including the first 5000km you decrease the incentive of interfering with the odometer but still push the cost of the roads back to those who use it most.

Yes, commercial vehicles should pay the same as they do now with fuel excise.

Congestion taxes should also be implemented in inner city's and major arterial roads to help fund the cost of building very high cost road infrastructure used mostly by the same people in peak hour.

The biggest issue, if its an issue from this change is that the Fed govt currently gets the Fuel excise and spends accordingly. These changes will completely remove the Fed's from road spending, all the money will go to the states for which the car is registered. This would then remove Fed funding from all road projects, which may hurt the smaller states and the likes of WA, but managed by the GST distribution.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You can forget about replacing rego. The powers that be need some method of identifying vehicles. (I need it when I'm in a car park with identical cars nearby.)
Valvegear
Probably more referring to rego fees.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Probably more referring to rego fees.
"RTT_Rules"
No-fee rego? Not a hope. Don't forget it also includes third party insurance, and you sure 'n hell aren't getting that for nothing.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How would transurban benefit from this change ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

How would transurban benefit from this change ?
freightgate
They would be quite happy to own more urban roads and charge accordingly.  And probably leverage their fees against Govt imposed fees.  I.e. Use a State owned road - Govt gets the $$, Use a Transurban Road - Transurban gets the $$.

I'm sure many Governments would happily sell roads and freeways to mobs like Transurban.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Probably more referring to rego fees.
No-fee rego? Not a hope. Don't forget it also includes third party insurance, and you sure 'n hell aren't getting that for nothing.
Valvegear
3rd party insurance is separate to rego and not linked to road funding. So no, this wouldn't change.  

Would there be still a fee, yes, there is a cost in maintaining the car registration list, number plates, admin, inspection etc. None of this changes.

But the overall rego fee covering the above should also include around say 5000 km or so of driving. Distance based would kick in from there. This is a bit like maintaining a balance on e-toll, its money up front to cover future costs. 10,000,000 cars on the road, say paying $150 upfront in rego is $1,500,000,000 of money in the bank to earn interest for the state govts.

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