The corona virus COVID-19

 
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Perth hotel quarantine guard tests positive for COVID-19, along with two others
ABC News


F . U . C . K  Sad


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/perth-hotel-quarantine-guard-tests-positive-for-covid-19/100109788

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  doyle Deputy Commissioner

But but hotel quantine is working well isn't it?

Let's ask Scotty how well it going
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Perth hotel quarantine guard tests positive for COVID-19, along with two others


F . U . C . K  Sad


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-01/perth-hotel-quarantine-guard-tests-positive-for-covid-19/100109788
djf01
I thought that the Western Australians were, like Mary Poppins, 'perfect in every way' and knew everything about Covid. I well remember their Premier telling us that that was so and that it was we Easterners who were 'unclean'.

Being 'Smarter than the average bear' WA did not need to learn anything from those unfortunate states that had already made stupid mistakes and who had 'been there and done that'.

Pride comes before a fall!
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Australia is still in an enviable position whit other countries. The hotel system is surely not perfect, but the results are not too bad either. The desire for 0 Covid is certainly noble but could eventually become a burden. These Indian liars certainly need to be taught a lesson though, and the strict response is of note. Being clever dicks, gaming the system, taking advantage of the government good faith and look where they are no. Let's not be swayed by the crocodile tears of yesterday's Flash Harry's, or should we say Flash Anils.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
There is talk tonight about a possible national lockdown in India, It won't happen but, it's just too hard to do, unfortunately India are in for the long haul with the virus, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Morons:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-05/victoria-covid-hotel-quarantine-infection-manager-stood-down/100116928
Carnot
Also moronic is the use of pronouns. The story is about the actions of a man. Call me old fashioned, but when I see that heavily bearded head, I presume that  the subject is a man, and if not, probably wouldn't be offended by me presuming he is a man. Yet the article constantly uses plural pronouns; 'pending a review into their behaviour...the government says they refused to get tested ... they allegedly returned to a quarantine hotel... without changing their mask' and on it goes. I started by reading it and rereading it to find out if there was perhaps a whole gang of miscreants, but no, just this fellow whom we are afraid to offend with gender specific pronouns it seems. Enough to make me believe that maybe the rants of another contributor here about gender neutral madness are perhaps not wide of the mark. If we didn't know whether the individual was male or female, fine, go ahead with the plural business, or perhaps bring back the use of 'one' but I really don't think there's any doubt here, and all that happens is the introduction of ambiguity about how many people are involved.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
10 out of 10 billy. My former English teachers would have conniptions if they heard the misuse that you describe. I hear it, and I shudder.

Of course, the corollary to this is when dealing with organisations and another usage of verbs in the plural when singular is correct.
As an example, "Steamrail are running their tour to Geelong."
There is only one "Steamrail"; it is a singular. Correct grammar is "Steamrail is running its tour . . . "
Even on the ABC, which was once the last bastion of correct English, we hear, "The Melbourne Symphony Orchestra are playing Brahms Symphony No 4." Again; there is only one Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and it is playing.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It sounds like the Sydney case originates from the Hotel Sofitel (a quarantine hotel) and the Optometrist on the ground floor that the man visited last week.  Probably a shared A/C system.

Why the ____ are these 1970s hotels with shared ducting being used for HQ?  We are idiots.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
10 out of 10 billy. My former English teachers would have conniptions if they heard the misuse that you describe. I hear it, and I shudder.

Of course, the corollary to this is when dealing with organisations and another usage of verbs in the plural when singular is correct.
As an example, "Steamrail are running their tour to Geelong."
There is only one "Steamrail"; it is a singular. Correct grammar is "Steamrail is running its tour . . . "
Even on the ABC, which was once the last bastion of correct English, we hear, "The Melbourne Symphony Orchestra are playing Brahms Symphony No 4." Again; there is only one Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, and it is playing.
Valvegear
Absolutely correct Valvegear.
Errors of this nature are almost universal at the moment.
We can expect nothing less as we race to the bottom in so many things these days. Half the population wouldn't know the difference.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The Seychelles (where many of our cricketers find themselves stranded) is one of the most vaccinated countries on earth with more than 60% of its population getting the jab. However it basically hasn't worked and now they've had to go into lock-down again - BBC;

The archipelago of nearly 100,000 people recorded close to 500 new cases in the three days to 1 May and has about 1,000 active cases.

A third of the active cases involved people who had had two vaccine doses, the country's news agency said.

The rest had either had a single dose or were unvaccinated.

Schools have been closed and sports activities cancelled for two weeks. Bars, restaurants and shops are to close early and some gatherings have been banned.

Meanwhile there's a new outbreak brewing in NSW where a strict lock-down is going into place in response to a potential large outbreak - ABC News;

A second local case of COVID-19 has been identified in NSW, as social distancing restrictions are tightened in Greater Sydney and health authorities close in on identifying the outbreak's source.

The latest case is the wife of a man in his 50s from Sydney's eastern suburbs who tested positive yesterday.

The man's nine other close contacts have returned negative swabs, but NSW Health remains concerned about a swathe of venues around Sydney the cases have visited while infectious.

It's prompted Premier Gladys Berejiklian to tighten social distancing restrictions.

As I accurately predicted last year, the advent of vaccines has done nothing to make this problem go away. We're just going to have to learn to live with it - somehow.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

It sounds like the Sydney case originates from the Hotel Sofitel (a quarantine hotel) and the Optometrist on the ground floor that the man visited last week.  Probably a shared A/C system.

Why the ____ are these 1970s hotels with shared ducting being used for HQ?  We are idiots.
Carnot


I completely agree with you re HQ, but ...


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/nsw-records-second-positive-covid-case/100119774

NSW chief health officer Kerry Chant said health investigators, through genomic testing, had located the original source of infection in an overseas case from the Park Royal at Darling Harbour
ABC News


Different hotel.  It doesn't mean HQ is not at fault though.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The Seychelles (where many of our cricketers find themselves stranded) is one of the most vaccinated countries on earth with more than 60% of its population getting the jab. However it basically hasn't worked and now they've had to go into lock-down again - BBC;

The archipelago of nearly 100,000 people recorded close to 500 new cases in the three days to 1 May and has about 1,000 active cases.

A third of the active cases involved people who had had two vaccine doses, the country's news agency said.

The rest had either had a single dose or were unvaccinated.

Schools have been closed and sports activities cancelled for two weeks. Bars, restaurants and shops are to close early and some gatherings have been banned.

Meanwhile there's a new outbreak brewing in NSW where a strict lock-down is going into place in response to a potential large outbreak - ABC News;

A second local case of COVID-19 has been identified in NSW, as social distancing restrictions are tightened in Greater Sydney and health authorities close in on identifying the outbreak's source.

The latest case is the wife of a man in his 50s from Sydney's eastern suburbs who tested positive yesterday.

The man's nine other close contacts have returned negative swabs, but NSW Health remains concerned about a swathe of venues around Sydney the cases have visited while infectious.

It's prompted Premier Gladys Berejiklian to tighten social distancing restrictions.

As I accurately predicted last year, the advent of vaccines has done nothing to make this problem go away. We're just going to have to learn to live with it - somehow.
don_dunstan
The Vaccines however, are deigned to make the virus less intense, so you are not as likely to end up in hospital from it, no it's true, the Vaccines won't stop the virus, we will most likely have to have an annual jab.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Seychelles mainly used the Astra Zeneca vaccine which isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines used in Israel which has a similar vaccination rate.

Israel had only 70 new cases yesterday.  Well down on its peak a few months ago.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Seychelles mainly used the Astra Zeneca vaccine which isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines used in Israel which has a similar vaccination rate.

Israel had only 70 new cases yesterday.  Well down on its peak a few months ago.
Carnot
Other way round. Sino 60%, 40% AZ.

Need to stop focusing new cases and focus on hospitalisations, which is what the vaccine(s) is all about.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Seychelles mainly used the Astra Zeneca vaccine which isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines used in Israel which has a similar vaccination rate.

Israel had only 70 new cases yesterday.  Well down on its peak a few months ago.
Other way round. Sino 60%, 40% AZ.

Need to stop focusing new cases and focus on hospitalisations, which is what the vaccine(s) is all about.
RTT_Rules
Correct, if the hospitalisations are still high, then yes, there is a problem.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Seychelles mainly used the Astra Zeneca vaccine which isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines used in Israel which has a similar vaccination rate.

Israel had only 70 new cases yesterday.  Well down on its peak a few months ago.
Carnot

This on Bloombergs:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge

... suggests (I think it's just speculation on the journalists part though) B1351, which AZ is known to be ineffective against.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Seychelles mainly used the Astra Zeneca vaccine which isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines used in Israel which has a similar vaccination rate.

Israel had only 70 new cases yesterday.  Well down on its peak a few months ago.
Other way round. Sino 60%, 40% AZ.

Need to stop focusing new cases and focus on hospitalisations, which is what the vaccine(s) is all about.
RTT_Rules
Worth noting that the Sinovac vaccine isn't much chop either.  As Chile has found out:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Seychelles mainly used the Astra Zeneca vaccine which isn't as effective as the mRNA vaccines used in Israel which has a similar vaccination rate.

Israel had only 70 new cases yesterday.  Well down on its peak a few months ago.
Other way round. Sino 60%, 40% AZ.

Need to stop focusing new cases and focus on hospitalisations, which is what the vaccine(s) is all about.
Worth noting that the Sinovac vaccine isn't much chop either.  As Chile has found out:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801
Carnot
Its not ineffective, just not as effective as others which are neither available nor available for the same price and both the Sino's have low cost storage options.

People are playing alot of $hit on the Sinovac and Sinopharm, but they have a benefit and when you have got nothing they are better than nothing and both have been proven to be effective at reducing the hospital and body count.

Sinopharm has been rated at 76% efficacy, but 87%'ish in the UAE which has a greatly distorted population being generally younger and healthier than most countries due to 85% of the population being expat on work visa's or families there of.  At work we did our own anti body testing on the bulk of us who got Sinopharm, and 86-88% had antibodies. No idea about me as I wasn't selected for testing (maybe because I'm a minority group?).

As other more effective vaccines become available and cheaper, then yes, we move on. Its unlikely any of these vaccine will be effective more than 12mth, so what's the big deal?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Simon Birmingham says that government has heard the public and will not be re-opening Australia to international travelers for a very long time to come - Sky News

Finance Minister Simon Birmingham says the international borders are not going to reopen “any time soon” because there has been a “clear message” Australians do not want to “risk COVID entering this country”.

“It’s very hard to put a precise timeline or indicator on it because there’s a range of factors again that will influence that,” he said.

“We’re dealing now - in May of 2021 - with arguably a more uncertain global environment with the management of COVID than we had a few months ago.

“The spike in relation to cases in India and indeed some other parts of the world that we’ve seen upwards trajectory, in including parts of the world which had been boasting about early vaccination trends.

“These create uncertainties, the uncertainties around aspects of the vaccine rollout including the duration of effectiveness of vaccines, what it means in relation to other variants of COVID.

“They’re all factors that we will have to take into consideration.

“But we’re not going to be making promises in relation to reopening the borders that are holding out a false hope when there’s a lot of analysis to still be done before we actually get to the point of make that firm decision”.

I'm guessing the end of 2022 at this rate.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Simon Birmingham says that government has heard the public and will not be re-opening Australia to international travelers for a very long time to come - Sky News

Finance Minister Simon Birmingham says the international borders are not going to reopen “any time soon” because there has been a “clear message” Australians do not want to “risk COVID entering this country”.

“It’s very hard to put a precise timeline or indicator on it because there’s a range of factors again that will influence that,” he said.

“We’re dealing now - in May of 2021 - with arguably a more uncertain global environment with the management of COVID than we had a few months ago.

“The spike in relation to cases in India and indeed some other parts of the world that we’ve seen upwards trajectory, in including parts of the world which had been boasting about early vaccination trends.

“These create uncertainties, the uncertainties around aspects of the vaccine rollout including the duration of effectiveness of vaccines, what it means in relation to other variants of COVID.

“They’re all factors that we will have to take into consideration.

“But we’re not going to be making promises in relation to reopening the borders that are holding out a false hope when there’s a lot of analysis to still be done before we actually get to the point of make that firm decision”.

I'm guessing the end of 2022 at this rate.
don_dunstan
Rightly so too, we can't let large outbreaks get into Australia.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Finance Minister Simon Birmingham says the international borders are not going to reopen “any time soon” because there has been a “clear message” Australians do not want to “risk COVID entering this country”.
Meanwhile, the Health Minister was giving the weather forecast, the Minister for Science (oops; there isn't one), and the Attorney General was busy advising farmers on agriculture. The Prime Minister? Oh he was in front of a camera somewhere.

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