Melbourne tram near misses: Nearly 600 passengers hit in two months

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 05 May 2021 20:26
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Look away now if you are easily made to feel sick



In all seriousness this is shocking as all drivers should be well aware of the need to stop behind a stopping or stopped tram.

Melbourne tram near misses: Nearly 600 passengers hit in two months

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  route14 Chief Commissioner

I thought Lennox St. and Park & Clarendon Sts. already have platform stops that are inaccessible to road vehicles.
    The Chapel St. & Toorak Rd. stop is really bad.  Passengers have to cross two lanes and motorists in the left-most lane often forget to stop.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Shouldn't that read "600 passengers nearly hit in two months"?

(or totally rephrased.)
  steamfreak Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wodonga, VIC
Shouldn't that read "600 passengers nearly hit in two months"?

(or totally rephrased.)
kitchgp
Also, for them to be passengers, they need to be on the tram.  So how were they nearly hit?  Or were they pedestrians, or intending passengers? ????
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I believe they also need to touch on their Myki to be passengers.  There is no mid-road stop in the free tram zone.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Shouldn't that read "600 passengers nearly hit in two months"?

(or totally rephrased.)
Also, for them to be passengers, they need to be on the tram.  So how were they nearly hit?  Or were they pedestrians, or intending passengers? ????
steamfreak

You can see from the video some a missed by motorists and one unfortunately passenger who probably should make it a habit of looking left when they alight the tram so as to be more cautious.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Are drivers expecting to get their drivers license Taught enough about trams and the rules surrounding their use of the road or has that been economised too ?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Melbourne pedestrians generally have always been fair game. It’s just that, with the increase in unlicensed drivers, use of mobile phones, maniacal cyclists, etc, they have become fairer game.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Terribly sensationalist thread title. It suggests that the number of passengers (pedestrians) hit is close to 600 in only a 2 month timeframe when in fact that number is 7.

That aside, I am not all that surprised. I spend between 10 and 14 hours a day on the road as a professional driver and most of that is in the Metro area and it is clear the standard of driving in Melbourne has dropped in the past 10 years. In particular to this topic, the amount of people I see passing a stopped tram is quite alarming.

Equal to that is the amount of times I have been verbally abused by other drivers for stopping my truck to give way to people getting on and off a tram, or giving way to a bus pulling out, seemingly by people who don't know the road regulations.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Super stops are design in some ways to avoid the need for passengers to leave the tram stepping directly into the roadway.

These issues much be on certain suburban stops ?
  712M Chief Commissioner

I believe they also need to touch on their Myki to be passengers.  There is no mid-road stop in the free tram zone.
“route14”

Almost. I believe there is one mid-road stop at the corner of Flinders Lane and William Street on Route 58 in the West Coburg-bound direction only.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The opposite problem sometimes occurs at Essendon Depot when a tram stops for a crew change.
Trams stops, driver alights and wanders off into the depot leaving tram in the middle of Mount Alexander Road stationary, unattended and with door mounted stop signs displayed.
Traffic stops and is forced to eventually creep past (legally or otherwise I know not).
Not to worry new driver eventually arrives .................
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I believe they also need to touch on their Myki to be passengers.  There is no mid-road stop in the free tram zone.

Almost. I believe there is one mid-road stop at the corner of Flinders Lane and William Street on Route 58 in the West Coburg-bound direction only.
712M
Pretty certain that one still has a safety zone.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

Every time I travel on the number 19 tram, there are cars racing past the tram as it's stopped in Royal Parade, forcing the driver to ring the bell at them.

Why there are no cameras to catch these bastards and have their drivers licence permanently removed from them, I will never know.
  Matthew Chief Train Controller

Why there are no cameras to catch these bastards and have their drivers licence permanently removed from them, I will never know.
Peter Spyker

The E class have cameras everywhere and they are recorded. This is a standard feature on all new tram/light rail vehicles (and trains too now).

I've spoken to a driver of the E's who had a car turn in front, crossing over one of those little separator curbs to do so. He said after the incident he was called in, reviewed the camera footage with the investigators, it was quite clear from the recordings of the 'mirror' and cab cameras what happened and that was the last he heard of it.

Those same cameras will record every car that passed a stopped tram with open doors. However, I suspect the government would cop a lot of flack if they started looking at those recording and issuing fines.

Speed and red light camera seem to be regarded by the public at large as revenue-raising devices, not safety devices. I suspect giving the impression that every tram was mobile red-light and road rules compliance camera would not be popular at all.

If any other industry had the death and injury rate of road transport, we would be calling for Royal Commissions into the carnage.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think it should be an immediate loss of licence followed by re-training and testing to see if the offender is fit to hold a drivers license, especially if this results in the death of a pedestrian. Repeat offenders can have their car impounded and, if they continue to offend, their licence revoke permanently.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

That's a good idea and should have happened when surveillance camera is invented.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The opposite problem sometimes occurs at Essendon Depot when a tram stops for a crew change.

Trams stops, driver alights and wanders off into the depot leaving tram in the middle of Mount Alexander Road stationary, unattended and with door mounted stop signs displayed.

Traffic stops and is forced to eventually creep past (legally or otherwise I know not).

Not to worry new driver eventually arrives .................
"YM-Mundrabilla"
As also East Preston Depot when the stationary tram is in the middle of Plenty Road.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Southbank and New Preston (route 11 only) are the only driver relief points where the trams are stopped clear of road traffic.  (I'm not sure if any drivers take a shortcut by relieving an up route 11 tram at stop 35 instead of 34)

Edit: I forgot about route 57 and the Essendon share of route 58.  Those two relief points aren't near the depot and requires the driver to either ride a route 59 tram or to drive an empty tram known as "transport car".  What's the procedure for route 82 after the reconfiguration of the Moonee Ponds Junction?  Technically speaking pedestrians can't walk up to the siding so the relieved driver should car in and the relief driver car out.  Or are tram drivers exempt and allowed to walk to the siding for driver change?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
' Technically speaking pedestrians can't walk up to the siding so the relieved driver should car in and the relief driver car out. '

In simple layman's terms what does the car in/out bit mean in practice here, please?
Cannot the relieved driver simply get off and the relieving one get on at 'any' tram stop?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Drive in and park vehicle/take vehicle and drive out.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Depending on the actual provision of each depot, it might be more workable to car in and out instead of driver change.  This operation takes up the same amount of trams (usually one) as a "transport car".
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
From what I've witnessed, they often will use a fleet car (used to be Toyota Corolla's, not too sure what they have now) to get to the driver change-over location, park the car, change over then the relieved driver drives the car back to the depot.

I know East Preston drivers used to do this for route 11 before the move to New Preston was made. I suspect this is still done around the network.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Depending on the actual provision of each depot, it might be more workable to car in and out instead of driver change.  This operation takes up the same amount of trams (usually one) as a "transport car".
route14
OK, but please bear with me as I am not a tram passenger.

If the 'car in / car out' principle is followed what happens to the passengers? Does the service terminate short of the depot and the replacement originate in advance of the depot leaving the passengers in what is, in effect, 'no-mans land' or do they cart tram, crew and passengers into the depot? Or is there a heap of empty running.

Perhaps abandoning the tram in mid street is the lesser evil?

Schultz (I know nothing..............)
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I think the system route14 is alluding to requires a lot of empty running from the extremities of the network to the depot and back out again.

Yarra Trams certainly do not take passenger loaded trams into the depot.

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