Port Adelaide community continues 'fight' to bring cancelled railway spur back to life

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 May 2021 21:36
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Would there be any real reason why the branch could not be reopened for passenger traffic?

Port Adelaide community continues 'fight' to bring cancelled railway spur back to life

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Would there be any real reason why the branch could not be reopened for passenger traffic?
bevans
Yes.

It wasn't built.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Would there be any real reason why the branch could not be reopened for passenger traffic?
Yes.

It wasn't built.
justapassenger

OK, I must be confusing Port Adelaide with Port Dock.  Sorry about that.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A bit of a sweeping statement but here goes:

Conservative governments, NSW notwithstanding by their nature are reluctant to expand public transport, especially fixed rail. The perfect example was in WA when the then conservative government for a short time closed the rail service from Perth to Fremantle...laughable today.
The incoming Labor government promised to re-instate the rail service to Freo and the rest is history.

Conservative, Campbell Newman tried a few tricks like this in Qld a few election cycles ago and he was also voted out after a solitary single term.

Premier Marshalls government can probably be seen as a breather between Labor governments which have proliferated in SA over a few decades. It's unlikely the pandemic will save him as in all likelihood it will have been consigned to history in a year.
I'm betting, like in Victoria under Baillieu & Napthine, his administration will also be a one term government then SA will resume where it left off and this PT infrastructure will be re-instated as a part of Labor's election platform.

Mike.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A bit of a sweeping statement but here goes:

Conservative governments, NSW notwithstanding by their nature are reluctant to expand public transport, especially fixed rail. The perfect example was in WA when the then conservative government for a short time closed the rail service from Perth to Fremantle...laughable today.
The incoming Labor government promised to re-instate the rail service to Freo and the rest is history.

Conservative, Campbell Newman tried a few tricks like this in Qld a few election cycles ago and he was also voted out after a solitary single term.

Premier Marshalls government can probably be seen as a breather between Labor governments which have proliferated in SA over a few decades. It's unlikely the pandemic will save him as in all likelihood it will have been consigned to history in a year.
I'm betting, like in Victoria under Baillieu & Napthine, his administration will also be a one term government then SA will resume where it left off and this PT infrastructure will be re-instated as a part of Labor's election platform.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Fairly one eyed and biased comment their Mike. Do we need to list all the railway closures of the ALP govts?

What tricks did Campbell Newman try with PT? He actually removed the former govts locked in extreme 9% YoY fare increases that were driving people away from Brisbane Rail and PT in general.

So lets look at the facts, not political ideology.

This proposed station
- is 600m walking (less as crow flys) from Port Adelaide station.
- It required around 1000 linear metres of double track to be built (the existing track is not suitable and why double track, surely single track for most of the route is fine.)
- It will need the junction on the mainline to be rebuilt
- It will need additional tie in's to the Museam's own tracks that need to ensure the security of the Adelaide Metro system.
- The terminus station, currently single platform is only 25m long, it needs to be doubled or tripled in length and fitted with all the usual modern requirements, DAA etc.
- Provisions made for future OH.

The former govt budgeted $14 M, the incoming govt quoted $40 M or something like that, I'm sure a bit over the top but still lets take the $14M number. Seriously $14M to build a new station 600m walk from an existing one on a stub track that will require extra services from Adelaide to service with out compromising the existing line.

OF all the many millions the Adelaide rail system needs, is this the highest priority for that $14M? The line should have only been proposed as single track to significantly cut the costs as it eliminates alot of points and signally costs and for 1000m of track connected to a twin track mainline you can easily run a 15min service.  

It looks like a quaint expansion of the Adelaide rail system, but I'm struggling to see the value for money here. They just rebuilt Port Adelaide station and the proposed station has minimal local Residential population closer to it than Port Adelaide.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A bit of a sweeping statement but here goes:

Conservative governments, NSW notwithstanding by their nature are reluctant to expand public transport, especially fixed rail. The perfect example was in WA when the then conservative government for a short time closed the rail service from Perth to Fremantle...laughable today.
The incoming Labor government promised to re-instate the rail service to Freo and the rest is history.

Conservative, Campbell Newman tried a few tricks like this in Qld a few election cycles ago and he was also voted out after a solitary single term.

Premier Marshalls government can probably be seen as a breather between Labor governments which have proliferated in SA over a few decades. It's unlikely the pandemic will save him as in all likelihood it will have been consigned to history in a year.
I'm betting, like in Victoria under Baillieu & Napthine, his administration will also be a one term government then SA will resume where it left off and this PT infrastructure will be re-instated as a part of Labor's election platform.

Mike.


Fairly one eyed and biased comment there Mike. Do we need to list all the railway closures of the ALP govts?

In recent decades...go for it Shane. Smile

Mike.
RTT_Rules
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


Fairly one eyed and biased comment there Mike. Do we need to list all the railway closures of the ALP govts?

In recent decades...go for it Shane. Smile

Mike.
The Vinelander
Or save others here, you could just go to the past post of the same and read the list.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line


Fairly one eyed and biased comment there Mike. Do we need to list all the railway closures of the ALP govts?

In recent decades...go for it Shane. Smile

Mike.
Or save others here, you could just go to the past post of the same and read the list.
RTT_Rules

I'm not doing your 'research' Shane, it's you that claims Labor governments have closed operating passenger rail lines in recent decades.

M.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


Fairly one eyed and biased comment there Mike. Do we need to list all the railway closures of the ALP govts?

In recent decades...go for it Shane. Smile

Mike.
Or save others here, you could just go to the past post of the same and read the list.

I'm not doing your 'research' Shane, it's you that claims Labor governments have closed operating passenger rail lines in recent decades.

M.
The Vinelander
Murwillumbah
Made a move on Armidale which was stopped by local govt, just
Much of Qld's rural lines
Have failed to reopen Mildura
Ran down NSW regional
Reduced Canberra services

Even the SA branch in topic here, closed only months before the SA election and not reopened by ALP.
  doyle Deputy Commissioner

NSW ALP closed the Sydney tramway from 1950.... Idiots.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
NSW ALP closed the Sydney tramway from 1950.... Idiots.
doyle
Brisbane the same
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Some facts are the current Port Adelaide railway station is up on a bridge over the Port Road. But it is a two to three minute walk to the main shopping area in Port Adelaide so that is convinent for those that go to Port Adelaide to shop at the larger supermarkets there.  Also it is close to most other services such as buses etc a bus interchange could be built there if it is needed though and all that would go missing is some car parks now for the actual station itself.  But there could be an interchange built under the bridge on Commercial road as it almost exists at the moment but badly needs to be upgrade there.

Now some experts claim that the housing now being done at Port Adelaide on the docks would provide customers to the train service from the New Port Dock Station but all it would be is a service from Adelaide to Port Dock Station and all the industrial area at Port Adelaide would not be served directly by this train service at all. Now let's just say you have been employed by the Submarine builders etc at Osbourne and you need to get to work, the train is no good for you from Port Dock Station so you will not use that. Bus services have been cut right back on the peninsula there so that leaves only one way for you to get to work and that is drive your car to work.  Now if a lot work in places that are a a fairway from public transport and a lot of indudtries are here then driving to work is the only option really.

So if the family own a car in these new housing developments they will use that instead of public transport so the station if built might become a white elephant. It is a long way away from anything hidden in a back street at Port Adelaide and not close to shops or supermarkets etc.  They wanted to build a bus interchange in the car park between the Police station and the NRM but if that was done there would only be about a couple of dozen car parks left for public parking and off street parking in Port Adelaide is not exactly abounding in that area. Also it would take land now used by the NRM to run their trains during events and so it would impact on the NRM operations quite sinifically.

It is very near to the courts which are built alongside the police station there and it could make noise that is then unacceptable in any court of law.  So really it is nothing more than an election promise for a electorate that had nothing else to be promised and so some bright spark devised this project just to make it look like they would do something.

To be honest it is not needed at all as most of those in the new housing developments will have one or two cars and will choose to drive every where. It was a gross waste of money at $14m and more so at $40m as that money would be better spent on say the Queen Elizabeth Hospital at Woodville so it does everyone one a service in the whole area not just a few commutters that might use it, but all the state govts of late come up with hair brained ideas to build small railway lines at exorbinant prices or sports stadiums that are not needed rather than invest some of the money into health services and hopefully into one health problem that now exist that is getting rid of ambulance ramping for hours at hospitals. The $40m saved from not building this unwanted piece of railway track could be put towards building a new building at the RAH just as a huge emergency dept for a start, and paying for some more staff at hospitals, rather than throw it away on something that might not even be viable.

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