The corona virus COVID-19

 
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Irritating as it may be, it appears there is a singular they. Valvegear’s comments about other incorrect uses of plurals and singulars are still valid. For those having trouble getting to sleep tonight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

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  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Irritating as it may be, it appears there is a singular they. Valvegear’s comments about other incorrect uses of plurals and singulars are still valid. For those having trouble getting to sleep tonight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
kitchgp
I must say I have used it in the sense mentioned in the linked article for pretty much my entire life (almost 7 decades) without objection from anyone.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Depends upon the context.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I visited a doctor this week to renew a prescription. He was a new doctor to the medical centre, a nice man, easy to chat with. It turns out that he is Indian by birth although he has spent quite a lot of his life in England and Australia. We got to chattying about the COVID-19 situation in his "homeland", India. He said whatever numbers are published, double them and it will be about right. The main reason for this is that the medical system is swamped and people are going undiagnosed and dying without being able to get medical attention, thus their infection and cause of death have not been confirmed. It's not about the Indian authorities lying, as some have said here, it's that they simply don't know the real numbers.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I visited a doctor this week to renew a prescription. He was a new doctor to the medical centre, a nice man, easy to chat with. It turns out that he is Indian by birth although he has spent quite a lot of his life in England and Australia. We got to chattying about the COVID-19 situation in his "homeland", India. He said whatever numbers are published, double them and it will be about right. The main reason for this is that the medical system is swamped and people are going undiagnosed and dying without being able to get medical attention, thus their infection and cause of death have not been confirmed. It's not about the Indian authorities lying, as some have said here, it's that they simply don't know the real numbers.
Graham4405
I don't think that there is any doubt that the people dying in the rural areas, their death is also from COVID-19, I have heard it reported by the BBC that way.
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Re the singular 'they', I'm with the 18th-century commentators in saying it should be avoided where possible
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Australian usage guidance

The Australian Federation Press Style Guide for Use in Preparation of Book Manuscripts recommends "gender-neutral language should be used", stating that use of they and their as singular pronouns is acceptable.[149]
kitchgp

Having received a completely free University level education in the NSW public system, naturally I have never had any formal education in the use of English Language grammar - as most can tell from my posts.

I remember coming across this issue in corporate life in the 1980s and 90s, where gender-neutral language in technical documentation and general correspondence became not just preferable, but potentially a sackable offence if not used.

I saw a twitter exchange (sorry, can't find it now) that suggested the original article on a News Ltd platform (which I couldn't see through the cracks in the paywall) was posted in using the masculine singular pronoun, and the journo copped a lot of flack from their peers about that as the clown/clownette in question had not been identified.

Personally, I don't find reading singular "they" irksome, but I find it very unnatural to write, and can only be done effectively where the context is *very* unambiguous.  (ie "he did it to her", makes more sense "than they did it to them")

I thought I'd put in a Shakespearean counter example (apparently there are plenty), but the one I incorrectly remembered is:
The jury ... may in the sworn twelve have a thief (or two) Guiltier than him they try.

Even Shakespeare found it irksome, which is no doubt why he threw in the "or two".
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Scott Morrison says there's 'no appetite' to re-open the Australian borders to international travelers perhaps indefinitely - from the Sunday Telegraph (9/5/2021) -

In an exclusive and wide-ranging interview with The Sunday Telegraph, the Prime Minister made clear there was no plan to alter the government’s approach to the pandemic that has created Fortress Australia.

While in the early days of the pandemic Mr Morrison talked about local restrictions from outbreaks as “part of living with COVID-19”, he thinks Australians are not eager for a change.

“I don’t see an appetite for that at the moment,” he said.

“I think what we’re seeing at the moment is the appreciation of the people that the pandemic isn’t going anywhere.”

Mr Morrison said “we sit here as an island that’s living like few countries in the world are at the moment.

“We have to be careful not to exchange that way of life for what everyone else has.”

It is “different for the UK and the US and Europe because they have been riddled with the pandemic and they can’t turn that back,” he said.

“All I know is once you let it back in … you cannot get it out. You’ve crossed that threshold. You move into another dimension.

“At this point in the pandemic that is a very uncertain world.

“We continue to roll out the vaccination program, over the course of this year, and in the meantime, I intend to be cautious, it’s in my nature.”

I don't fancy us being allowed to visit the UK, Indonesia, etc for a very long time. This virus is here to stay.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

We wasn't just wanting to buy a BBQ, he was looking at buying the company!

https://www.afr.com/street-talk/apollo-global-md-contracts-covid-19-in-sydney-20210509-p57qaq

I'm somewhat surprised they outed him.  At least he was practising due diligence when it comes to business deals...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
What I do find really hard to believe is that China is still on 4,636 deaths, it has been on that for over 12 months now, what is China  not telling us??
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Nothing.  That's the total historical death.  Many councils are trying every means to encourage people to be vaccinated, including handing out free eggs or cash bonus.  Don't assume China must have as many daily deaths as some of their neighbours.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's a bit old now but your chances of surviving COVID19 in a western country in a chart - I guess if you are over 70 and have an 'underlying health condition' then you should really get the vaccine. But there's no compelling case for those under 50 and healthy to have it.

  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

It's a bit old now but your chances of surviving COVID19 in a western country in a chart - I guess if you are over 70 and have an 'underlying health condition' then you should really get the vaccine. But there's no compelling case for those under 50 and healthy to have it.

don_dunstan
You are hopeless Don. As has been said before on this thread, the vaccination will not necessarily prevent you from catching the virus: however it will reduce the severity if you do catch it. Ergo, then everyone should be vaccinated.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
It's a bit old now but your chances of surviving COVID19 in a western country in a chart - I guess if you are over 70 and have an 'underlying health condition' then you should really get the vaccine. But there's no compelling case for those under 50 and healthy to have it.

don_dunstan
Actually, there is a very strong and compelling case, lot's of under 50's have been whacked by the virus big time, really fit and healthy people have been laid low by it for week's, search the interwebs, you will come up with some news about it.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

It's a bit old now but your chances of surviving COVID19 in a western country in a chart - I guess if you are over 70 and have an 'underlying health condition' then you should really get the vaccine. But there's no compelling case for those under 50 and healthy to have it.

{{Excel Spreadsheet with the Advanced Epidemiology Modeling plugin}}
You are hopeless Don. As has been said before on this thread, the vaccination will not necessarily prevent you from catching the virus: however it will reduce the severity if you do catch it. Ergo, then everyone should be vaccinated.
nswtrains

I don't want to be vaccinated to protect myself (though that would be preferable).  

I want to be vaccinated primarily to protect other people.

Consequently @don, I perfectly understand why you don't want to be vaccinated personally.

BTW, the numbers are spectacularly wrong and clearly an estimate based on questionable observations from much earlier in the pandemic, presumably used to justify Sweden's highly successful and world leading response to the pandemic, unlike us nongs.

The biggest co-morbidity for Covid is age.  Being 60+ trumps everything else.  (AFAIK)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

And again...
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Guy quarantined in Adelaide came to Melbourne the tested positive, question is, is quarantine long enough?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Guy quarantined in Adelaide came to Melbourne the tested positive, question is, is quarantine long enough?
doyle
He probably caught it in the hotel.  Hotels that have shared A/C systems that spread it throughout the building.  Hopeless.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Then an aeroplane and airport terminals a uber to the city then a BBQ shop a pub or two a colesworth at Wheelers Hill and Cranbourne a gym a flower shop, several cafes at completely opposite ends of the suburban sprawl, the Sandringham line at 10.04am from Flinders Street and of course a Thai restaurant at Brighton
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Guy quarantined in Adelaide came to Melbourne the tested positive, question is, is quarantine long enough?
He probably caught it in the hotel.  Hotels that have shared A/C systems that spread it throughout the building.  Hopeless.
Carnot
Incubators - like suburban trains.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I seriously wonder whether any politician actually knows the definition of "quarantine."

Until it was Jeffed, we had an excellent Infectious Diseases Hospital at Fairfield (Melbourne), and it had a first class record of treatment and keeping infections in check.
What wouldn't we give for it now?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Then an aeroplane and airport terminals a uber to the city then a BBQ shop a pub or two a colesworth at Wheelers Hill and Cranbourne a gym a flower shop, several cafes at completely opposite ends of the suburban sprawl, the Sandringham line at 10.04am from Flinders Street and of course a Thai restaurant at Brighton
doyle

You can tell the contact tracers havn't finished, by virtue of not yet locating the Bunnings {strike}he{/strike} they went to while infectious.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

He worked in the CBD.  459 Collins St evacuated this morning:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-11/victoria-covid-19-case-man-north-of-melbourne/100131038

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