High Capacity Metro Trains (HCMT) Order

 
  Tii Locomotive Driver

Pakenham East Yard is looking very large indeed

bevans
That's impressive. Are they just delivered and ready to roll or are some sets already commissioned and in regular use now?

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Some are in service.
  Op Kronos Station Master

How does PVDY51 come up with a check letter A?
Something does not add up.
YM-Mundrabilla
Unfortunately I have no idea why, however what make sit even more confusing is that the power van used previously for X'Trapolis transfers is labelled as BVDY52 J.

In other news, set 18 entered service yesterday.

In addition, sets 28 and 29 are getting fitted out at Newport Workshops (from pictures I have seen by others I know).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How does PVDY51 come up with a check letter A?
Something does not add up.
Unfortunately I have no idea why, however what make sit even more confusing is that the power van used previously for X'Trapolis transfers is labelled as BVDY52 J.

In other news, set 18 entered service yesterday.

In addition, sets 28 and 29 are getting fitted out at Newport Workshops (from pictures I have seen by others I know).
Op Kronos
At least BVDY 52 check letter J is correct.

I remain amazed with all the gee wizz computerised maintenance, train and operational systems out there how they come to accept incorrect input data.

GIGO* I suppose.
* Garbage in garbage out.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

How does PVDY51 come up with a check letter A?
Something does not add up.
Unfortunately I have no idea why, however what make sit even more confusing is that the power van used previously for X'Trapolis transfers is labelled as BVDY52 J.

In other news, set 18 entered service yesterday.

In addition, sets 28 and 29 are getting fitted out at Newport Workshops (from pictures I have seen by others I know).
Op Kronos
We've got half the order here sitting around with two units in service?

How many are in proper revenue service, not just being touted out for a photo op to meet contractual obligations?

Lockie
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

How does PVDY51 come up with a check letter A?
Something does not add up.
Unfortunately I have no idea why, however what make sit even more confusing is that the power van used previously for X'Trapolis transfers is labelled as BVDY52 J.

In other news, set 18 entered service yesterday.

In addition, sets 28 and 29 are getting fitted out at Newport Workshops (from pictures I have seen by others I know).
We've got half the order here sitting around with two units in service?

How many are in proper revenue service, not just being touted out for a photo op to meet contractual obligations?

Lockie
Lockie91
Some people are taking note of which ones are coming into service.

So far, 4 sets are in revenue service. Set 8, 9, 11, 18

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0R4hSCPVAiG9zJfKMBoaLhmI1eYurIzqE_I-edNqgI/edit#gid=0
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A very interesting development. The Transport Dept refused to release a report on possible Uighur slave labour being used by CRRC to build the HCMTs in China. Vic Opposition are taking them to VCAT.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/transport-department-to-face-vcat-over-refusal-to-release-advice-on-uighurs-20210406-p57h03.html
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Interesting that they would relate the two issues.  The factory is in Changchun, Jilin Province, about 3000 km from Xinjiang.  Even if there were Uyghur workers, they won't be slaves as it's a State Owned Enterprise, not a family run workshop or private factory where slave labour are employed.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
A very interesting development. The Transport Dept refused to release a report on possible Uighur slave labour being used by CRRC to build the HCMTs in China. Vic Opposition are taking them to VCAT.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/transport-department-to-face-vcat-over-refusal-to-release-advice-on-uighurs-20210406-p57h03.html
Carnot

Yet the Vic opposition have no problem with Fuhrer Gladys having the latest tranche of B sets 100% manufactured in China.

Mind you they are probably too smegging stupid to even realise that.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

People are not stupid.  Do you think any worker with railway expertise is willing to work for nothing?  Sweatshop mostly happens in textile industry, which is considered a basic skill.  Albeit not an internationally recognized form of employment, they get free dormitory and meals which they don't get in the countryside.  Slavery just doesn't exist in rollingstock manufacturing.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's likely to be slave labour being used in the supply chain.  Of course they'll lie about it to save face.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner


Yet the Vic opposition have no problem with Fuhrer Gladys having the latest tranche of B sets 100% manufactured in China.

Mind you they are probably too smegging stupid to even realise that.
bingley hall
Why would the vic libs care about the NSW government? If they did I bet you would be jumping up and down about how they're more worried about their party than their constituents back home. Give it a rest, the political barracking is tiresome. Let this play out, let's hope nothing disgusting has happened whilst the car bodies were manufactured in china and then move on.
  Op Kronos Station Master

Set 28 was transferred from Newport Workshops to Pakenham East Depot behind P17 and P18 with the usual power van BVDY51 A sitting between the locos and train.
Photo (not mine) at: https://www.facebook.com/RailwaysOfD00M/photos/a.191578248001389/1075071856318686/

Set 29 is currently getting fitted out at Newport Workshops.
  Op Kronos Station Master

Set 14 entered service today (video (not mine)):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cKs2LhtqAE).

In addition, I have some observations from this video (again not mine) posted on 15/04/2021:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fohegYt89y0
  • What appears to be Set 3 (based on what I read to be carriage number 9903 which is visible from 0:46~0:47+1:18~1:22) which seems to indicate that it has returned to the place it was assembled at and had livery applied (along with maybe other works? and appears to have been split into its' individual carriages).
  • Set 29 having individual carriages fitted out with livery already applied (identified at 1:24)
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

There's a round trip each weekday around 1.30pm from pakenham, as well as around 10.30pm run by HCMTs. You can find them, because they leave about 3-5 minutes before the regularly scheduled 3tph from pakenham. Haven't seen them on a timetabled service yet, only on these extra runs (show up in Google Maps, but not on the PTV app)
  route14 Chief Commissioner

They are not concerned about vandalism at such a late time?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I would be more concerned about that at 2am than at 10:30pm.
  sean Station Staff

Location: Lidcombe, NSW, Australia
Does anyone have a timetable of these four sets in service? I will be going to Melbourne soon to have a look.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Does anyone have a timetable of these four sets in service? I will be going to Melbourne soon to have a look.
sean
Best just to check out the PTV App, they are not running 'regular timetabled services' just a few extras throughout the day. So the services that deviates from the standard 10 minute frequency is generally a HCMT.

Lockie
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Does anyone have a timetable of these four sets in service? I will be going to Melbourne soon to have a look.
sean
Look on google maps at Pakenham departures. You'll see that there is a clockface departure.



So you can see that VLine trains depart at xx:41 and Pakenham trains depart at xx:06pm, xx:26pm and xx:46pm (between AM and PM peak, this changes after PM peak)

So that 1.14pm train is a HCMT. They don't show up in the PTV app for me, but you know they're running because they will show up on the station platform PIDS.
  John E Locomotive Fireman

1st time boarding a HCMT last week at Carnegie. One thing I wasn't a big fan of inside the carriage was the amount of perspex screens. Is this a permanent feature or a COVID thing?

The screens along with the ceiling to floor handrails near the doors made the space feel a lot more "Closed In", considering that you can just walk through all the carriages now.

Not picking again but I wasn't a huge fan of the silver plastic on the back of the chairs too.
  John E Locomotive Fireman

Of course there are big improvements. What caught my eye was the sleek look of the train from the outside and the little rubber stretch at the door makes it slightly easier to embark and disembark when you have a pram/bike etc.

Also when the train is moving at higher speeds it feels smoother and quieter comapred to the Comeng, which I rode on the same stretch of track. This isn't a big thing when you're never doing more than 80km/h buy I'm curious what the performance would be at 100km/h compared to the XTRAP and Comeng.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think the look of the HCMT is very unimaginative to be honest. It has the doors of a Comeng, the body shell of an X'Trap, the window shape of a Siemens and the cab of a Vlocity.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Chinese are not taught to be imaginative to be honest.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A nice photo around Richmond?





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