X’Trapolis 2.0 announcement

 
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
I like the open layout, but that's only a face a mother could love. I also think some sort of shroud for the front coupler like the HCMTs. I also have to agree with the point about the "porthole" on the side of the drivers cab.

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  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Looks like Perth has gone with the X'Trap 2.0 (C-Class in WA nomenclenture) to replace their ageing A-Class trains

https://www.metronet.wa.gov.au/projects/railcar-program

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A nice modern look they have too.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It's certainly one of the better jobs of masking the modern frontal collision structures that I've seen.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
An X'Trap married a Siemens and a Perth train popped out?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Feast your eyes on this FOI request:

  notadriver Beginner

Airbag suspension here we come
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

My question is which line would the XTrap 2.0 run on? IMO it should run Clifton Hill Group considering all the lines getting extra capacity from MM1. Mernda and Hurstbridge trains were some of the more crowded pre-pandemic.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
My question is which line would the XTrap 2.0 run on? IMO it should run Clifton Hill Group considering all the lines getting extra capacity from MM1. Mernda and Hurstbridge trains were some of the more crowded pre-pandemic.
Jordy33
I think it should go to the Cross-City group and the Northern Group (excluding the Sunbury line) to replace the entire Comeng fleet and to add capacity.
  712M Chief Commissioner

IMO Mernda/Hurstbridge would be better off served by the HCMT moving forward, given the level of growth that this line is expecting between now and when MM2 is eventually built and the capacity issues between Clifton Hill and the city.  

This would allow the X’Trapolis 100s on that group to be cascaded to the Cross City (alongside the Siemens fleet) and Burnley Groups, and X’Trapolis 2.0 to serve Sandringham, Craigieburn, Upfield and eventually Wyndham Vale and Melton.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

IMO doesn't count for much.

MM1 Business case includes a fleet cascade plan, with "next gen suburban trains" going to Cross City Group and Craigieburn/Upfield. Semiens get moved to Sandringham, allowing for the retirement of the remaining Comengs. With some older units marked for retirement next year once the HCMTs are operating.

However, with nothing in the budget for new trains it will be a couple of years before we see any of this come into effect.

Lockie
  Jordy33 Locomotive Fireman

IMO doesn't count for much.

MM1 Business case includes a fleet cascade plan, with "next gen suburban trains" going to Cross City Group and Craigieburn/Upfield. Semiens get moved to Sandringham, allowing for the retirement of the remaining Comengs. With some older units marked for retirement next year once the HCMTs are operating.

However, with nothing in the budget for new trains it will be a couple of years before we see any of this come into effect.

Lockie
Lockie91
Wouldn’t 36 6Car Siemens be very overkill for Sandringham? I’ll expect Craigieburn/Upfield to run an significant amount of the spare Siemens given Cross-City can run existing X’Trapolis + likely some X’Trapolis 2.0. Craigieburn and Upfield seem like they could be the last lines the Comengs would operate on with Siemens.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
IMO Mernda/Hurstbridge would be better off served by the HCMT moving forward, given the level of growth that this line is expecting between now and when MM2 is eventually built and the capacity issues between Clifton Hill and the city.  

This would allow the X’Trapolis 100s on that group to be cascaded to the Cross City (alongside the Siemens fleet) and Burnley Groups, and X’Trapolis 2.0 to serve Sandringham, Craigieburn, Upfield and eventually Wyndham Vale and Melton.
712M
Melton/Wyndham Vale would need to go HCMT since they will most likely be routed through MM1 which will have platform screen doors thus only train types with the same door position as those of the HCMT will be able to serve these lines.
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More info

Designed and manufactured predominantly in Victoria, the new trains will provide a vital boost to the state’s advanced rolling stock manufacturing industry – particularly in regional Victoria, with at least 150 of the new jobs to be based at Alstom’s Ballarat facility.

This vital investment in new trains will also support the gradual retirement of the Comeng fleet – the longest-running trains on the metropolitan network – with the new trains set to run through some of Melbourne’s fastest-growing suburbs along the Craigieburn, Upfield and Frankston lines.
Somebody

and maintenance goes to

Part of the investment will also upgrade the Craigieburn Train Maintenance Facility, creating space for these modern trains and improving train maintenance to make the fleet more reliable and improve their longevity.
Somebody

It is s shame Ballarat is not on the electrified network making it a perfect place for the maintenance also.

I also see they will have some new battery technology allowing them to run with wires?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Running battery trains is asking for trouble IMO.  Why is it so hard for new overhead to go in?  (It should be 25 kV AC btw, but I don't thing this will happen)

Remember too that 25x6 carriage XTrap 2.0's = 150 carriages.  We currently have 558 Comeng carriages in service...
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Running battery trains is asking for trouble IMO.  Why is it so hard for new overhead to go in?  (It should be 25 kV AC btw, but I don't thing this will happen)

Remember too that 25x6 carriage XTrap 2.0's = 150 carriages.  We currently have 558 Comeng carriages in service...
Carnot
558 Comeng Carriages

455 HCMT Carriages (65*7) increasing to 650 (65*10)

150 Xtrap 2.0 Carriages, with no doubt way more to come. Comengs are easily accounted for.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Running battery trains is asking for trouble IMO.  Why is it so hard for new overhead to go in?  (It should be 25 kV AC btw, but I don't thing this will happen)

Remember too that 25x6 carriage XTrap 2.0's = 150 carriages.  We currently have 558 Comeng carriages in service...
Carnot

I would be building these for dual voltage and getting some overhead up and running.  It is just a joke now the planning.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
More info

Designed and manufactured predominantly in Victoria, the new trains will provide a vital boost to the state’s advanced rolling stock manufacturing industry – particularly in regional Victoria, with at least 150 of the new jobs to be based at Alstom’s Ballarat facility.

This vital investment in new trains will also support the gradual retirement of the Comeng fleet – the longest-running trains on the metropolitan network – with the new trains set to run through some of Melbourne’s fastest-growing suburbs along the Craigieburn, Upfield and Frankston lines.

and maintenance goes to

Part of the investment will also upgrade the Craigieburn Train Maintenance Facility, creating space for these modern trains and improving train maintenance to make the fleet more reliable and improve their longevity.

It is s shame Ballarat is not on the electrified network making it a perfect place for the maintenance also.

I also see they will have some new battery technology allowing them to run with wires?
bevans
get real !!!

Craigeburn is the obvious site for minor maintenance (up to boggie swap). It's already the biggest in the state, looking after the current Xtrap & others.
More Xtrap = more minor maintence = more tracks/another lift road.

For major maintenance, Ballarat does just fine. It's not like a train needs major repairs every day.
Attached to a Desiel & Power van, transfer is a lot simpler than 25kv electric install (and making Xtraps dual voltage) as also suggested - for at most 1 train per week.

Must also point out, no way ever would Xtrap do the passenger commute to Ballarat. So where really is the lack of foresight

cheers
John

EDIT. Pakenham East might have now taken the title of "the biggest".
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
I'm sure most have already seen the new render but for those that have not:

https://transport.vic.gov.au/-/media/xtrapolis-2.png?h=305&w=500&la=en&hash=D2881DE3B73DC9B489B8EC20ABBF47D2

From: https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/new-train-and-tram-orders

Looks like the old cab design has been vlo-isised
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
I'm sure most have already seen the new render but for those that have not:

https://transport.vic.gov.au/-/media/xtrapolis-2.png?h=305&w=500&la=en&hash=D2881DE3B73DC9B489B8EC20ABBF47D2

From: https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/new-train-and-tram-orders

Looks like the old cab design has been vlo-isised
Goose13
If that ugly snout stops the morons from standing there, all for it.

OR, could borrow the design from HCMT and confuse everybody.

cheers
John
  Upven Junior Train Controller

Guess the ugly yellow is set in stone now.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

IMO doesn't count for much.

MM1 Business case includes a fleet cascade plan, with "next gen suburban trains" going to Cross City Group and Craigieburn/Upfield. Semiens get moved to Sandringham, allowing for the retirement of the remaining Comengs. With some older units marked for retirement next year once the HCMTs are operating.

However, with nothing in the budget for new trains it will be a couple of years before we see any of this come into effect.

Lockie
Lockie91
Yep. Victoria has kind of lost the plot when it comes to Rolling Stock. That's why this state we are installing state of the art Information systems in Comengs and giving old H type carriages the new PTV livery. What a joke.

Incidentally, after 2025 the Cross City Group will be Werribee/Laverton/Williamstown and Sandringham. The Frankston services will move back to the City loop.


Michael
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
IMO doesn't count for much.

MM1 Business case includes a fleet cascade plan, with "next gen suburban trains" going to Cross City Group and Craigieburn/Upfield. Semiens get moved to Sandringham, allowing for the retirement of the remaining Comengs. With some older units marked for retirement next year once the HCMTs are operating.

However, with nothing in the budget for new trains it will be a couple of years before we see any of this come into effect.

Lockie
Yep. Victoria has kind of lost the plot when it comes to Rolling Stock. That's why this state we are installing state of the art Information systems in Comengs and giving old H type carriages the new PTV livery. What a joke.

Incidentally, after 2025 the Cross City Group will be Werribee/Laverton/Williamstown and Sandringham. The Frankston services will move back to the City loop.

Michael
mejhammers1
I don't see the point of quoting a December 1 2019 post that talks about no funding, in a previous budget, immediately after a subsequent budget announcement funding the purchase of new trains. Trying to make a point using a post that has just been made redundant is pretty pointless IMHO

Neil
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

IMO doesn't count for much.

MM1 Business case includes a fleet cascade plan, with "next gen suburban trains" going to Cross City Group and Craigieburn/Upfield. Semiens get moved to Sandringham, allowing for the retirement of the remaining Comengs. With some older units marked for retirement next year once the HCMTs are operating.

However, with nothing in the budget for new trains it will be a couple of years before we see any of this come into effect.

Lockie
Yep. Victoria has kind of lost the plot when it comes to Rolling Stock. That's why this state we are installing state of the art Information systems in Comengs and giving old H type carriages the new PTV livery. What a joke.

Incidentally, after 2025 the Cross City Group will be Werribee/Laverton/Williamstown and Sandringham. The Frankston services will move back to the City loop.

Michael
I don't see the point of quoting a December 1 2019 post that talks about no funding, in a previous budget, immediately after a subsequent budget announcement funding the purchase of new trains. Trying to make a point using a post that has just been made redundant is pretty pointless IMHO

Neil
ngarner
Neil, for the record, I do believe that they will fund new trains. But I am arguing that it is such a scatter gun approach. In addition to 25 new XTraps 2.0, we are in this state installing advanced Info systems in old trains and refurbishing very old carriages. Everything seems to be done in an ad-hoc fashion when it comes to rolling stock.

Michael

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