The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

You can definitely make the case that we are doing this predominantly to save 80+ year old's who are already very fail with little quality of life left and probably within 2 years of dying anyway...

I have a friend who will be 101 in a couple of weeks, he doesn't look like he will be dying any time soon. My mother is 91, has many health problems, but her doctor told her recently that she may live for another 10-20 years. Then there's Dexter Kruger...

Just because someone is over 80 doesn't necessarily mean that they will die within a couple of years!
Graham4405
I am not advocating that we let the virus run rampant through society and I accept the need for restrictions whilst the vaccination numbers are so low, but society and the next generation shouldn't have to stop for eternity and fundamentally change the way they live so my 98 year old grandfather bed ridden in a nursing home makes it to 100.

People 80+ tend to die a lot, it is the age when people kick off for any number of reasons. Plenty of people die in their 60s and 70s for a whole bunch of reasons other than seasonal infections.

Sure, have the restrictions now, get people vaccinated so we don't have a slaughter, but then once the vulnerable have had their vaccinations, it is time to look at living with the virus...because we actually have no choice in the long run.

Living with the virus may well mean retaining border closures and QR codes for years to come. It may even mean regular local lockdowns. But once we have all of the vulnerable groups vaccinated we really shouldn't be locking down millions of people for weeks at a time as soon as we have a dozen cases.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

NSW cluster is up to 4 individuals now.  Fun times....
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Worth noting that 800 people died from the flu in Australia in 2019 (many of them probably had the fluvax anyway), 40 in 2020, 0 in 2021 so far:
Should be no surprise that measures to stop something as infectious as COVID would also have a dramatic effect on the Flu.
To me this says that some of the more basic precautions should have been taken long ago, (social distancing, hand washing/sanitising, a vigorous cleaning regime etc) and most (if not all) of the flu deaths may have been avoided. From an economic point-of-view we could have a more productive workforce too...
It goes without saying that people should be hygienic, but do you expect all of society to adopt social distancing year-after-year to prevent about 800 deaths a year amongst the elderly?

So no contact sports ever again? No gyms? No dance studios? No bars and nightclubs? Strict office distancing rules forever?

No more crush loads and trains and trams?

It is not realistic. Humans don't live that way.
Mr. Lane
Note I said basic precautions, including social distancing. I didn't mean no contact etc, just being more careful, giving people their own space in public, not pushing and shoving in the supermarkets etc. In other words common sense should prevail. Yes, people should be hygienic, but many aren't.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
People 80+ tend to die a lot
Mr. Lane
Really? Most only die once! Wink
  doyle Chief Commissioner

When are they going to dump the astrazeneca vaccine?
  ixlr8 Station Master

Location: Melbourne
When are they going to dump the astrazeneca vaccine?
doyle
Why? Revisit AstraZeneca risk/benefit profile, compare with many activities we do daily without thought of risk, review the literature on how poor humans are at risk evaluation and note emerging myocardial events from mRNA vaccines. Both will have their place.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
When are they going to dump the astrazeneca vaccine?
"doyle"
Why? I'm statistically more likely to cark it from a lot more causes than getting blood clots from AZ vaccine. The percentage is infinitesimally small. I have had my first AZ, and have no hesitation in lining up for my second in a few weeks.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
When are they going to dump the astrazeneca vaccine?
Why? I'm statistically more likely to cark it from a lot more causes than getting blood clots from AZ vaccine. The percentage is infinitesimally small. I have had my first AZ, and have no hesitation in lining up for my second in a few weeks.
Valvegear
Get my second Astra Zeneca (AZ) on Saturday 19/6 and am still planning to hang around to annoy hell out of those who talk gibberish in acronyms and measure things in Olympic Swimming Pools and double decker busses.

If it wasn't for AZ we would be doomed, doomed, as we have more or less proved that there is bugger all else available here in Oz at the moment or for the realistic short term future.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I doubt we are going to even get the population to 50% full vaccination by the end of the year now. Not even 25% have had the first dose and people are pulling out of the AZ shots in droves.

People who have had the first AZ shot should be denied access to Pfizer. We don't have the luxury of switching everyone to Pfizer. If we are all waiting for Pfizer the vaccination program will go well into next year.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Masks have been made mandatory on Public Transport up here now, this came in effect at 4:00pm today.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'They' are telling those who have had their first AZ vaccination to go ahead with the second regardless. Saying that the risk of clotting is far less than with the first dose and that no-one here in Oz has had a clot following their second dose.

What they don't tell us is the minimal numbers who have, as yet, had a second AZ shot and even fewer in the normal time frame for an adverse reaction.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Inspiring speech about the curtailment of liberties because of COVID19 from British MP Sir Desmond Swayne - only two minutes long, have a look:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3J0wHeEPc
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Inspiring speech about the curtailment of liberties because of COVID19 from British MP Sir Desmond Swayne - only two minutes long, have a look:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e3J0wHeEPc
don_dunstan
What a twit, in a country that had over 10,000 new confirmed cases on June 18.

I am glad we have sensible politicians (on both sides of the House) and a mainly complaisant population in NZ. Now over 115 days since our last community case (and far longer in the South Island)

Although I had my first Pfizer vaccine last Monday and the second in 2 and a half weeks, I am still nervous about the flight booked to Sydney in late July to visit my relatives and, despite having airline vouchers, am not even considering a return to Europe.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Inspiring speech about the curtailment of liberties because of COVID19 from British MP Sir Desmond Swayne - only two minutes long, have a look:
What a twit, in a country that had over 10,000 new confirmed cases on June 18.
Brianr
Civil liberties don't matter as long as we're saving the lives of the morbidly obese and nursing home residents. Right?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Inspiring speech about the curtailment of liberties because of COVID19 from British MP Sir Desmond Swayne - only two minutes long, have a look:
What a twit, in a country that had over 10,000 new confirmed cases on June 18.
Civil liberties don't matter as long as we're saving the lives of the morbidly obese and nursing home residents. Right?
don_dunstan
Here you go again, speaking gibberish as per usual, it's not just morbidly obese and the elderly that are affected from covid- it affects those who are middle age and quite fit as well, ever heard of Long Covid- I would strongly advise you to look it up.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Civil liberties don't matter ...
Here you go again, speaking gibberish as per usual, it's not just ...
lsrailfan

Come on Israilfan.  @RealDonaldTrump was controversial to say the least.  But surely even you agree with his 41st amendment: "The right to spread pestilence."    /s
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Issues are rising in Sydney with the latest outbreak and the approach has been more tempered than Victoria where masks are only required around the areas where the virus has been identified not blanket reactions.

No lockdown has been announced, no damage to business confidence.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Issues are rising in Sydney with the latest outbreak and the approach has been more tempered than Victoria where masks are only required around the areas where the virus has been identified not blanket reactions.

No lockdown has been announced, no damage to business confidence.
bevans
Maybe.  Half expecting Vic to slam the border shut with NSW in a day or two.

And the circus continues...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You are right the circus continues with the truth about the Vaccine.

  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
You are right the circus continues with the truth about the Vaccine.

bevans
Supposed to stop you dying and/or becoming so seriously ill as to need hospitalisation or ICU.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

You are right the circus continues with the truth about the Vaccine.

Supposed to stop you dying and/or becoming so seriously ill as to need hospitalisation or ICU.
YM-Mundrabilla
Agree, YM. And the technique for handling a difficult question and disappearing was learned from the member for Cook.
Expecting the situation in Sydney and surrounds to deteriorate, the list of exposure sites is huge.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

You are right the circus continues with the truth about the Vaccine.

"Just because you're vaccinated, you can still get infected, and be infectious."
Supposed to stop you dying and/or becoming so seriously ill as to need hospitalisation or ICU.
YM-Mundrabilla

No.

Vaccination reduces your probability of becoming infected and infectious ... IF ... your behaviour doesn't change.

Vaccinated people can't organise a sing-song in the Covid ward, the go back to work at the nursing home.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

What a joke the ABC has become,
split screen with Michael McCormack in the bottom corner in silence with the military presser somehow being more important

I call for a coupe d'état Fiji style banana Republic.. No no Frank Bainimarama
  doyle Chief Commissioner

coup d'état yeah yeah whatever

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