Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I definitely see a charge coming. Whether said charge is passed on to the end user...

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I too recently used the PTV bus to travel to Broadmeadows as Vinelander Snr recently flew to Melbourne for a medical appointment but I digress. I think it's a good facility. It has toilets and keeps all the buses and V/Line long distance buses all together under cover. Walking is easy, under cover over smooth concrete from any part of the terminal.

Broadmeadows station is earmarked for future development so there will probably be changes.

Mike.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Is there space for an SG platform at a rebuilt sunshine station ?

Coming from the north east myself it has been inconvenient to not be able to get on or off at sunshine regardless of the airport line developments. Time for a letter to the ministers office ?
freightgate

This is a bad idea. This would do nothing other then to create congestion on NE SG trains to/from sunshine because it will be a faster journey. It would be better to make the broadmeadows to airport connection better then to put a platform in for SG at Sunshine. The suburban rail loop is supposed to resolve your issue anyway.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner


This is a bad idea. This would do nothing other then to create congestion on NE SG trains to/from sunshine because it will be a faster journey. It would be better to make the broadmeadows to airport connection better then to put a platform in for SG at Sunshine. The suburban rail loop is supposed to resolve your issue anyway.
simstrain
The SRL won't go via Sunshine, now that MARL has taken that path. By the time any decision is made on SRL west of the Airport, will be 2030 if not 2040.

SRL via Sunshine was an idea at the time, because MARL was to go via Maribyrnong. Not anymore.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The latest MAP I could find from RPV is posted here



This maps shows trains for the Airport Line a part of the Metro Rail Tunnel 1 project.  Long way around for taking a bigger view of the patronage?
  ballhammer475 Beginner

Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.
ballhammer475
You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.
You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?
railblogger
Agreed, too much expense for 5 trains per day. What I do not understand is if the SRL will not call at Sunshine, why is there a need to double the size of the station? Unless of course they are going to build to extra tracks for electrification of local services to Melton.


Michael
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.
You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?
Agreed, too much expense for 5 trains per day. What I do not understand is if the SRL will not call at Sunshine, why is there a need to double the size of the station? Unless of course they are going to build to extra tracks for electrification of local services to Melton.


Michael
mejhammers1
My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.
ballhammer475

That might be a sensible option but would you get support from V/Line to do that?  I am constantly amazed at how V/Line don;t seem to advocate enough for what is best for their customers.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.
railblogger
What the SRL will be west of the Airport is anyone's guess (if it happens at all).

When the SRL was first announced, it was mooted for Airport-Sunshine before the MARL alignment was chosen (at the time it was looking likely that MARL would be the Maribyrnong tunnel)

Now that MARL will go Airport-Sunshine, there is no need for the SRL to do the same, opening up the door potentially for the SRL to keep going as a middle ring loop rather than doing a dog leg from Airport-Sunshine-Werribee (which would not really serve it's purpose like out east compared to say a Airport-Watergardens-Caroline Springs-Tarneit-Williams Landing-Point Cook)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.
What the SRL will be west of the Airport is anyone's guess (if it happens at all).

When the SRL was first announced, it was mooted for Airport-Sunshine before the MARL alignment was chosen (at the time it was looking likely that MARL would be the Maribyrnong tunnel)

Now that MARL will go Airport-Sunshine, there is no need for the SRL to do the same, opening up the door potentially for the SRL to keep going as a middle ring loop rather than doing a dog leg from Airport-Sunshine-Werribee (which would not really serve it's purpose like out east compared to say a Airport-Watergardens-Caroline Springs-Tarneit-Williams Landing-Point Cook)
John.Z
Mostly logical.  Although much of it might need to go above ground given how difficult the geology is around there.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Mostly logical.  Although much of it might need to go above ground given how difficult the geology is around there.
Carnot
Some of it could go above ground if they made a rail reserve right now, however I suspect it would be mostly underground if built due to lack of foresight.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.
You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?
Agreed, too much expense for 5 trains per day. What I do not understand is if the SRL will not call at Sunshine, why is there a need to double the size of the station? Unless of course they are going to build to extra tracks for electrification of local services to Melton.


Michael
My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.
railblogger
That idea has long sense been buried. Its going to use a differing voltage (25kv/ac, compared to 1500dc everywhere else) and will most probably be a differing gauge sadly (you all know the one!)
  simstrain Chief Commissioner


This is a bad idea. This would do nothing other then to create congestion on NE SG trains to/from sunshine because it will be a faster journey. It would be better to make the broadmeadows to airport connection better then to put a platform in for SG at Sunshine. The suburban rail loop is supposed to resolve your issue anyway.The SRL won't go via Sunshine, now that MARL has taken that path. By the time any decision is made on SRL west of the Airport, will be 2030 if not 2040.

SRL via Sunshine was an idea at the time, because MARL was to go via Maribyrnong. Not anymore.
John.Z
What I meant is that there is going to be a station at broadmeadows on the SRL according to the map I have seen.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

That idea has long sense been buried. Its going to use a differing voltage (25kv/ac, compared to 1500dc everywhere else) and will most probably be a differing gauge sadly (you all know the one!)
Dangersdan707

Is the suburban rail loop going to be standard gauge? Oh how this must hurt the dangerous one if this is true.......
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yes, Standard gauge. And 25kv AC.

Lots of cities have mixed gauges for metropolitan lines. I.e San Francisco.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes, Standard gauge. And 25kv AC.

Lots of cities have mixed gauges for metropolitan lines. I.e San Francisco.
Carnot

Can I suggest if this is SG and I hope it is then that network could be connected to the SG land based network for expansion of SG based services with OHW?  Just a dream or sensible?

San Francisco has more than SG running in the Bay area?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Mostly logical.  Although much of it might need to go above ground given how difficult the geology is around there.
Some of it could go above ground if they made a rail reserve right now, however I suspect it would be mostly underground if built due to lack of foresight.
John.Z
Of course ! Laughing

25 years ago when the opening of the shopping centre foreshadowed the complete buildin in-fill for miles around,
somebody should have had the foresight that an SRL would be built along @John.Z 's grand vision.

PS. The Airport/Watergardens/Carolyn Springs/Tarneit route is at least 10km of tunnel. Price tag another $10B+. Very little available above ground.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yes, Standard gauge. And 25kv AC.

Lots of cities have mixed gauges for metropolitan lines. I.e San Francisco.

Can I suggest if this is SG and I hope it is then that network could be connected to the SG land based network for expansion of SG based services with OHW?  Just a dream or sensible?

San Francisco has more than SG running in the Bay area?
bevans
Its been confirmed the rolling stock will be smaller, think light metro, tighter curves, steeper grades, smaller trains. You'd have to check the clearances. I find it highly improbable this will be connected to any broader SG, as stage 1 is the bloody eastern suburbs and its confirmed already to be entirely segregated all other rail networks. Being done in the vain of many metro lines worldwide, Different Gauge and voltage, different everything. Very Much a Gunzel Dream that this will interconnect to the broader SG network and will allow for further gauge change.


As for San Francisco, Yes. Bart (Bay Area "rapid" transit) is Indian gauge, (5'6), the Cable trams are 3'6 (Counting them as they are ran by Muni). Everything else i.e. Caltrain, Muni "Metro", ACE, Amtrak, ect are all SG as you'd expect.

Also @Ymmundrambilla YABUA "OHW"
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
That idea has long sense been buried. Its going to use a differing voltage (25kv/ac, compared to 1500dc everywhere else) and will most probably be a differing gauge sadly (you all know the one!)

Is the suburban rail loop going to be standard gauge? Oh how this must hurt the dangerous one if this is true.......
simstrain
Sadly that is going to be the case, but at least no broad gauge will be harmed in the process.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Of course ! Laughing

25 years ago when the opening of the shopping centre foreshadowed the complete buildin in-fill for miles around,
somebody should have had the foresight that an SRL would be built along @John.Z 's grand vision.

PS. The Airport/Watergardens/Carolyn Springs/Tarneit route is at least 10km of tunnel. Price tag another $10B+. Very little available above ground.
justarider
I'm glad you need me to spell it out for you.

Who cares what the planning was 25 years ago? No one was planning to build a railway from Cheltenham to Box Hill then either, so we have to tunnel. Now that the SRL is a project, now we can start looking at places where we can start to reserve space for a rail corridor in the future if it continues west as a loop through the middle middle suburbs (which WG/CS/T will be in 25 years time).

If they want to tunnel it all, no problemo. Would be nice to somewhat think about it.

Look at all the space that we've set aside for freeways following the 1969 plan. The mordialloc freeway is being built on land set aside decades ago for this exact purpose. The Railways should do the same.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Of course ! Laughing

25 years ago when the opening of the shopping centre foreshadowed the complete buildin in-fill for miles around,
somebody should have had the foresight that an SRL would be built along @John.Z 's grand vision.

PS. The Airport/Watergardens/Carolyn Springs/Tarneit route is at least 10km of tunnel. Price tag another $10B+. Very little available above ground.
I'm glad you need me to spell it out for you.

Who cares what the planning was 25 years ago? No one was planning to build a railway from Cheltenham to Box Hill then either, so we have to tunnel. Now that the SRL is a project, now we can start looking at places where we can start to reserve space for a rail corridor in the future if it continues west as a loop through the middle middle suburbs (which WG/CS/T will be in 25 years time).

If they want to tunnel it all, no problemo. Would be nice to somewhat think about it.

Look at all the space that we've set aside for freeways following the 1969 plan. The mordialloc freeway is being built on land set aside decades ago for this exact purpose. The Railways should do the same.
John.Z
For your corridor, can you spell out one square metre of land between the Western Freeway and Ballarat Rd, that has not already been built upon
(Taylors Creek excluded)
But what is a few hundred houses to be bulldozed, between us gunzels

Cheltenham to Box Hill have been built over for about 50 years. The 1969 plan knew that, and looked to expand traffic further out.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Note subtle change in SRL maps recently,  changed from a direct line Sunshine to Werribee to  .......

Sunshine via Deer Park,  Wyndham Vale, Black Forest Road, then looping back to Browns Road on the original Geelong line to reach Werribee.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Do you have a before and after you could post/link for our gratification?

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