The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Sydney needs to implement a one person per household per day essential shopping restriction and a 5 kilometre radius from home exercise limit as soon as possible.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Israel says that the Pfizer vaccine is just 39% effective against preventing you from catching the Delta strain of COVID19 but that it's still worth taking - CNBC;

Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.

The efficacy figure, which is based on an unspecified number of people between June 20 and July 17, is down from an earlier estimate of 64% two weeks ago and conflicts with data out of the U.K. that found the shot was 88% effective against symptomatic disease caused by the variant.

However, the two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data published Thursday.

“We have to be mindful that, with time, the effectiveness of these vaccines may wane,” said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease professor at the University of Toronto.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
163 cases of local transmissions in the local community, at least 45 infectious whilst in the community, now for the good news, I have booked in for an A-Z Vaccine at my local medical centre Plaza next Tuesday, I did want Pfizer, but after making enquiries, there wasn't enough of it around.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Not good in NSW, 163 cases and 70+ infectious in the community for at least part of their infectious period.

EDIT: Some figures for cases in hospital

NSW: 139 COVID patients currently in hospitalDr McAnulty says 37 of those are in intensive care, 17 of whom require ventilation.
There are currently 28 people under the age of 35 in hospital.
Of those in the ICU:
  • 36 are not vaccinated
  • One is partially vaccinated, having received the first dose of AstraZeneca
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Not good in NSW, 163 cases and 70+ infectious in the community for at least part of their infectious period.
Greensleeves

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

That's quite a high number of young people in hospital.

Surprised about the open houses still in Sydney. But then I shouldn't be given how property developers run the joint and the place is going broke.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

That's quite a high number of young people in hospital.

Surprised about the open houses still in Sydney. But then I shouldn't be given how property developers run the joint and the place is going broke.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

163 cases of local transmissions in the local community, at least 45 infectious whilst in the community, now for the good news, I have booked in for an A-Z Vaccine at my local medical centre Plaza next Tuesday, I did want Pfizer, but after making enquiries, there wasn't enough of it around.
lsrailfan
PM sent.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Several 1,000 dickhead protestors were in Sydney today, clashing with police over the Lockdown's, sometimes you do have to wonder what goes on in these people's heads!
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Sydney has recorded 163 new cases of locally acquired coronavirus, from more than 93,000 tests.
Forty-five of those people were out in the community while infectious.
That’s up from 136 new cases the day before.
Health Minister Brad Hazzard has told a press conference the situation is escalating but pleas to stay home and in your immediate family unit were still being ignored.
“It was only a few days ago that we were in the 70s. So what it is telling us is we have a continuing and growing problem, particularly in south-west and western Sydney,” Mr Hazzard said.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Several 1,000 dickhead protestors were in Sydney today, clashing with police over the Lockdown's, sometimes you do have to wonder what goes on in these people's heads!
lsrailfan
They let 30,000+ people go to the footy in Melbourne a few weeks ago and that turned out to be a 'super spreader' event. And it was sanctioned. As were the BLM protests 12 months ago in Melbourne at the height of the second lock-down.

A few thousand people marching around an empty Sydney CBD isn't going to make much difference.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Several 1,000 dickhead protestors were in Sydney today, clashing with police over the Lockdown's, sometimes you do have to wonder what goes on in these people's heads!
They let 30,000+ people go to the footy in Melbourne a few weeks ago and that turned out to be a 'super spreader' event. And it was sanctioned. As were the BLM protests 12 months ago in Melbourne at the height of the second lock-down.

A few thousand people marching around an empty Sydney CBD isn't going to make much difference.
don_dunstan
Point being though, it is against the law as it currently stands, no it might not make a big bit of difference to the spread of the Delta variant, but it is not a good look to be doing it, they only go out there to become purposefully violent anyway.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Several 1,000 dickhead protestors were in Sydney today, clashing with police over the Lockdown's, sometimes you do have to wonder what goes on in these people's heads!
They let 30,000+ people go to the footy in Melbourne a few weeks ago and that turned out to be a 'super spreader' event. And it was sanctioned. As were the BLM protests 12 months ago in Melbourne at the height of the second lock-down.

A few thousand people marching around an empty Sydney CBD isn't going to make much difference.
don_dunstan
'... And it was sanctioned. ...'
Sacred cows - you overlook that the AFL is the de facto government of Wictoria.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Several 1,000 dickhead protestors were in Sydney today, clashing with police over the Lockdown's, sometimes you do have to wonder what goes on in these people's heads!
They let 30,000+ people go to the footy in Melbourne a few weeks ago and that turned out to be a 'super spreader' event. And it was sanctioned. As were the BLM protests 12 months ago in Melbourne at the height of the second lock-down.

A few thousand people marching around an empty Sydney CBD isn't going to make much difference.
Point being though, it is against the law as it currently stands, no it might not make a big bit of difference to the spread of the Delta variant, but it is not a good look to be doing it, they only go out there to become purposefully violent anyway.
lsrailfan
From the footage that I've seen so far it's the police who are being violent and trying to intimidate by picking individuals off and arresting them. This did NOT happen at the equally-illegal BLM marches 12 months ago.

It's probably not a good idea for those few thousand people to march in Sydney right now but the whole of the CBD is locked down anyway so as with the BLM people why not just let them have their little march around and then tell them politely to go home? I don't understand the hostility from the government - or then again maybe they're trying to make a point about people who openly defy them (who aren't BLM).
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I know this is only @twitter, but WTF?

  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Are there any subsequent exposure sites at real-estate 'open inspections'? I'd be curious to know.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Are there any subsequent exposure sites at real-estate 'open inspections'? I'd be curious to know.
don_dunstan
In NSW, building sites or workplace exposure sites not open to the general population are not announced/publicised.  (ie, if they think they know everyone who's been there, they don't make it public)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

What are people's thoughts on denying healthcare to the today's protesters if they come down with Covid?
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
What are people's thoughts on denying healthcare to the today's protesters if they come down with Covid?
Carnot
100% for it.

If you're not going to help yourself, don't come crying to the rest of us when something happens. In other words, they made their bed and they can lie in it.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

What are people's thoughts on denying healthcare to the today's protesters if they come down with Covid?
Carnot
A step down the road to totalitarianism.

I disagree with their message.  I think they are extraordinarily irresponsible and have put many people at risk.  But denying people the right to protest is hugely dangerous IMHO.  Denying people the right to health care based on political views is also hugely dangerous.

But they should be fined/prosecuted for violating public health orders, in the same way John Barilaro's daughter was (or wasn't).
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
What are people's thoughts on denying healthcare to the today's protesters if they come down with Covid?
100% for it.

If you're not going to help yourself, don't come crying to the rest of us when something happens. In other words, they made their bed and they can lie in it.
Greensleeves
Interesting comment with which I partially agree. The problem is where do you draw the line? I suspect many of us have inadvertently done something that is in breach of COVID-19 guidelines, a handshake or a hug here or there...
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
What are people's thoughts on denying healthcare to the today's protesters if they come down with Covid?
100% for it.

If you're not going to help yourself, don't come crying to the rest of us when something happens. In other words, they made their bed and they can lie in it.
Interesting comment with which I partially agree. The problem is where do you draw the line? I suspect many of us have inadvertently done something that is in breach of COVID-19 guidelines, a handshake or a hug here or there...
Graham4405
I'd draw it at deliberate actions. Inadvertent stuff we've all done, but I don't think there'd be many people who'd rock up to the protest area at this point in time and go "oh no, what a shame I'm all of a sudden at the protest".

A quick look at the social media feeds and activity of the people there would also give a good idea of if they were there deliberately or not too...
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Deny healthcare to those involved in todays protests and you are also suggesting denying healthcare to the majority of those who develop lung cancer - for the vast majority of that is caused by voluntary smoking...Though I agree with that concept too!

FWIW, I agree with the protest - for the simple reason I believe people should be responsible for their own health at this point in time. The vast majority of 'vulnerable' Australian's have been vaccinated, and we cannot continue on this trajectory of lockdown-border closure-lockdown ad finitum until, maybe, the vaccine reduces the severity of cases that the Governments will actually accept some cases in the community. Case in point: Look at the UK and their vaccination v population and the number of cases they are still getting, then apply those percentages to Australia...

I also have very strong feelings about the Government making any sort of relatively peaceful protest 'illegal' with the stroke of a pen. The right to protest Government decisions is critically important and a fundamental human right - to which Australia is a signatory -  and for a Government minister, or an unelected public servant in the context of the CHO's Public Health Orders being able to unilaterally (and without a course of appeal) declare "you can't protest my lockdown because I order you into lockdown" does not sit well with me - because where does it end?
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Deny healthcare to those involved in todays protests and you are also suggesting denying healthcare to the majority of those who develop lung cancer - for the vast majority of that is caused by voluntary smoking...Though I agree with that concept too!

FWIW, I agree with the protest - for the simple reason I believe people should be responsible for their own health at this point in time. The vast majority of 'vulnerable' Australian's have been vaccinated, and we cannot continue on this trajectory of lockdown-border closure-lockdown ad finitum until, maybe, the vaccine reduces the severity of cases that the Governments will actually accept some cases in the community. Case in point: Look at the UK and their vaccination v population and the number of cases they are still getting, then apply those percentages to Australia...

I also have very strong feelings about the Government making any sort of relatively peaceful protest 'illegal' with the stroke of a pen. The right to protest Government decisions is critically important and a fundamental human right - to which Australia is a signatory -  and for a Government minister, or an unelected public servant in the context of the CHO's Public Health Orders being able to unilaterally (and without a course of appeal) declare "you can't protest my lockdown because I order you into lockdown" does not sit well with me - because where does it end?
KRviator
It is true that a lot of the "vulnerable" Aussies have been, (there is a still way bit to go for them as well by the way,)  but, Delta is the game changer here, Delta is affecting a lot more of the younger population than the original strain, a lot of them are ending up in the ICU. so we can't end lockdown by no means yet.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Today's Sydney protesters might be getting a visit/summons soon...

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