The corona virus COVID-19

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Three hundred ADF personnel will be deployed after NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller made a request to the federal government, according to a statement by NSW Police. The state reported 239 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 and two deaths on Thursday, with 113 of the new cases linked to a known case or cluster, according to NSW Health. All of Greater Sydney, including Wollongong, Central Coast and the Blue Mountains, entered a lockdown on June 26, which has been extended for four more weeks until at least August 28.

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  303gunner Train Controller

...because Gladys treated the pandemic as nothing more than bat sniffles until it was too late.
That's okay, you and I will never have to pay it all back. People who haven't been born yet will be.
don_dunstan
People have long and hard complained that speeding fines and traffic infringements don't help road safety, they are just "Revenue Raising".

Well, I think the State Governments need to take the gloves off and come out and say from now on we are going hammer and tongs to start Revenue Raising, and the idiots that are contributing to prolonging lockdowns are the ones that are going to pay for the support payments to businesses and workers affected. Not wear a mask when you are supposed to? $500. Breach Stay at Home orders? $5000. Attend an pointless Protest Rally? $10,000. Escape your quarantine hotel or positive test Iso? $20,000. Hit them hard and say "You are the problem, you will pay for the solution".

The penalties are not only meant to discourage non-compliance with Public Health Orders, but they will finance the economic assistance packages. The money received should not go into consolidated revenue like they do now, but should be solely devoted (quarantined, you might say) to a fund for assistance payments. I hear on the nightly news that NSW Police have issued 100 fines or 110, or 120 for that day. Nice. That's $100k, $110K or $120k of revenue, but not all of it goes to the rescue package, and the money has to found elsewhere.

Far too often we're hearing of dreadful breaches and errors, quite often described by the authorities in very sensational terms, only later to find that there is no penalty involved.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

...because Gladys treated the pandemic as nothing more than bat sniffles until it was too late.
That's okay, you and I will never have to pay it all back. People who haven't been born yet will be.
People have long and hard complained that speeding fines and traffic infringements don't help road safety, they are just "Revenue Raising".

Well, I think the State Governments need to take the gloves off and come out and say from now on we are going hammer and tongs to start Revenue Raising, and the idiots that are contributing to prolonging lockdowns are the ones that are going to pay for the support payments to businesses and workers affected. Not wear a mask when you are supposed to? $500. Breach Stay at Home orders? $5000. Attend an pointless Protest Rally? $10,000. Escape your quarantine hotel or positive test Iso? $20,000. Hit them hard and say "You are the problem, you will pay for the solution".

The penalties are not only meant to discourage non-compliance with Public Health Orders, but they will finance the economic assistance packages. The money received should not go into consolidated revenue like they do now, but should be solely devoted (quarantined, you might say) to a fund for assistance payments. I hear on the nightly news that NSW Police have issued 100 fines or 110, or 120 for that day. Nice. That's $100k, $110K or $120k of revenue, but not all of it goes to the rescue package, and the money has to found elsewhere.

Far too often we're hearing of dreadful breaches and errors, quite often described by the authorities in very sensational terms, only later to find that there is no penalty involved.
303gunner
Absolutely nailed it. Only ting I’d add is a massive increase on second and subsequent offences.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The state reported 170 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 on Friday, with 77 of the new cases linked to a known case or cluster, according to NSW Health. On Thursday, the government announced three hundred ADF personnel will be deployed after NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller made a request to the federal government, according to a statement by NSW Police.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Had my first AZ shot this afternoon.
Had my an 9:45AM yesterday...it didn't hit me until after midnight. I have to say it was quite unpleasant and I was burning up, with sore muscles and sensitive skin and headache.

Not so bad today working from home, but haven't been productive. Have chills now and low grade headache.
Mr. Lane
Almost 24 hours later and no sign of any major side effects. Injection site slightly tender. Have a few aches and pains, but that's normal.
  303gunner Train Controller

Would you be prepared to have a 'booster' every six months for the rest of your life? Serious question.

Iceland rapidly obtained a figure for vaccinations that the politicians could only dream of in this country - a whole eighty-five percent of adults over 16 had been fully vaccinated with two shots of one of the most popular vaccines (the most common was Pfizer - Iceland Review gives you a breakdown).

So they decided to drop any and all restrictions on movement and social contact on June the 25th after 15 months of harsh restrictions; the lifting of restrictions also applied to international tourists who could show they were vaccinated - which is critical because much of their national income is from tourism.

Should be the end of the story, right? Unfortunately the virus broke out among the fully vaccinated - 355 new PCR positive since July 14th - and they've had to go back into lock-down this week less than a month after their own 'freedom day'.

So you have to ask; if Iceland can achieve a really high vaccination rate of 85% of all adults with BOTH vaccination shots and yet still have a break-out warranting another lock-down, then what hope is there for little old Australia where vaccination rates are nowhere near that high (and probably never will be)?

These lock-downs are our new normal folks, we're never, ever getting out of them.
don_dunstan
Israel going for 3rd shot of Pfizer: https://au.news.yahoo.com/israel-eyes-third-jab-cases-180301160.html
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
  doyle Chief Commissioner

No wonder my blood pressure is through the roof
  ANR Chief Commissioner

National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
lsrailfan
Is this after a three shot Pfizer like in Israel?

What about Iceland's 85% take up of the vaccine, but a new lockdown recently announced.

I am comparing the posts on this page to this announcement.

Then I am comparing all of the above measures to the Spanish Flu.

https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
lsrailfan
And how long will this last?

My guess is until there is another major or potentially major outbreak of an existing or a new variant and the first of the state premiers breaks rank and puts on a lockdown.  It will then be back to every state for themselves.  Sound familiar?
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
And how long will this last?

My guess is until there is another major or potentially major outbreak of an existing or a new variant and the first of the state premiers breaks rank and puts on a lockdown.  It will then be back to every state for themselves.  Sound familiar?
7334
Well, it says when any state has reached their 70% threshold, they can move onto the next phase, NSW has 8 Million people, 70% of that is 5.8 million, as of tonight, there has been 1,446,995 doses in NSW, so still a long way off for us!!
  route14 Chief Commissioner

It seems that plenty of people want to challenge the government's decisions, which is normally a good thing, but not quite in critical times.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
And how long will this last?

My guess is until there is another major or potentially major outbreak of an existing or a new variant and the first of the state premiers breaks rank and puts on a lockdown.  It will then be back to every state for themselves.  Sound familiar?
7334
I'm not sure of the actual timelines for completion of the proposed purpose built quarantine facilities at Mickleham and elsewhere, which will be easier to strictly control than the current half-arsed attempts utilising hotels, but given that new variants are always brought in from overseas, surely a time will come when lockdowns are unnecessary regardless of the percentage of the population that has been vaccinated?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Some musings about the situation in America. Sorry, the U.S.A. (America could be anywhere between Prudhoe Bay and Patagonia).

A trend has recently emerged where the majority of new Covid cases, and indeed deaths, is occurring in those states that are red rather than blue. This correlates with the dismissiveness of the virus by the previous administration and the tens of millions of conservative voters who still believe that the election was stolen (apologies for mixing thread topics, but bear with me).

It stands to reason that due to the polarisation of attitudes over there, it is now mainly conservatives who are getting the virus, transmitting it and dying from it.

President Biden is in a jam. To protect all of the people, he needs to ask Trump to tell his followers to get vaccinated. This would be a concession that Trump still holds sway. If he doesn't, millions will die, because they won't listen to Biden. But that also means millions of Trump voters will die, which will improve not only his chances next election, but also the gene pool.

Trump is also in a jam. If he doesn't tell his followers to get vaccinated, he risks millions of them dying and unable to vote for him next election if he makes a comeback!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
And how long will this last?

My guess is until there is another major or potentially major outbreak of an existing or a new variant and the first of the state premiers breaks rank and puts on a lockdown.  It will then be back to every state for themselves.  Sound familiar?
I'm not sure of the actual timelines for completion of the proposed purpose built quarantine facilities at Mickleham and elsewhere, which will be easier to strictly control than the current half-arsed attempts utilising hotels, but given that new variants are always brought in from overseas, surely a time will come when lockdowns are unnecessary regardless of the percentage of the population that has been vaccinated?
DirtyBallast
Lockdowns will only be needed under extreme circumstances, when a State/Territory has reached 70% of their threshold, it does seem like a bit of a "mud map" though....
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Some musings about the situation in America. Sorry, the U.S.A. (America could be anywhere between Prudhoe Bay and Patagonia).

A trend has recently emerged where the majority of new Covid cases, and indeed deaths, is occurring in those states that are red rather than blue. This correlates with the dismissiveness of the virus by the previous administration and the tens of millions of conservative voters who still believe that the election was stolen (apologies for mixing thread topics, but bear with me).

It stands to reason that due to the polarisation of attitudes over there, it is now mainly conservatives who are getting the virus, transmitting it and dying from it.

President Biden is in a jam. To protect all of the people, he needs to ask Trump to tell his followers to get vaccinated. This would be a concession that Trump still holds sway. If he doesn't, millions will die, because they won't listen to Biden. But that also means millions of Trump voters will die, which will improve not only his chances next election, but also the gene pool.

Trump is also in a jam. If he doesn't tell his followers to get vaccinated, he risks millions of them dying and unable to vote for him next election if he makes a comeback!
DirtyBallast
Yep, the amount of serious/critical people over in the States are increasing dramatically, I expect there will come a time soon enough where the rusted on Trump supporter's will have to either A, get the jab, or B, as Winter approaches, watch ICU Units again become overrun and 1,000s of Death's will occur.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
And how long will this last?

My guess is until there is another major or potentially major outbreak of an existing or a new variant and the first of the state premiers breaks rank and puts on a lockdown.  It will then be back to every state for themselves.  Sound familiar?
7334
Public Health (including lockdowns) is a state responsibility so the federal government has no legal control over state based lockdowns.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
...because Gladys treated the pandemic as nothing more than bat sniffles until it was too late.
That's okay, you and I will never have to pay it all back. People who haven't been born yet will be.
don_dunstan

...and they won't know any different. It's not like it will be headline news in the 2055 federal budget.

M.
  303gunner Train Controller

National Cabinet met this afternoon, they have decided in principal to a 4 step process to get moving on this Coronavirus Pandemic - Lockdowns to end once 80 per cent of the population is vaccinated against COVID-19 - ABC News
And how long will this last?
I'm not sure of the actual timelines for completion of the proposed purpose built quarantine facilities at Mickleham and elsewhere, but given that new variants are always brought in from overseas, surely a time will come when lockdowns are unnecessary regardless of the percentage of the population that has been vaccinated?
DirtyBallast
If we are going to insist that every single International Arrival must spend 14 days in a Quarantine Facility, then the future of International Travel and our tourism industry is doomed.

The numbers of people coming into the country will be strictly limited to the number of vacancies available in the facilities. Like NZ does, you will first need to book a place in Q before you can book your flight.  International Tourists must be able to "Budget" 14 days of their scarce holiday time to spend in Q as part of any Aussie holiday, and Australians going overseas for a week in Bali, or a cruise to Fiji, or a weekend ski trip to NZ must be prepared to have an extra 14 days Q on arrival home.

We cannot rely on quarantine. The only way we can have any sort of a tourism industry (or International Students, or Business Migration/Skilled Workers, or Airfreight/Airlines) is for the Australian population to be sufficiently vaccinated with effective vaccines that work, and continue to work.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
210 local cases today in NSW, unsure how many were infectious in the community , 198 people are in hospital, 53 are in the ICU, 27 require ventilation.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
...because Gladys treated the pandemic as nothing more than bat sniffles until it was too late.
That's okay, you and I will never have to pay it all back. People who haven't been born yet will be.

...and they won't know any different. It's not like it will be headline news in the 2055 federal budget.

M.
The Vinelander
Simple: You don't care because you'll be dead.

Until Howard paid off the Commonwealth debt in its entirety we were still paying off debts that were many decades old and draining the government coffers with interest that had to be paid. You might think it's irrelevant and doesn't affect you but that money is real, it accrues interest and it will prevent the construction of infrastructure and the running of hospitals and the military. The more debt, the less money for the provision of services.

It's not this generation's issue: It's being hand-balled neatly to the next generation to battle with, to cut services and expenditure and raise taxes to try and service. And people like you don't give a damn because you won't be around.

A clear cut case of "I'm alright Jack". Right?
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
...because Gladys treated the pandemic as nothing more than bat sniffles until it was too late.
That's okay, you and I will never have to pay it all back. People who haven't been born yet will be.

...and they won't know any different. It's not like it will be headline news in the 2055 federal budget.

M.
Simple: You don't care because you'll be dead.

Until Howard paid off the Commonwealth debt in its entirety we were still paying off debts that were many decades old and draining the government coffers with interest that had to be paid. You might think it's irrelevant and doesn't affect you but that money is real, it accrues interest and it will prevent the construction of infrastructure and the running of hospitals and the military. The more debt, the less money for the provision of services.

It's not this generation's issue: It's being hand-balled neatly to the next generation to battle with, to cut services and expenditure and raise taxes to try and service. And people like you don't give a damn because you won't be around.

A clear cut case of "I'm alright Jack". Right?
don_dunstan
When it comes to keeping the community safe, unfortunately, these are the prices we have to pay.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
When it comes to keeping the community safe, unfortunately, these are the prices we have to pay.
lsrailfan
There were alternatives that we were not allowed to consider. It was not a democratic process, the decision to spend this money was made on our collective behalf.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
NSW recorded 210 locally acquired COVID-19 cases in the 24 hours to 8:00pm yesterday.


Health authorities have also recorded another death linked to the virus, a man in his 60s in south-west Sydney.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Missed this when it came out yesterday: NSW Deputy Premier John Barilaro admits that the NSW government has no idea what it's doing. From News.com.au;

John Barilaro has confessed authorities don’t know “what’s working and what’s not working” in terms of the strict lockdown measures in place across Sydney - infuriating breakfast host Karl Stefanovic.

“One of the things we keep saying is, it’s difficult to quantify what’s working and what’s not working,” he said on Thursday morning.

“And the reality is, even though we continue to see a rise in numbers, those numbers aren’t accelerating into hundreds and hundreds.

“In one way the restrictions are working but, of course, more needs to be done and that’s why yesterday there were a number of changes in relation to being able to move out of your local government area.”

Mr Stefanovic appeared outraged by the bombshell admission.

“Sorry to put this to you, but I think you just said you don't know what’s working and what isn’t. Is that what you said?” Stefanovic asked.

“Yeah, look, there’s no playbook, Karl. There is no rule book,” the Deputy Premier responded before claiming reducing mobility is the key to success.

So they have no idea what they're doing - reassuring to know.

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