Castlemaine Yard

 
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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The VGR seem capable of maintaining quite a bit of track. It is very disappointing they have lifted the line to Newstead which could have been used for alternate steam runs from Castlemaine. 

This important line lifted by VGR.

Castlemaine Yard

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The VGR seem capable of maintaining quite a bit of track. It is very disappointing they have lifted the line to Newstead which could have been used for alternate steam runs from Castlemaine.

This important line lifted by VGR.

Castlemaine Yard
freightgate
Seriously? This RUBBISH again? Really nice of you to be laying in to a Tourist Railway when it has just had to suspend operations YET AGAIN due to another lockdown putting even more pressure on the societies' finances.

Firstly that blog post is dated March 2019 and has nothing to do with the Maryborough line

Secondly as has been pointed out about a million times here on RP and elsewhere the line is / was STUFFED

It would have needed to be completely relayed with new sleepers, ballast and before even thinking about that there would have been a heap of VERY EXPENSIVE work on the formation particularly where it has been washed away around Guildford

And then there are the bridge repairs, LX works etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Hopefully the government will see fit to retain the ROW for any future use, that is about the only useful thing left of the line. 15+ years of zero maintenance will do that to a railway line
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
It is clear to all of us that VGR have rebuilt their track and have done an excellent job.

Why would they have taken up the rail when it could have been subjected to the same work ?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Are you trolling now?

The Maryborough - Castlemaine line is closed. There are no circumstances that would see it re-open to rail traffic.

The VGR were offered the opportunity (or asked for the opportunity) to salvage what they could have out of what was left of it.

This is a win win. The Government don't have to pay professionals to do the work and the VGR get to improve their own railway line.

It is very disappointing they have lifted the line to Newstead which could have been used for alternate steam runs from Castlemaine.
freightgate
I think the hardworking volunteers of the VGR have their hands full maintaining their own line but I'm sure they will appreciate your offer of more work they can do for free.
This important line
freightgate


So important that no train has had the need to use the line for the past 15 years.
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No trains were going to be running via Guildford again. It was never going to happen. What is so difficult to understand about this?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It is clear to all of us that VGR have rebuilt their track and have done an excellent job.

Why would they have taken up the rail when it could have been subjected to the same work ?
freightgate
Firstly let me make it clear that I am not speaking on behalf of the society here but as a private citizen

VGR used that rail to re-rail CME to Muckleford. The rail from the section of line from the Junction to around Yapeen was able to be dragged from its location to Maldon Junction where it was very cleverly loaded onto trains for transport and discharge along the line. Without the donation of the rail the rerailing job would not have been possible, the cost of buying rail or even transporting it from elsewhere is cost prohibitive.

The legacy of the Bandiana job still looms large in the minds of many CMRPS members. Free rail, all you have to do is get it from A to B!!!!!!! Cost an absolute fortune and almost cost the society it's very existence

I reckon rebuilding even Maldon Junction to Newstead would require more materials and manpower than any T&HR would be able to come up with at this time even with government help. I have no idea how Steamranger manage to maintain what they have, it must have been in much better nick than any Victorian branch line but the VGR Civil guys do a great job under difficult circumstances with material and cost constraints.

But the real elephant (and it is a bloody big elephant) in the room and the one that you and others continue to ignore - the line was washed away around Guildford a few years back. The damage bill estimates I have heard are eyewatering. Until someone stumps up the $$$ to pay for that anything else is pointless, it would be a (rail)road to nowhere.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Plans are a foot for conversion of the Maldon Junction to Maryborough railway corridor to a rail trail.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
So with rail fit for a branchline, the VGR indeed saved future empire builders the hasle and time,money by lifting it? sounds might benificial to the exisitng VGR and the  future users of the line.

And if it was important, it would never have been abandoned.

Even this lowly moderator knows these things !!

Regards,
David Head

ps you were not creating clicbait I hope, then I'll  need my mod hat !!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Plans are a foot for conversion of the Maldon Junction to Maryborough railway corridor to a rail trail.
Nightfire
Which I find a bit odd as there is an existing and very good bike path running along Campbells Creek which passes around 100m from Maldon Junction. That path runs from near Camp Reserve in town and also links up with the bike track to Maldon making it a pretty well used community resource

But as has been discussed many times before at least the rail trail maintains the corridor if it is ever required for future use.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
You start by saying the line was stuffed but actually the rail from the line was used on the muckleford section.

The rails were fine.

The lifting of this line was poorly misplaced a ms there were interest for the reopening and the housing in that area is actually around Campbells Creek.

I’m so did they ask to lift the rain or were they contacted by an incompetent Victrack ?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The rails were fine but just about every sleeper dissolved into termite ridden dust.  I'm glad the rail is going to good use.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Plans are a foot for conversion of the Maldon Junction to Maryborough railway corridor to a rail trail.
Which I find a bit odd as there is an existing and very good bike path running along Campbells Creek which passes around 100m from Maldon Junction. That path runs from near Camp Reserve in town and also links up with the bike track to Maldon making it a pretty well used community resource

But as has been discussed many times before at least the rail trail maintains the corridor if it is ever required for future use.
BrentonGolding
Recitational trails are hugely popular at the moment, communities can't get enough of them.

I'm sure they would like to Integrate the proposed rail trail Into the existing trails/ pathways around Campbells Creek.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
You start by saying the line was stuffed but actually the rail from the line was used on the muckleford section.

The rails were fine.

The lifting of this line was poorly misplaced a ms there were interest for the reopening and the housing in that area is actually around Campbells Creek.

I’m so did they ask to lift the rain or were they contacted by an incompetent Victrack ?
freightgate
Yes, the LINE was stuffed. The RAILS were conversely quite good. But what rails were they? A bit of a mix IIRC but mainly 80lb I think.

Now as Carnot has quite rightly pointed out the sleepers were pretty much matchsticks, there was barely a goodun amongst them. 15+ years of zero sleeper replacement cycles. And as I understand it even when the line was still active the replacements were few and far between. As for ballast, I walked much of the line from CME to Yapeen before it was pulled up and there was very little in the way of rocks holding the job down. I don't think that the VGR even bothered trying to salvage what was there (I could be wrong with that but I never saw any trucks full heading up the Maldon Road as opposed to the recent ballast mountain that made it's way from the Elphi tunnel job to Muckleford, took years off the life of the regions roads I reckon Laughing)

So let's just say by some miracle that the powers that be had decided to reactivate the line. First job, lift all the rail, set it aside and do a full sleeper replacement and formation repair with new ballast etc.

But would the rail be up to modern standards? I doubt it very much and the way things are gold plated here in Vic I would bet it would be all relayed with brand spanking new, heavier grade rail. Oh and it would be CWR so all of the jewellery would be binned as well as it is no longer required.
  darcycammo Assistant Commissioner

Location: cockatoo vic
But would the rail be up to modern standards? I doubt it very much and the way things are gold plated here in Vic I would bet it would be all relayed with brand spanking new, heavier grade rail. Oh and it would be CWR so all of the jewellery would be binned as well as it is no longer required.
Not disagreeing with your comment, they would charge the amount for new rail and do what they did on the Ararat- marybugger line and use really old light rail and complain after it’s finished they need to replace all the rail ????????
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Don't you just love the armchair experts? I used to cop them when I was secretary of a group. They all sang the same hymns, "Why don't you ? ? ?", "Why did you ? ? ? " and "You should ! ! !". Not one of the ones I copped ever got his hands dirty actually doing anything, but knew everything!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'.. But would the rail be up to modern standards? I doubt it very much and the way things are gold plated here in Vic I would bet it would be all relayed with brand spanking new, heavier grade rail. Oh and it would be CWR so all of the jewellery would be binned as well as it is no longer required. ...'

Sorry BG we only pay for gold plating .........
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Don't you just love the armchair experts? I used to cop them when I was secretary of a group. They all sang the same hymns, "Why don't you ? ? ?", "Why did you ? ? ? " and "You should ! ! !". Not one of the ones I copped ever got his hands dirty actually doing anything, but knew everything!
Valvegear
Sounds like all these groups In NSW who want to revive abandoned railways (that have been out of use for 30 odd years)
  gunzel42 Junior Train Controller

Don't you just love the armchair experts? I used to cop them when I was secretary of a group. They all sang the same hymns, "Why don't you ? ? ?", "Why did you ? ? ? " and "You should ! ! !". Not one of the ones I copped ever got his hands dirty actually doing anything, but knew everything!
Valvegear
The 'You-orta's' should only be listened to when their you-ortas are accompanied with a sizable cheque to help fund their you-orta.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
'.. But would the rail be up to modern standards? I doubt it very much and the way things are gold plated here in Vic I would bet it would be all relayed with brand spanking new, heavier grade rail. Oh and it would be CWR so all of the jewellery would be binned as well as it is no longer required. ...'

Sorry BG we only pay for gold plating .........
YM-Mundrabilla
My profuse apologies Sir, I sit corrected Laughing
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

Hopefully the government will see fit to retain the ROW for any future use, that is about the only useful thing left of the line. 15+ years of zero maintenance will do that to a railway line
BrentonGolding

Again, I have it on good authority that Mt Alexander Shire is currently examining the route for a future rail trail. So I expect they are also in consultation with VicTrack and Central Goldfields Shire, so the future opportunities will be amazing once that trail is built. Obviously the ROW will be retained, but it may be a LONG time before any trains run along there again.

Mike.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
The VGR have 16km of running track plus the yards at Maldon-Muckleford-Castlemaine to maintain with the current available workforce of volunteers and paid staff (more former than the later). They don't need to be taking on additional headaches that offer no real benefit IMO.

Would it be nice: yes.

But dreams are free....realities  are not.
  ath Junior Train Controller

Totally agree with K160. At the members day the VGR had earlier this year (maybe late last, brain fog) it was stated that the average age of the track gang is 60. Focusing on the core task is the only sensible thing to do and expanding their duties without addition manpower and lots of coin would be utterly irresponsible.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic

Hopefully the government will see fit to retain the ROW for any future use, that is about the only useful thing left of the line. 15+ years of zero maintenance will do that to a railway line
Again, I have it on good authority that Mt Alexander Shire is currently examining the route for a future rail trail. So I expect they are also in consultation with VicTrack and Central Goldfields Shire, so the future opportunities will be amazing once that trail is built. Obviously the ROW will be retained, but it may be a LONG time before any trains run along there again.

Mike.
The Vinelander
This just popped up on FB from the Castlemaine-Maryborough Rail Trail Inc.

https://cmrailtrail.org.au/

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