The corona virus COVID-19

 
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Yes have noticed journo’s going her harder, has someone from marketing sat her down and told her stop blaming the people and avoid directly answering questions  by inanely waffling on.... should start 'berejiklian implosion thread'

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
My rights, my rights, my rights, my rights, of course it's all about you, isn't it.
And your idea of forcing people to comply to your will isn't all about you?

Pull the other one.
LaughingLaughing - You've got nothing.....
lsrailfan
And you're AFRAID which is just how they want you to be.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
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I heard this on the radio - Frydenburg is clearly sending Berejiklian and Andrews a message that the Commonwealth help is running out soon and they'd better come up with a plan to open up regardless of where the virus is at.

They could start by allowing people to know if they have natural resistance or not - apparently in NSW if you test positive to COVID19 antibodies naturally they won't tell you about it because they want you to get the vaccine regardless.

Start telling people the truth - it's not rocket science.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I heard this on the radio - Frydenburg is clearly sending Berejiklian and Andrews a message that the Commonwealth help is running out soon and they'd better come up with a plan to open up regardless of where the virus is at.

They could start by allowing people to know if they have natural resistance or not - apparently in NSW if you test positive to COVID19 antibodies naturally they won't tell you about it because they want you to get the vaccine regardless.

Start telling people the truth - it's not rocket science.
don_dunstan
Someone has to make up the numbers, that being the case, perhaps these high profile open up  advocates need an opportunity to get up close and personal with COVID.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
My rights, my rights, my rights, my rights, of course it's all about you, isn't it.
And your idea of forcing people to comply to your will isn't all about you?

Pull the other one.
LaughingLaughing - You've got nothing.....
And you're AFRAID which is just how they want you to be.
don_dunstan
LaughingLaughing  Bollocks!! , you're afraid of having a simple jab that's what you're afraid of, I am doing my bit for the community, it's a shame muppet's like you are not!!
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Where did you copy and paste that from? Or more to the point. which right wing nutjob mob did you copy that from?
It was off the cuff and from the heart - I don't need people to write my ideas for me. They come from thinking it out for myself.
So Don thinks if he doesn't appeal to you, you're unreasonable and irrational. Once more, he spits the dummy because nobody listens to his rambling nonsense.
And you've got the usual suspects who are equally-terrified of the virus agreeing with you too.

Liberal democracy entirely loses any legitimacy that it once had if it compels you to submit to a medical treatment - especially one that hasn't been thoroughly tested and that might have long term side-effects that we don't know about yet.

You know what I'm saying is correct, you just can't bring yourself to admit it because you've been frightened half to death of the virus like they want you to be. You've made your decision to take the vaccine (presumably) and that's fine - that's your decision. But don't think that you and the government also have a right to tell other people that they must also undergo the same medical treatment that you've had - because you don't.

Stop living under your bed and use your goddam brains - this is not a situation that requires the use of unreasonable coercion to force people to get the mRNA treatment. Once you agree to diminished rights in order for them to 'protect' us from stuff (real or imaginary) we never, ever get those rights back.

And I for one don't want those people making my medical decisions on my behalf - history is loaded with fatal government decisions made with the best of intentions.
don_dunstan

Yes, this Freeman-on-the-land/Sovereign citizen is attractive to some people, and has got a boost with the current sanitary situation, but it's clear to see that it's a load of dangerous fairlyland poslid. The only reason I can't bring myself to admit that you're right is because you're not right. I'm not motivated by fear, I'm motivated by anger at social irresponsibility. And yes, I'm vaccinated. We read in Genesis that humans are essentially corrupt, and will operate to their own benefit to the detriment of others if given the possibility. Do you seriously think removing laws and police enforcement would solve problems of drug addiction, financial fraud and so on? Do you think if we replaced fines for not wearing a seatbelt with more education (paid for by the government) that road deaths would fall? That fewer young adults, when faced with a government pamphlet versus peer pressure and sweet talk from a dealer will choose to say no to another hit of Ice or Heroin? Highly intelligent people with the best medical training have decided that the best thing to do here is try to keep this thing under wraps as much as possible, even if this means temporarily suspending some rights. Yet you side with the self aggrandisiong freedom warriors, who, for a few more clicks, are happy to let others (and themselves like that friend of the obnowious Mr. Houston) risk death. Would you be happy to educate people who had the Marburg or Ebola virus and then let then make their own decision about vaccination or confinement? Do you think everybody, if told, they can choose to do the right thing by others and stay confined, or put the health and lives of others at risk but continue doing what they want to, will do the right thing. Most would, but a large percentage won't, and that's where this edcuation-solves-everything dream falls flat.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

They could start by allowing people to know if they have natural resistance or not - apparently in NSW if you test positive to COVID19 antibodies naturally they won't tell you about it because they want you to get the vaccine regardless.

Start telling people the truth - it's not rocket science.
don_dunstan
Pretty standard approach globally to recommend vaccination even if you have CV as it acts as a booster as according to numerous reports globally it increases the level off protection. CV19 anti bodies are also short lived. Feel free to pick any developed countries equivalent of Dept off health and look it up for your self.

Its not rocket science, pull you head out of your rear end and stop falling for the conspriacy hype. What next Don, you'll be spreading rumours that 24,000 children in Oz were forcably vaccinated withour their parents consent.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I heard this on the radio - Frydenburg is clearly sending Berejiklian and Andrews a message that the Commonwealth help is running out soon and they'd better come up with a plan to open up regardless of where the virus is at.

They could start by allowing people to know if they have natural resistance or not - apparently in NSW if you test positive to COVID19 antibodies naturally they won't tell you about it because they want you to get the vaccine regardless.

Start telling people the truth - it's not rocket science.
Someone has to make up the numbers, that being the case, perhaps these high profile open up  advocates need an opportunity to get up close and personal with COVID.
michaelgm

Yeah well the last week and a half has seen two (count 'em) new anti-viral drugs for use in that'll probably be excellent at making you better if you catch the COVID19 'un-vaccinated'.

I'm well aware that this thing is going to wash through our entire society eventually and the alternatives to vaccination are getting better all the time. I'll take my chances with treating it like influenza in conjunction with those newly-approved drugs.

I'm not in any of the key groups for morbidity so I think that's better for me that having yet more medicines that I might be better off developing a moderate rolling immunity to like colds - and then consider a vaccine if I'm elderly or get to an asteroid sized dimension later in life - which seems to be COVID's favorite people to dispatch.
Bollocks!! , you're afraid of having a simple jab that's what you're afraid of, I am doing my bit for the community, it's a shame muppet's like you are not!!
Israilfan
Directly contradicts what you said a while back on this thread that vaccines weren't the only answer. Clearly now you're saying they are.

Make up your mind.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I heard this on the radio - Frydenburg is clearly sending Berejiklian and Andrews a message that the Commonwealth help is running out soon and they'd better come up with a plan to open up regardless of where the virus is at.

They could start by allowing people to know if they have natural resistance or not - apparently in NSW if you test positive to COVID19 antibodies naturally they won't tell you about it because they want you to get the vaccine regardless.

Start telling people the truth - it's not rocket science.
Someone has to make up the numbers, that being the case, perhaps these high profile open up  advocates need an opportunity to get up close and personal with COVID.

Yeah well the last week and a half has seen two (count 'em) new anti-viral drugs for use in that'll probably be excellent at making you better if you catch the COVID19 'un-vaccinated'.

I'm well aware that this thing is going to wash through our entire society eventually and the alternatives to vaccination are getting better all the time. I'll take my chances with treating it like influenza in conjunction with those newly-approved drugs.

I'm not in any of the key groups for morbidity so I think that's better for me that having yet more medicines that I might be better off developing a moderate rolling immunity to like colds - and then consider a vaccine if I'm elderly or get to an asteroid sized dimension later in life - which seems to be COVID's favorite people to dispatch.
Bollocks!! , you're afraid of having a simple jab that's what you're afraid of, I am doing my bit for the community, it's a shame muppet's like you are not!!
Directly contradicts what you said a while back on this thread that vaccines weren't the only answer. Clearly now you're saying they are.

Make up your mind.
don_dunstan
Vaccines are NOT the whole answer no, they are part of the solution.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Ok, interesting:
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Nice to see  that the Federal Treasurer  is now a medical advisor. I guess that the Minster for Primary Industry will be bringing down the next Budget.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Face it Don, you are fighting a losing battle on this one.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Ok, interesting:
Carnot
You mean Jeff Kennett is now a radical libertarian - what the hell is going on there in Victoria!!!
Face it Don, you are fighting a losing battle on this one.
Israilfan
I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Vaccines are NOT the whole answer no, they are part of the solution.
lsrailfan
No. That is not what you and others like you have been saying on this board.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Vaccines are NOT the whole answer no, they are part of the solution.
No. That is not what you and others like you have been saying on this board.
don_dunstan
Well if I said that it was by accident, vaccines ARE NOT the Silver Bullet!, they are only PART of the big problem here!
  303gunner Train Controller

Start telling people the truth - it's not rocket science.
I'm not in any of the key groups for morbidity so I think that's better for me that having yet more medicines that I might be better off developing a moderate rolling immunity to like colds - and then consider a vaccine if I'm elderly or get to an asteroid sized dimension later in life - which seems to be COVID's favorite people to dispatch.

Make up your mind.
don_dunstan
Don't let your Ignorance on Medical Knowledge shine through!

You can't develop an immunity to Common Cold. Your Immune System will fight the infection reactively, but you cannot introduce an immunity beforehand. It's the reason why there is a Flu Vaccine, but not a Cold Vaccine.

You may not be in a key group for morbidity, but you are possibly in a key demographic for the Darwin Awards.
  303gunner Train Controller

I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
don_dunstan
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Don't let your Ignorance on Medical Knowledge shine through!

You can't develop an immunity to Common Cold. Your Immune System will fight the infection reactively, but you cannot introduce an immunity beforehand. It's the reason why there is a Flu Vaccine, but not a Cold Vaccine.

You may not be in a key group for morbidity, but you are possibly in a key demographic for the Darwin Awards.
303gunner
LOL even if you are yourself in medicine (and I doubt you are) then that places you in the same camp that I am, big-mouth smarty-pants.

And newsflash: The flu 'vaccine' isn't a hundred percent either. That's why the COVID vaccines aren't a hundred percent - complete protection against viruses isn't possible. Full-stop.

At some point your own immune system has to fight. I'd rather rely on antiviral drugs when I have it versus some vaccine dependent extension thing that doesn't seem to keep it off you anyway. See? I can think for myself - that was how we used to decide things in the old days instead of having the government decide everything that's good and bad for us.
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
303gunner
Spanish Flu disappeared that way, decreased symptoms but increased transmissible nature - why do you think COVID19 won't do the same.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
303gunner
It doesn't even touch the sides compared to real plague events like the Black Death and the Spanish Flu.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
It doesn't even touch the sides compared to real plague events like the Black Death and the Spanish Flu.
don_dunstan
Wrong, I estimate this Pandemic to be on par with the Spanish Flu.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Reminds me, must go and have my Tetanus booster.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
It doesn't even touch the sides compared to real plague events like the Black Death and the Spanish Flu.
Wrong, I estimate this Pandemic to be on par with the Spanish Flu.
lsrailfan
It pains me to this again, but I concur with Don here. This COVID-19 has had far less negative impact than the Spanish flu, one of the most unwelcome exports ever from the U.S. to Europe. But it certainly has the potential to get there. Doing nothing, letting people read the rantings of fruitloops on social media and then make a decision about vaccination, if we just pretend it's like a seasonal flu, if we let people carry on their daily business mingling willy-nilly, allowing uncontrolled promiscuity, then COVIS-19 certainly has the potential to be a contender for the Spanish flu. Decisive action, restrictions much stronger than the current pussy-footy, standing up to quislings who carry on about the risk of their young community men being 'disaffected', this is what is needed.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
It doesn't even touch the sides compared to real plague events like the Black Death and the Spanish Flu.
Wrong, I estimate this Pandemic to be on par with the Spanish Flu.
It pains me to this again, but I concur with Don here. This COVID-19 has had far less negative impact than the Spanish flu, one of the most unwelcome exports ever from the U.S. to Europe. But it certainly has the potential to get there. Doing nothing, letting people read the rantings of fruitloops on social media and then make a decision about vaccination, if we just pretend it's like a seasonal flu, if we let people carry on their daily business mingling willy-nilly, allowing uncontrolled promiscuity, then COVIS-19 certainly has the potential to be a contender for the Spanish flu. Decisive action, restrictions much stronger than the current pussy-footy, standing up to quislings who carry on about the risk of their young community men being 'disaffected', this is what is needed.
billybaxter
I do agree, this pandemic is nowhere near over, I think when it reaches it's finale, (how long is a piece of string), I think it may well be closer to the Spanish Flu than we all think.

*Edit* the current "official" death toll is 4,426,470. I suspect it to be way higher than that.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm gunna go even further, Israilfan, and say that with the fullness of time me and people like me will be shown to be on the right side of history.
So, History will record that this whole past 2 years was in fact nothing more than "Bat Sniffles"?
It doesn't even touch the sides compared to real plague events like the Black Death and the Spanish Flu.
Wrong, I estimate this Pandemic to be on par with the Spanish Flu.
lsrailfan
No, you're wrong. If it was the same death rate as Spanish Flu in 1918 the (for example) the United States should have had two million fatalities directly linked to the disease.

Please get into the habit of at least Googling these things before you make broad,sweeping statements like that - you'll avoid looking foolish when its pointed out to you that you're wrong.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
825 new cases I am feeling very worried.

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