Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

From what I'm hearing the passive provision station is located just north of the Calder Freeway, which on John's map is incorrect.

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  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
From what I'm hearing the passive provision station is located just north of the Calder Freeway, which on John's map is incorrect.

True Believers
Close enough, but no cigar. Thanks @TB for the correction from the always informative @Marcus.

When you see technical drawings, instead of the usual pretty artist impression, we know this is actually happening.

cheers
John
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
And the big surprise. Looks like the Airport station will be at ground level.

https://infrastructurepipeline.org/project/melbourne-airport-rail-airport-station-package
https://www.tenders.vic.gov.au/tender/view?id=234057

An elevated viaduct from the Albion loop all the way to Mercer Drive, and then ground level into the station.

That is a big change, and cost saving, from the previous thought bubbles.

in shock
John
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
And the big surprise. Looks like the Airport station will be at ground level.

https://infrastructurepipeline.org/project/melbourne-airport-rail-airport-station-package
https://www.tenders.vic.gov.au/tender/view?id=234057

An elevated viaduct from the Albion loop all the way to Mercer Drive, and then ground level into the station.

That is a big change, and cost saving, from the previous thought bubbles.

in shock
John
justarider
I can't see a way to get at details on those pages, but does it have the actual station location?
Are the original thoughts of it taking over the business car park near T1 correct?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
And the big surprise. Looks like the Airport station will be at ground level.

https://infrastructurepipeline.org/project/melbourne-airport-rail-airport-station-package
https://www.tenders.vic.gov.au/tender/view?id=234057

An elevated viaduct from the Albion loop all the way to Mercer Drive, and then ground level into the station.

That is a big change, and cost saving, from the previous thought bubbles.

in shock
John
I can't see a way to get at details on those pages, but does it have the actual station location?
Are the original thoughts of it taking over the business car park near T1 correct?
Highlights of the station works, ground level stuff. No tunnel !

  • the new Airport Station, including operational control systems (OCS)
  • a new 1.5-kilometre track pair from the new station to Mercer Drive
  • overhead wiring system and structures


The approach to the airport is

The Viaduct Package of the Melbourne Airport Rail (MAR) will deliver a viaduct commencing at Mercer Drive, continuing above the median strip of Airport Drive, towards Steele Creek North, and across the Western Ring Road.

No station location, but from stated above we can guess Airport Drive, through the car park and Arrival Drive , straight in to a T insersect with T3, and the road ramps fit around somehow.

cheers
John
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Highlights of the station works, ground level stuff. No tunnel !

  • the new Airport Station, including operational control systems (OCS)
  • a new 1.5-kilometre track pair from the new station to Mercer Drive
  • overhead wiring system and structures


The approach to the airport is

The Viaduct Package of the Melbourne Airport Rail (MAR) will deliver a viaduct commencing at Mercer Drive, continuing above the median strip of Airport Drive, towards Steele Creek North, and across the Western Ring Road.

No station location, but from stated above we can guess Airport Drive, through the car park and Arrival Drive , straight in to a T insersect with T3, and the road ramps fit around somehow.

cheers
John
justarider
Thanks for that - not clear at all really: they've specified South of Mercer Dr but not North of it.

From Mercer Dr there's plenty of carpark you can crunch through. You could bend along through the long-term, cross Centre Rd and tuck in next to the departure ramp to T3. Or basically head due North, jump over Terminal Dr and chew up the carparks for Mercedes and the Holiday Inn, cross Centre Rd and end up with more carpark to build on near T1.

All assuming carparks are fairly expendable... which they should be if it saves you a few $B on tunnelling costs.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Highlights of the station works, ground level stuff. No tunnel !
Thanks for that - not clear at all really: they've specified South of Mercer Dr but not North of it.

From Mercer Dr there's plenty of carpark you can crunch through. You could bend along through the long-term, cross Centre Rd and tuck in next to the departure ramp to T3. Or basically head due North, jump over Terminal Dr and chew up the carparks for Mercedes and the Holiday Inn, cross Centre Rd and end up with more carpark to build on near T1.

All assuming carparks are fairly expendable... which they should be if it saves you a few $B on tunnelling costs.
LeroyW
Yes it's still all pretty vague.

Car parks are the easier routes, but could be expensive. The Airport would probably want reimbursement for the $12 per day , per spot.

Which ever way we spin it, looks like there will need to be a couple of road crossings.

No chance there will be Level Crossing, so the whole thing may end up in the air.
Sounds odd, but Victoria now has lots of experience with SkyRail. Neil Mitchell will go nuts:D

cheers
John
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Thanks for that - not clear at all really: they've specified South of Mercer Dr but not North of it.

From Mercer Dr there's plenty of carpark you can crunch through. You could bend along through the long-term, cross Centre Rd and tuck in next to the departure ramp to T3. Or basically head due North, jump over Terminal Dr and chew up the carparks for Mercedes and the Holiday Inn, cross Centre Rd and end up with more carpark to build on near T1.

All assuming carparks are fairly expendable... which they should be if it saves you a few $B on tunnelling costs.
LeroyW
Will be interesting to see if the Airport station is designed as a through station for SRL to depart the other way towards Broadmeadows or as a dead end terminus with both MARL and future SRL trains initially departing in the same direction.

Ross
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Thanks for that - not clear at all really: they've specified South of Mercer Dr but not North of it.

From Mercer Dr there's plenty of carpark you can crunch through. You could bend along through the long-term, cross Centre Rd and tuck in next to the departure ramp to T3. Or basically head due North, jump over Terminal Dr and chew up the carparks for Mercedes and the Holiday Inn, cross Centre Rd and end up with more carpark to build on near T1.

All assuming carparks are fairly expendable... which they should be if it saves you a few $B on tunnelling costs.
Will be interesting to see if the Airport station is designed as a through station for SRL to depart the other way towards Broadmeadows or as a dead end terminus with both MARL and future SRL trains initially departing in the same direction.

Ross
Rossco T
MARL and SRL will have separate platforms. MARL will run on BG and SRL on SG for starters. SRL will also need platforms more than half the length (80m-100m compared to 220m plus).

Both stations should be built with a continuing stub for turn back and to allow TBMs to be launched or arrive at the airport without disrupting the station itself, a technique used in many countries around the world.

MARL to allow a potential link north or north west

SRL to allow a potential link west or south west
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Thanks for that - not clear at all really: they've specified South of Mercer Dr but not North of it.

From Mercer Dr there's plenty of carpark you can crunch through. You could bend along through the long-term, cross Centre Rd and tuck in next to the departure ramp to T3. Or basically head due North, jump over Terminal Dr and chew up the carparks for Mercedes and the Holiday Inn, cross Centre Rd and end up with more carpark to build on near T1.

All assuming carparks are fairly expendable... which they should be if it saves you a few $B on tunnelling costs.
Will be interesting to see if the Airport station is designed as a through station for SRL to depart the other way towards Broadmeadows or as a dead end terminus with both MARL and future SRL trains initially departing in the same direction.

Ross
Rossco T
I seem to recall reading that the airport station would be suitable for conversion to a through station to enable future extension to  a new international terminal on the Western side of the runway. This would seem to indicate it being underground. The viaduct idea could be interesting airside... Laughing
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Sorry for this question but how could the station be at ground level how would that work and exactly where would the station be located next to the existing 3 terminals ?
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Sorry for this question but how could the station be at ground level how would that work and exactly where would the station be located next to the existing 3 terminals ?
freightgate
A design job for the National Fatherhood Institute.

Does anybody have access to the tender documents behind the login wall?
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

And the big surprise. Looks like the Airport station will be at ground level.

https://infrastructurepipeline.org/project/melbourne-airport-rail-airport-station-package
https://www.tenders.vic.gov.au/tender/view?id=234057

An elevated viaduct from the Albion loop all the way to Mercer Drive, and then ground level into the station.

That is a big change, and cost saving, from the previous thought bubbles.

in shock
John
justarider
A massive cost saving. $3 Billion at the absolute tops. And it should massively reduce the construction time. They are saying that at least some of the packages will be complete by 2026.

Good. The MARL should be built as cheaply as possible.


Mannie
  ballhammer475 Beginner

Just found this map from the website http://maps.infrastructure.gov.au/ipams/#/?projectid=097140-17VIC-OFF

Will this be the actual rail alignment of MARL?

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Sorry for this question but how could the station be at ground level how would that work and exactly where would the station be located next to the existing 3 terminals ?
freightgate
it couldn't possibly be at ground level. The area is simply too crowded.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Melbourne Airport already has planned/approved and is in the prelim stage of a whole new airport drive pickup and set down point using the existing multi storey car park, to move traffic away from the front of the terminal building for safety/terrorism risks. This includes an elevated roadway that leads around the 4 terminals but using the second or third floor of the carpark as the pickup/dropoff zones and then exiting back to the existing roadway/freeway access. This removes traffic from the existing drop off on upper level, and pick up zones at ground level. That whole existing space between terminal building and carpark then becomes open to having an elevated pass through station setup or an underground equivalent with escalator links to either sub ground or skyrail type stations from the terminal buildings. The MARL diagram of a roadway only covers the elevated roadway close to the terminal buildings but isn't specific on what comes next- I think that is probably being sorted with Melb Airport right now prior to the roadway/reworking construction to incorporate the station wherever it fits. Centre drive is also a possibility but would involve a long walk to the terminal building

https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/Corporate/Planning-projects/MDP
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
More details emerging in this article dated today: https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-plan-for-airport-link-sky-rail-revealed
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

More details emerging in this article dated today: https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-plan-for-airport-link-sky-rail-revealed
bevans
This article does seem to imply that elevated on viaduct is a possibility, however to squeeze between buildings and approach above Arrival and Departure Rds would require impracticably sharp curve(s). The approach could be made on viaduct alongside T4 above Bonney Court which would ease the curve into the station area.
Maybe the station could be located above Arrival and Departure Rds which would locate the buffer stops immediately adjacent to the NE corner of T4.

Any surface or viaduct option would preclude any extension in the future. If extension is considered important, underground is the only feasible option.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Any surface or viaduct option would preclude any extension in the future. If extension is considered important, underground is the only feasible option.
Lockspike
This is the crux of it.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
More details emerging in this article dated today: https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-plan-for-airport-link-sky-rail-revealed
This article does seem to imply that elevated on viaduct is a possibility, however to squeeze between buildings and approach above Arrival and Departure Rds would require impracticably sharp curve(s). The approach could be made on viaduct alongside T4 above Bonney Court which would ease the curve into the station area.
Maybe the station could be located above Arrival and Departure Rds which would locate the buffer stops immediately adjacent to the NE corner of T4.

Any surface or viaduct option would preclude any extension in the future. If extension is considered important, underground is the only feasible option.
Lockspike
From Mercer Dr
- Follow Airport drive in median on viaduct
- Straight over the top of Value Car Park
- Just prior to Airport drive, slight curve to right to go over corner for Merc service centre to aim for Macca's in distance.
- Holiday Inn kept to left
- Left turn to go in between carpark and Qantas Terminal over the top of the surface carpark.
- All on viaduct like Brisbane
- Direct air bridge access to International and Qantas,
- Bit further to Virgin using the existing airbridges
- T4 access via Virgin

Terminus station, no hope of extension. Agree if you want extension you need to go UG, not sure the trhough trains need to access the actual airport station though as airport users from north would be very low.

Job done.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
From Mercer Dr
- Follow Airport drive in median on viaduct
- Straight over the top of Value Car Park
- Just prior to Airport drive, slight curve to right to go over corner for Merc service centre to aim for Macca's in distance.
- Holiday Inn kept to left
- Left turn to go in between carpark and Qantas Terminal over the top of the surface carpark.
- All on viaduct like Brisbane
- Direct air bridge access to International and Qantas,
- Bit further to Virgin using the existing airbridges
- T4 access via Virgin

Terminus station, no hope of extension. Agree if you want extension you need to go UG, not sure the trhough trains need to access the actual airport station though as airport users from north would be very low.

Job done.
RTT_Rules
So that's another vote for exactly what @LeroyW said a week ago
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
More details emerging in this article dated today: https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/new-plan-for-airport-link-sky-rail-revealed
This article does seem to imply that elevated on viaduct is a possibility, however to squeeze between buildings and approach above Arrival and Departure Rds would require impracticably sharp curve(s). The approach could be made on viaduct alongside T4 above Bonney Court which would ease the curve into the station area.
Maybe the station could be located above Arrival and Departure Rds which would locate the buffer stops immediately adjacent to the NE corner of T4.

Any surface or viaduct option would preclude any extension in the future. If extension is considered important, underground is the only feasible option.
From Mercer Dr
- Follow Airport drive in median on viaduct
- Straight over the top of Value Car Park
- Just prior to Airport drive, slight curve to right to go over corner for Merc service centre to aim for Macca's in distance.
- Holiday Inn kept to left
- Left turn to go in between carpark and Qantas Terminal over the top of the surface carpark.
- All on viaduct like Brisbane
- Direct air bridge access to International and Qantas,
- Bit further to Virgin using the existing airbridges
- T4 access via Virgin

Terminus station, no hope of extension. Agree if you want extension you need to go UG, not sure the trhough trains need to access the actual airport station though as airport users from north would be very low.

Job done.
RTT_Rules
Only problem with that is it could get in the way of the approach path of runway 09/27.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

From Mercer Dr
- Follow Airport drive in median on viaduct
- Straight over the top of Value Car Park
- Just prior to Airport drive, slight curve to right to go over corner for Merc service centre to aim for Macca's in distance.
- Holiday Inn kept to left
- Left turn to go in between carpark and Qantas Terminal over the top of the surface carpark.
- All on viaduct like Brisbane
- Direct air bridge access to International and Qantas,
- Bit further to Virgin using the existing airbridges
- T4 access via Virgin

Terminus station, no hope of extension. Agree if you want extension you need to go UG, not sure the trhough trains need to access the actual airport station though as airport users from north would be very low.

Job done.
RTT_Rules
Two of the golden rules of modern railway design are straight platforms and min 200m radius curves, both of which can be ignored/exceeded, but there are consequences.

The awful Rushall curve is something in the order of 130m radius and the problematic Sydney Olympic Park curves are around 150m.

Assuming airport trains are the same length as 6 car suburbans, approx 180m of straight track is needed for the platform(s) which is just doable assuming the station is between the Park Royal and T2. Avoiding the Nth corner of the Park Royal and the high part of Melbourne Drive, and squeeze in a reasonable curve would be quite clever.

If only provision had been reserved for rail access...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
From Mercer Dr
- Follow Airport drive in median on viaduct
- Straight over the top of Value Car Park
- Just prior to Airport drive, slight curve to right to go over corner for Merc service centre to aim for Macca's in distance.
- Holiday Inn kept to left
- Left turn to go in between carpark and Qantas Terminal over the top of the surface carpark.
- All on viaduct like Brisbane
- Direct air bridge access to International and Qantas,
- Bit further to Virgin using the existing airbridges
- T4 access via Virgin

Terminus station, no hope of extension. Agree if you want extension you need to go UG, not sure the trhough trains need to access the actual airport station though as airport users from north would be very low.

Job done.
So that's another vote for exactly what @LeroyW said a week ago
justarider
Not, sure I read it to be on south west side of main car park, if not then yes, same.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Only problem with that is it could get in the way of the approach path of runway 09/27.
railblogger
No, its all in with the relms of the carpark area with structures such as car park higher.

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