Is Daylight savings starting too early in the season?

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Don't ask me about how difficult it was to get the kids asleep last night... (they were still awake at 10:40pm)

Anyway, Daylight Savings is bad for your health:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-07/daylight-saving-switchover-affects-our-health/10344600

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  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
The chickens have stopped laying, the grass is growing much faster, and my golf swing is up the creek.

Terrible time of year.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Here's an alternative view, for discussion.

We have just moved the clocks forward and hour. Consider, should we have just moved them forward half an hour, and left it there forever and a day?
The idea is to move excess daylight from early morning of summer that isn't fully uterlised to evening when people enjoy an outside lifestyle or activities. So pretty pointless to go 30min all year round and then in winter it is dark to around 730 am.
RTT_Rules
Except that you would obviously get more daylight at the end of the day in winter, when it is more valuable than in summer. You're going to go to work in the dark anyway so no difference there.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The chickens have stopped laying, the grass is growing much faster, and my golf swing is up the creek.
"SinickleBird"
We'll all be rooned (said Hanrahan)
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It's all in the mind you know. Rolling Eyes
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Why 10pm?

Light until 8:30pm, undress/shower etc/dress 9:00pm, dinner and family time, easily 10:00pm...
Graham4405
When my kids were younger they went to bed 10h before wake up time for school whichis 1h prior to the bus, they are older its now 9h. On weekends they are allowed to to stay up to 10pm and 11pm, depending which one.

i.e. their bed time is not ruled by the sun, its driven by the time they need to get up and everything else is planned to fit in.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Why 10pm?

Light until 8:30pm, undress/shower etc/dress 9:00pm, dinner and family time, easily 10:00pm...
When my kids were younger they went to bed 10h before wake up time for school whichis 1h prior to the bus, they are older its now 9h. On weekends they are allowed to to stay up to 10pm and 11pm, depending which one.

i.e. their bed time is not ruled by the sun, its driven by the time they need to get up and everything else is planned to fit in.
RTT_Rules
Understood, but I had work to do outside establishing gardens etc for a new build home. If I didn't do it, it wouldn't get done. Life is a balancing act...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Here's an alternative view, for discussion.

We have just moved the clocks forward and hour. Consider, should we have just moved them forward half an hour, and left it there forever and a day?
The idea is to move excess daylight from early morning of summer that isn't fully uterlised to evening when people enjoy an outside lifestyle or activities. So pretty pointless to go 30min all year round and then in winter it is dark to around 730 am.
Except that you would obviously get more daylight at the end of the day in winter, when it is more valuable than in summer. You're going to go to work in the dark anyway so no difference there.
DirtyBallast
No, you have less daylight at the end of the day in winter, it might be more valuable than summer, but you’re forgetting something, like a person earning $200 a fortnight, there is just nothing to be saved.

At the winter solstice for example, this year (June 21) sunrise was 0723, sunset 1712. Shifted for daylight ‘saving’ that would be sunrise 0823 and sunset 1812 - remarkably few people would be home significantly before 1812 to make use of that most valuable sunshine.

Contrast that with today, 0649 sunrise and sunset 1921 (that’s shifted for DT) vs what otherwise would have been 0549 sunrise and 1821 sunset - that hour shift is actually meaningful given a decent number of people would be home before sunset now.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Don't ask me about how difficult it was to get the kids asleep last night... (they were still awake at 10:40pm)

Anyway, Daylight Savings is bad for your health:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-07/daylight-saving-switchover-affects-our-health/10344600
Carnot
That looks like a faulty article backed by smeg.
  Expost Chief Commissioner

I hate daylight savings, and yes I am a Queenslander. I was down Tailem Bend South Australia in Jan 2019, and it was still light at 9pm. Thats a joke.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Daylight savings again and we have only just got into some morning daylight.

Way too early?
Let me ask an alternative question: is there a point in screwing with everyone’s body clocks now?
s3_gunzel
When both the DST states are in lockdown, what sort of normal are our body clocks on anyway??
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
When both the DST states are in lockdown, what sort of normal are our body clocks on anyway??
james.au
More than two states have DST. Besides NSW & Vic there are Tas & SA. Then there are ACT and Norfolk Island which are not states too.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
A point of order!

The term is 'Daylight Saving' not Daylight Savings
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I hate daylight savings, and yes I am a Queenslander. I was down Tailem Bend South Australia in Jan 2019, and it was still light at 9pm. Thats a joke.
Expost
Its hardly a joke, its called a lifestyle and strangly enough actually quite popular, globally!

If you don't like, you can still go to bed at 7:30pm
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
[quote=YM-Mundrabilla]A point of order!

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  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

I hate daylight savings, and yes I am a Queenslander. I was down Tailem Bend South Australia in Jan 2019, and it was still light at 9pm. Thats a joke.
Expost
It's only a joke for those that have dinner at 4pm.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I am a banana bender. I love how the media have a guaranteed story to stir the pot twice per year, when it is rolled out and when it is rolled back.

Good for you RTT that you like it and call BS on us still here, but frankly I don't enjoy 35 plus temps at 5pm. Maybe you like it where you are now, but no thanks. Yes an hour won't make a material difference, but when the family is sitting down for the end of day, I rather not have to wait for an extra hour looking forward to the cooler sea breeze for six months.

It was trialled and failed in the referendum. Called a democracy.

Yes it is time to do it again as there has been multiple generational change.

Summer is crap when you have young kids around dinner time and prolonging it by an hour is not fun.

However if the majority think it should change, then I will go with it.

Also, it seems that Qlder's upset the southerners more about not having it, rather than Qlder's demanding it.

As I said this is a puff piece by the media to get the reactions (including me) to it. We are being manipulated. Guaranteed click bait twice per year.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I'm a Mexican; I like daylight saving, and I couldn't give two hoots whether Queensland has it or not. To each his own.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
I'm a Mexican; I like daylight saving, and I couldn't give two hoots whether Queensland has it or not. To each his own.
Valvegear

In the depths of a deep, dark, gloomy Ballan winter, when I swore, now that I'm free of a mortgage that I'd never spend another July here and COVID has knocked that on the head TWICE Exclamation

The days lengthening in August and the Spring bulbs flowering means that daylight saving and good weather are just around the corner...as they are here today. So I'm knocking off work at 1pm (working from home for over 18 months)to grab a paint brush and start painting the house in the warm Spring sunshine... I'm grateful for daylight saving to give me extra time to do what I want to do in the warmer months.

Mike.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
frankly I don't enjoy 35 plus temps at 5pm. Maybe you like it where you are now, but no thanks. Yes an hour won't make a material difference, but when the family is sitting down for the end of day, I rather not have to wait for an extra hour looking forward to the cooler sea breeze for six months.
Big J
It has been 30°C here at 11pm, 40°C at 4pm. Like you I don't want those sort of temperatures any later thanks...
  303gunner Train Controller

I am a banana bender. I love how the media have a guaranteed story to stir the pot twice per year, when it is rolled out and when it is rolled back.

Good for you RTT that you like it and call BS on us still here, but frankly I don't enjoy 35 plus temps at 5pm. Maybe you like it where you are now, but no thanks. Yes an hour won't make a material difference, but when the family is sitting down for the end of day, I rather not have to wait for an extra hour looking forward to the cooler sea breeze for six months.

It was trialled and failed in the referendum. Called a democracy.

Yes it is time to do it again as there has been multiple generational change.

Summer is crap when you have young kids around dinner time and prolonging it by an hour is not fun.

However if the majority think it should change, then I will go with it.

Also, it seems that Qlder's upset the southerners more about not having it, rather than Qlder's demanding it.

As I said this is a puff piece by the media to get the reactions (including me) to it. We are being manipulated. Guaranteed click bait twice per year.
Big J
It's not a lifestyle thing, or a political thing. It's all about geography and a location's position within a time zone. Places further South or East within a zone benefit from Daylight Saving during summer, while places further North or West do not.

Have a look at the website https://sun-direction.com

For today, the sun will rise and set at virtually the same time (expressed as local times) in Sydney and Brisbane (6am and 7.20pm). If it wasn't for DST in NSW, our day would be 1 hr earlier.

https://sun-direction.com/city/3360,brisbane/
https://sun-direction.com/city/4060,sydney/

But for Mt Isa, today the sun will rise at 6.55am and set at 8.04pm. Clearly they would not benefit from DST.

In the middle of Summer, the difference will be even more pronounced.
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand

I did find daylight saving a bit strange in NZ, it wasn't light until about 8:00am!
Graham4405
I do not know where you were? I live in Dunedin, you cannot get much further south and sunrise is now before 7am after just 2 weeks of DLS. I did not need to turn on the lights when I got up at 6.30am this morning. Actually, for most of December and January, I do not need to turn my house lights on at all, going to bed about 10pm and rising about 6.30am. It was strange at first when I moved here from Sydney.
We start a week earlier than Eastern Oz which is a nuisance as I skype with my sister in Sydney every morning 6am her time, 8am my time. I cannot expect her to get up at 5am and 9am my time seems to put my schedule out. We finish on the same date.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I did find daylight saving a bit strange in NZ, it wasn't light until about 8:00am!
I do not know where you were? I live in Dunedin, you cannot get much further south and sunrise is now before 7am after just 2 weeks of DLS. I did not need to turn on the lights when I got up at 6.30am this morning. Actually, for most of December and January, I do not need to turn my house lights on at all, going to bed about 10pm and rising about 6.30am. It was strange at first when I moved here from Sydney.
We start a week earlier than Eastern Oz which is a nuisance as I skype with my sister in Sydney every morning 6am her time, 8am my time. I cannot expect her to get up at 5am and 9am my time seems to put my schedule out. We finish on the same date.
Brianr
On that trip we saw much of both North and South Islands, so we were almost everywhere. It was 18/02/2017 to 08/03/2017. Sunrise may have been around 7:00am actually?
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
My walking group always has a 4 day camp in about the 2nd or 3rd week of March and it is great for that. However once finished I am always looking forward to 'falling back'. I do not understand anyone who thinks we should maintain it all year.  I guess it helps being retired. I slept in the first morning (Sunday) and gradually got up about 10/15 mins earlier each day over the first week.
Sunrise here is at 8.20am in mid winter (and sunset is at 5pm).

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