Tangara in the dirt at Kembla Grange

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Hi all, can anybody confirm a derailment happening today at Moss Vale? Apparently there’s been a 81 Class Freight Train derailing on catch points, smashing into a Endeavour Storage Facility. That’s 2 out of 3 in the past 24 hours!
AheadMatthewawsome

Confirmed.

And it's 3 out of 3.

PN grain train derailed at Coota on Tuesday.

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  mitchy93 Beginner

at least its all ARTC territory up there, any word if they have righted the tangara yet? i saw the monumentlly tall crane as i was driving into work today. lifting 50 tonnes of sideways carriage in the sinking mud should be fun
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: thendesc
Oh… I was actually talking about a car crash I was in today. Things are truly going nuts!
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU

Forty-seven years old! I honestly would have thought this was a much younger youth.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Yep, I'd have put money on it being some scrote teenager thinking "Hold my beer and watch this!", not someone a couple years off 50.

His one saving grace will be no one was killed - but even then, some snivel libertarian would no doubt come up with a sob story about his rough upbringing and how he's tried to stay on the straight and narrow, and hasn't touched drugs in 6 months, and his dog got run over that morning, with him winding up with a 3 month suspended sentence...Evil or Very Mad

Come to think of it, that might still happen when they do catch up with him...Evil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Yep, I'd have put money on it being some scrote teenager thinking "Hold my beer and watch this!", not someone a couple years off 50.
KRviator
We both would have lost that bet, mate. I’d have pegged up to about 25, maybe. There wasn’t an indication of P Plates on the car (and I’m sure at least one news source would have picked that one up), so… yeah I’d have thought maybe not a teenager.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Been binging on the meff.
  alleve Station Master

Location: T4 Illawarra Line
I would've thought it was a teenager, if not for him being alone. Teenagers don't tend to show off when there's nobody else around. More likely than anything else, there's some mental health issues at play, although I doubt that'll get him anywhere in court. The cops figured out who he is fairly quickly. I feel very sorry for the driver, an incident like this can't be easy to recover from
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I noticed that the photo is from a police file so he is known.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I hope the police have some leads on the clowns who did this and out peoples lives at risk.
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
Does anyone know when the Unanderra cars will be transferred? And where to? Auburn? Hornsby? Mortdale? UGL?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Maintrain Auburn, as is generally the case when things like this happen.
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
The 2 derailed cars have been wrapped today in white tarps for road transport. Currently stored in the station car park.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Loco 42101 is apparently collecting the rear two cars from T42 presently.
  8502 Chief Train Controller

I noticed that the photo is from a police file so he is known.
Big J

But may not be the person who did it time will tell but an example should be made of this.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Police have arrested a 47-year old, according to their Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/100064872844939/posts/249247877247639/?d=n
  route14 Chief Commissioner

With no offense intended, is it possible that the "47" is a "Chinese age"?  They include pregnancy in their age, rounded to the calendar year.  Under certain circumstances (between New Year and birthday) the Chinese age is two years more than the legal age.
  alleve Station Master

Location: T4 Illawarra Line
With no offense intended, is it possible that the "47" is a "Chinese age"?  They include pregnancy in their age, rounded to the calendar year.  Under certain circumstances (between New Year and birthday) the Chinese age is two years more than the legal age.
route14
The Facebook post says 47, so I think the 45 is just a typo. The Police doesn't use East Asian age reckoning (the name of what you refer to) when giving out descriptions
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
The Facebook post says 47, so I think the 45 is just a typo. The Police doesn't use East Asian age reckoning (the name of what you refer to) when giving out descriptions
alleve
The post has been edited. Yes, 47, now. I'll update my reply.
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
9news is reporting “a number of charges, including breaching bail”.

I hope they have something a little stronger than breach of bail in the charge sheet.
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
Yesterday (i think?) 42101 pulled the 2 intact cars of T42 north to Auburn. It stored itself in the Loftus loop sidings for about 2 hours, before the loco broke down immediately outside Kograh.

Will we see T42 anytime in the future? Most likely, but probably not soon.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
As per my previous responses, yes, this incident *is* being investigated by the ATSB and OTSI.

For the benefit of our younger members not familiar with this process, the carriages will have been taken somewhere useful to the ATSB (I'd wager Auburn), the ATSB will do their thing and the train will be released back to Sydney Trains.

This process - at least, the whole process, to produce a report - can take years. At this point they envisage that the report will be completed Q3 2022.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2021/rair/ro-2021-012/
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Taking nearly a year is just nonsense.
Let's take a hypothetical case - the train has a design fault. Nobody knows this yet. We're then going to dawdle through an investigation which should quite simple and straightforward, and eventually come up with an answer - this is if the badly-designed train doesn't kill a few people in the meantime.
It's now 16 days since the incident. Any evidence from the site; measurements, objects etc should have been completed days ago.
That leaves the now safely stored train. How long to inspect it? One week? Two perhaps? What's left to do?
I've heard of high-powered public service inertia but this is ridiculous.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Taking nearly a year is just nonsense.
Let's take a hypothetical case - the train has a design fault. Nobody knows this yet. We're then going to dawdle through an investigation which should quite simple and straightforward, and eventually come up with an answer - this is if the badly-designed train doesn't kill a few people in the meantime.
It's now 16 days since the incident. Any evidence from the site; measurements, objects etc should have been completed days ago.
That leaves the now safely stored train. How long to inspect it? One week? Two perhaps? What's left to do?
I've heard of high-powered public service inertia but this is ridiculous.
Valvegear
Absolutely.
The British Inquiry into the Titanic sinking only took six weeks 109 years ago.
It has taken three years so far looking into the Tasmanian cement train runaway.
'In the fullness of time, when the time is right, when the necessary procedures have been carried out .....' (Humphrey Appleby in Yes Minister).
It does, of course, sometimes take a long time searching for a reason to blame the train - there was a tree 300 yards back that might have obscured the van driver's view of the oncoming train.
When the going gets tough how often is it deemed that further investigation is unnecessary - all assuming that the incident makes their list in the first place.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Taking nearly a year is just nonsense.
Let's take a hypothetical case - the train has a design fault. Nobody knows this yet. We're then going to dawdle through an investigation which should quite simple and straightforward, and eventually come up with an answer - this is if the badly-designed train doesn't kill a few people in the meantime.
It's now 16 days since the incident. Any evidence from the site; measurements, objects etc should have been completed days ago.
That leaves the now safely stored train. How long to inspect it? One week? Two perhaps? What's left to do?
I've heard of high-powered public service inertia but this is ridiculous.
Valvegear
If the ATSB or OTSI identify an issue as part of their investigation, they notify any relevant parties as soon as practicable.

Consider the recent Acroduster inflight failure up Brisbane way. Happened on the 18th August, they identified fatigue cracking on critical wing hardware on the 20th August, they've already notified the owner of the (only) other Acroduster on the Australian register, CASA & the NTSB, they've published a Safety Advisory Notice about the fatigue cracking and we have the Preliminary Report out on the 3rd November. And this is for a single-seat light sport plane.

They don't wait until the final report is ready before saying "Hey guys, we found this out 2 years ago, but didna tell anyone because we wanted the report ready".

However, I'm surprised to hear the ATSB or OTSI are looking into it, blind freddy can tell you what happened was both an intentional and criminal act, so there's not much to be gained from it, beyond maybe a recommendation about improved corridor fencing or better deterrents to stop vehicles leaving the crossing panels...Look at the datalog, confirm the Driver wasn't speeding, a quick review of sighting distances vs train location vs brake application and that's all that need be looked at, unless they want to get into systemic things like emergency egress....

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