The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Official TGA reports indicate 1 in 10000 confirmed cases of Myocarditis for 12-17 year old males after mRNA shots.
Carnot
No, they indicated 4 to 9 per 100000 doses, that's not an especially precise number, and they should have it well narrowed down from that woeful range. They also make a note of mentioning that the numbers of myocarditis count every case of myocarditis after vaccination, and that the cause may, or may not be the vaccination.

I am still using a combination of light and other stimulus to keep me awake at night while I work, I am sorry, these numbers just aren't keeping me awake at night. Quite frankly I find your continued attempted panic to be quite the opposite, it's becoming tiresome.

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If anyone has doubts about the rates of Myocarditis and other adverse reactions, here is the very latest official Australian Govt report:
https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-18-11-2021

I avoid posting from unverified and dubious sources since they can be misleading.
Carnot
What is misleading is your interpretation of the report, seemingly without having read it in full or properly.

The answers are in there, you just need to be better at reading them.
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Atleast the pandemic has proven just how real the Dunning Kruger effect is.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Official TGA reports indicate 1 in 10000 confirmed cases of Myocarditis for 12-17 year old males after mRNA shots.
No, they indicated 4 to 9 per 100000 doses, that's not an especially precise number, and they should have it well narrowed down from that woeful range. They also make a note of mentioning that the numbers of myocarditis count every case of myocarditis after vaccination, and that the cause may, or may not be the vaccination.

I am still using a combination of light and other stimulus to keep me awake at night while I work, I am sorry, these numbers just aren't keeping me awake at night. Quite frankly I find your continued attempted panic to be quite the opposite, it's becoming tiresome.
Aaron
Panic?

The incidence of myocarditis /pericarditis has increased by several orders of magnitude since the mRNA vaccines have been introduced.

Among people I know, the following has happened:

- 30 year-old woman with severe pericarditis, including shortness of breath, hospitalized.
- 45 year-old man under investigation for heart damage.  Elevated Troponin and arrhythmia after 1st shot.  Has been told he must get 2nd shot or lose his job.  Doctor unwilling to provide exemption for fear of being interrogated by Dan's Stasi officers.  I'm telling him to do what it takes to get an exemption.
- 17 year-old Male with Bells Palsy.
- 42 year-old woman with tachycardia and shortness of breath.  Under investigation atm.
- 18 year-old man with a promising soccer career ended due to Myocarditis.
- 40 year-old man with extreme lower pelvic pain.  Hospitalized.

Now I also personally know a few dozen people who have Covid:

- 2 nearly died (comatose, ventilated for weeks, ongoing cardiac issues 20 months later).  Both in their 70s.  Anyone of that age who is not vaccinated is nuts.
- 40 year-old man with ongoing neurological problems 20 months later.  Was hospitalized when he got Covid, although not ICU.
- A whole family who have caught it twice!  Tired but OK.
- Many others who were bedridden for several weeks.  "Worst cold/flu I've ever had".
- Others who had it rather mild.  "Just a bad cold with bad gut ache and diarrhea".
- For the kids who got it: short fever then fine after 2-3 days.
- The vaccinations definitely reduce severity in adults.

In the UK, teenagers are only given 1 dose.  2 doses for that age cohort is considered too risky by JVCI.  And yet why is Dan mandating double dose for teenagers when we know the risks of vaccine injury are so high?  Are we sacrificing our kids to assuage the fearful and insecure #istandwithdan crowd?

Now Dan is bringing in a Medical Records Act to centralize all medical records into a State-held database with no consent required to share data.  He is a control-freak.
https://www.innovationaus.com/deeply-concerned-victorias-new-no-consent-health-data-sharing-scheme/
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's worth parking this here as well. It is NOT a fringe pseudo-scientific report unlike some of the rubbish websites which most anti-vaxxers seem to reference:

https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/home/topics/acs/acute-coronary-syndrome-acs-biomarkers-mrna-covid19-vaccine/
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It's worth parking this here as well. It is NOT a fringe pseudo-scientific report unlike some of the rubbish websites which most anti-vaxxers seem to reference:

https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/home/topics/acs/acute-coronary-syndrome-acs-biomarkers-mrna-covid19-vaccine/
Carnot
It might as well be.

At this point, if it’s not FDA, CDC, Nature or Lancet I am not reading it.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Official TGA reports indicate 1 in 10000 confirmed cases of Myocarditis for 12-17 year old males after mRNA shots.
No, they indicated 4 to 9 per 100000 doses, that's not an especially precise number, and they should have it well narrowed down from that woeful range. They also make a note of mentioning that the numbers of myocarditis count every case of myocarditis after vaccination, and that the cause may, or may not be the vaccination.

I am still using a combination of light and other stimulus to keep me awake at night while I work, I am sorry, these numbers just aren't keeping me awake at night. Quite frankly I find your continued attempted panic to be quite the opposite, it's becoming tiresome.
Panic?

The incidence of myocarditis /pericarditis has increased by several orders of magnitude since the mRNA vaccines have been introduced.

Among people I know, the following has happened:

- 30 year-old woman with severe pericarditis, including shortness of breath, hospitalized.
- 45 year-old man under investigation for heart damage.  Elevated Troponin and arrhythmia after 1st shot.  Has been told he must get 2nd shot or lose his job.  Doctor unwilling to provide exemption for fear of being interrogated by Dan's Stasi officers.  I'm telling him to do what it takes to get an exemption.
- 17 year-old Male with Bells Palsy.
- 42 year-old woman with tachycardia and shortness of breath.  Under investigation atm.
- 18 year-old man with a promising soccer career ended due to Myocarditis.
- 40 year-old man with extreme lower pelvic pain.  Hospitalized.

Now I also personally know a few dozen people who have Covid:

- 2 nearly died (comatose, ventilated for weeks, ongoing cardiac issues 20 months later).  Both in their 70s.  Anyone of that age who is not vaccinated is nuts.
- 40 year-old man with ongoing neurological problems 20 months later.  Was hospitalized when he got Covid, although not ICU.
- A whole family who have caught it twice!  Tired but OK.
- Many others who were bedridden for several weeks.  "Worst cold/flu I've ever had".
- Others who had it rather mild.  "Just a bad cold with bad gut ache and diarrhea".
- For the kids who got it: short fever then fine after 2-3 days.
- The vaccinations definitely reduce severity in adults.

In the UK, teenagers are only given 1 dose.  2 doses for that age cohort is considered too risky by JVCI.  And yet why is Dan mandating double dose for teenagers when we know the risks of vaccine injury are so high?  Are we sacrificing our kids to assuage the fearful and insecure #istandwithdan crowd?

Now Dan is bringing in a Medical Records Act to centralize all medical records into a State-held database with no consent required to share data.  He is a control-freak.
https://www.innovationaus.com/deeply-concerned-victorias-new-no-consent-health-data-sharing-scheme/
Carnot
My initial diagnosis looks to be confirmed, take your pick, panic or hypochondria, they’re the only two I am giving you.

The very first case you choose to mention is a woman diagnosed with pericarditis and hospitalised with a shortness of breath - sounds ‘scary’ until I read of the very first case you mention of actual Covid ‘nearly died, ventilated for weeks (that is LITERALLY cannot breathe for themselves) and still with cardiac issues.

For the record, neither of those are going to be a fun experience, but I’ll be totally honest and say I’ll take pericarditis, a shortness of breath, a short stay in hospital and the corticosteroids - over nearly dying, not being able to breathe for myself, weeks in hospital and ongoing cardiac issues ANYDAY of the week, and especially on Sundays where I face a greater risk of physical danger from a priest if I am crazy enough to attend a catholic church.

That’s right, I am not forgetting this for a long time to come, vaccination of children for Covid is still safer than taking them to a church - something far too many parents will cheerfully drag their kids along to, ‘because it’s good for them’…
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
But aren't most people guilty of sexually assaulting children, members of the victim's family? If so, getting parents to take their children to church might actually minimise the risk.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

But aren't most people guilty of sexually assaulting children, members of the victim's family? If so, getting parents to take their children to church might actually minimise the risk.
billybaxter
Yes.  And family structure is a significant factor along with socio-economic status, D.V, and substance abuse:
https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/family-structure-and-child-maltreatment-do-some-family-types-place-children

Regardless, this discussion is getting somewhat sidetracked by "hating on the church".

FWIW, I would not vaccinate my children (they are under 12) at the present time because TGA/ATAGI doesn't have the data to adequately demonstrate vaccine safety for that age cohort yet.  And I'm not convinced of the benefit wrt risk either.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So now the NT Govt has sent in the Army to forcibly move Covid +ve and close contact indigenous Australians to quarantine camps:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-21/nt-covid-update-katherine-robinson-river-binjari-outbreak/100637600

You would think our Governments would know that this sort of thing never ends well...

I'm ashamed to live in this country.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Talk about heart conditions, I'm in Austin hospital now getting heart by pass soon not sure exactly when.... was in scovid ward s for suspected, not too many in but watched a woman who could not breathe was scary and my fuc king leg hurts like hell

Moral don't enjoy your youth
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
And if they didn't do this you'd probably have a moan about the government not taking the health of aboriginal communities seriously, or how this will be smallpox all over again and so on. Go and live in another country if you're so ashamed.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
And if they didn't do this you'd probably have a moan about the government not taking the health of aboriginal communities seriously, or how this will be smallpox all over again and so on. Go and live in another country if you're so ashamed.
billybaxter
I was going to comment similar - which country do you want to move to Carnot? I’ll stump up 25% of the airfare for you, I am sure others here will do likewise.

I have a friend that works in aboriginal health in a community just out of Katherine.

She just happened to be in Adelaide a week or so ago and I took her out to dinner where we caught up on many topics, but the most interesting was asking her about the Covid situation in remote Aboriginal communities.

I had heard it said that the Aboriginal communities regard Covid as ‘a white man illness’ that won’t kill them, which disturbs me for a different reason to the obvious, that which billybaxer alludes to - how can aboriginal people with all their ties to land, ancestors and community not know what happened to their ancestors when ‘white man illness’ arrived on the shores? How can these communities today not know what smallpox and to lesser extent, but more disturbingly, chlamydia and syphilis did to their people? It just does my head in to realise that they either don’t know or (worse) don’t care they stand a high chance of being quite literally decimated again.

Sadly, my friend confirmed that what I heard was absolutely true.

It however gets WORSE!

She told me, and I actually dropped my fork when she told me, they have more body bags in stock than vaccine doses, and how horrific it was having to receive them and store them. It’s not that they have low stock of vaccine doses because they cannot get supply, it’s that their demand is effectively zero for the low number of doses they have, the adults won’t take it and they cannot give it to the kids without adult consent, and why would the adults give consent to the kids having it if they don’t believe it’s necessary at all?

So you can get all SJW about it if you wish Carnot, but smeg is about to get real out there, real quick, and unless you’ve got a better plan, the people out there on the front line are going to go with the contingencies they have because they cannot ‘just let it run’.

I heard the fear in her voice, saw it in her eyes and on her face - so you have three choices:
- Accept that isolating even children away from infected family is the best option.
- Tell us your better option, and ‘get them vaccinated’ isn’t it.
- Tell us which country you want to live in and let us start making arrangements to get you there.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I'm ashamed to live in this country.
Carnot
You should be Ashamed to even say that let alone think it and you've said it before !

There's plenty of counties where you would only get the chance once !

It would be the heights of Lunacy to Denigrate the very system that gives you the privilege to do so.

Atrocious Carnot and Well said Aaron.

BigShunter.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Moral don't enjoy your youth
doyle
How do you come to that conclusion?
  doyle Chief Commissioner

I over indulged literally everything
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I'm ashamed to live in this country.
You should be Ashamed to even say that let alone think it and you've said it before !

There's plenty of counties where you would only get the chance once !

It would be the heights of Lunacy to Denigrate the very system that gives you the privilege to do so.

Atrocious Carnot and Well said Aaron.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Maybe it's a lonely place to be politically when I'm socially conservative, pro-life, anti-death penalty, pro-vax for adults, anti-mandate, anti-segregation, pro-environment, anti-Laissez Faire economics, anti-Communist, anti-hypercapitalist, anti-Nationalist, anti-paternalistic, suspicious of arrogant elites, pro-refugee, pro-gun control etc etc.

I don't want people to feel sorry for me - bag me out all you like for my contrarian stand at times, but I hate the tribalism that's developed around the politics of the stupid virus!
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Craig Kelly showed be expelled from the LNP for his views regarding the Vaccines, he really does himself no favours whatsoever with the rubbish that he comes out with, what a sellout that person has become!!
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Craig Kelly showed be expelled from the LNP for his views regarding the Vaccines, he really does himself no favours whatsoever with the rubbish that he comes out with, what a sellout that person has become!!
lsrailfan
I thought he left by himself.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Latest on Novavax:
https://spectator.com.au/2021/11/novavax-the-good-vaccine/

Philippines have now approved it.  Not sure why the delay with the TGA in Australia and elsewhere?

I plan to have some discussions with my GP about it if it gets approved.  I am rather reluctant to get an mRNA booster shot after my chest pains and other issues with Pfizer which cost me several hundred bucks...
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Meanwhile Brunei, which was largely devoid of this virus pre-delta, has surpassed 90% first dose.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Love her or hate her, Jacqui Lambie has come up with some fantastic points in her speech opposing Pauline Hanson's vaccine discrimination bill , it may be OTT in some regards, but she is passionate about this topic, good on her!! I can't post a link to it but it is worth watching, Pauline, you should know better!!!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Craig Kelly showed be expelled from the LNP for his views regarding the Vaccines, he really does himself no favours whatsoever with the rubbish that he comes out with, what a sellout that person has become!!
"lsrailfan"
You're kidding . . . expelled from the LNP? He's been spruiking for Clive Palmer's United Australia mob for weeks.  He's the self-styled Leader of the rich man's play thing.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Craig Kelly showed be expelled from the LNP for his views regarding the Vaccines, he really does himself no favours whatsoever with the rubbish that he comes out with, what a sellout that person has become!!
You're kidding . . . expelled from the LNP? He's been spruiking for Clive Palmer's United Australia mob for weeks.  He's the self-styled Leader of the rich man's play thing.
Valvegear
I didn't think he had been "officially" expelled, I didn't realize that he walked away on his own accord. yes, my bad....
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Ireland is an interesting one to watch.  Over 90% of adult Population vaxxed and yet numbers are very high (~4000 per day for a population of 5 million).  Deaths are fairly low, but hospitalizations are increasing (less than they were 1 year ago but still not good).

I think Victoria may see similar numbers in 6 months time heading into winter FWIW.

Do vaccines make a difference?  Absolutely.  Do mandates make much difference in take-up rates?  It doesn't look like it tbh:

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