S Class Tender

 
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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I thought there were no preserved S Class locomotives from the VR days.  What loco number is this one at SRHC?

S Class Tender

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Um, er, it's not a loco it's a tender!?!?
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This is a modified underframe perhaps?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
If I read correctly, it is the remains of S301's tender.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
This is a modified underframe perhaps?
YM-Mundrabilla
The tenders stuck around as they could be used for fuel storage.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This is a modified underframe perhaps?
The tenders stuck around as they could be used for fuel storage.
speedemon08
It was the tender tanks minus their underframes that were used for oil storage (at Bairnsdale?) as far as I know?

The underframes became heavy load flat wagons and, as such, may have received strengthening evident on the side sill(s) of the pictured underframe?

Open to correction, as always, but the pictured underframe is not identical to the tender underframes visible in S class photos of the time.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
The underframes became heavy load flat wagons and, as such, may have received strengthening evident on the side sill(s) of the pictured underframe?

Open to correction, as always, but the pictured underframe is not identical to the tender underframes visible in S class photos of the time.
YM-Mundrabilla


The linked article states:
The original tender frame was converted into a QH heavy flat wagon, Utilizing the original bogies but introducing frame strengthening.
shrcblog
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Oops. I should have read the fine print!Rolling Eyes
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If I read correctly, it is the remains of S301's tender.
Valvegear

That is the info I was looking for.
  M636C Minister for Railways

The underframes became heavy load flat wagons and, as such, may have received strengthening evident on the side sill(s) of the pictured underframe?

Open to correction, as always, but the pictured underframe is not identical to the tender underframes visible in S class photos of the time.


The linked article states:
The original tender frame was converted into a QH heavy flat wagon, Utilizing the original bogies but introducing frame strengthening.
Graham4405
By coincidence I have been scanning photos I took in Stirling North in 1993.

There was a CR C class tender also converted to a heavy load wagon. It was intended to preserve this but it may have been scrapped.

To my amazement I found an ex SAR breakdown train wagon that carried a large bulldozer not far from the ex C class tender. This appeared to be a lengthened SAR 720 class tender. It was of course, on standard gauge. It was possible to compare the bogie designs of the two types.

Peter
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
This is a modified underframe perhaps?
The tenders stuck around as they could be used for fuel storage.
It was the tender tanks minus their underframes that were used for oil storage (at Bairnsdale?) as far as I know?

The underframes became heavy load flat wagons and, as such, may have received strengthening evident on the side sill(s) of the pictured underframe?

Open to correction, as always, but the pictured underframe is not identical to the tender underframes visible in S class photos of the time.
YM-Mundrabilla
I saw two S class tenders at Bairnsdale or Sale in the sixties while being driven on a family holiday from Sydney to Melbourne ( I may be able to nominate a date when I get to scan my late Dad's slides). They were coupled loco-end to loco-end. The blue paint with yellow lines was faded, dirty and a bit patchy. They were both on 6-wheel bogies. They were many tracks away from the road so I couldn't see if there were loco numbers on them.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The underframes became heavy load flat wagons and, as such, may have received strengthening evident on the side sill(s) of the pictured underframe?

Open to correction, as always, but the pictured underframe is not identical to the tender underframes visible in S class photos of the time.


The linked article states:
The original tender frame was converted into a QH heavy flat wagon, Utilizing the original bogies but introducing frame strengthening.
By coincidence I have been scanning photos I took in Stirling North in 1993.

There was a CR C class tender also converted to a heavy load wagon. It was intended to preserve this but it may have been scrapped.

To my amazement I found an ex SAR breakdown train wagon that carried a large bulldozer not far from the ex C class tender. This appeared to be a lengthened SAR 720 class tender. It was of course, on standard gauge. It was possible to compare the bogie designs of the two types.

Peter
M636C
Could the ex SAR wagon have been the same one that carried the CR/AN Wreckmaster?
The Wreckmaster wagon at Mundrabilla (AZXF 1) had what appeared to me to be former 720 class bogies. I have photos but cannot post them on RP.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Could the ex SAR wagon have been the same one that carried the CR/AN Wreckmaster?
The Wreckmaster wagon at Mundrabilla (AZXF 1) had what appeared to me to be former 720 class bogies. I have photos but cannot post them on RP.



The wagon was indeed AZXF 1
Next to the painted code was a plate "Built Islington Workshops 1972"  hence my calling it ex SAR..
I don't know what its SAR code would have been but I bet it was still number 1...

The Bulldozer was registered ZDD 462 but I assume it too originally had an SA plate.

I understand these machines are built as pipeline laying machines and I don't know what changes are made to make the suitable for derailment clearance. There was a crane jib which was removed from the machine and sitting on a support frame on the wagon.
I recall the bogies carried a 1929 casting date.
On reflection, the photo was probably in Port Augusta near the workshops or in Spencer Junction yard.

The ex C class tender was AZKF 1347.
It had a wide deck and had yellow wasp stripes on the end of the wagon.
It was at the far north end of Stirling North yard.

Peter
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Could the ex SAR wagon have been the same one that carried the CR/AN Wreckmaster?
The Wreckmaster wagon at Mundrabilla (AZXF 1) had what appeared to me to be former 720 class bogies. I have photos but cannot post them on RP.



The wagon was indeed AZXF 1
Next to the painted code was a plate "Built Islington Workshops 1972"  hence my calling it ex SAR..
I don't know what its SAR code would have been but I bet it was still number 1...

The Bulldozer was registered ZDD 462 but I assume it too originally had an SA plate.

I understand these machines are built as pipeline laying machines and I don't know what changes are made to make the suitable for derailment clearance. There was a crane jib which was removed from the machine and sitting on a support frame on the wagon.
I recall the bogies carried a 1929 casting date.
On reflection, the photo was probably in Port Augusta near the workshops or in Spencer Junction yard.

The ex C class tender was AZKF 1347.
It had a wide deck and had yellow wasp stripes on the end of the wagon.
It was at the far north end of Stirling North yard.

Peter
M636C
I don't know the SAR classification for AZXF 1U either but had it been a CR wagon at the time it would have had a unique number in the usual CR manner. (Like AZKF 1347 that you saw at Stirling North.) On the other hand the SAR and Victoria had the basic habit of numbering wagons of differing classes all starting with 1.

I suspect that you saw AZXF 1 at Port Augusta somewhere which was where the breakdown consist normally lived. Stirling North was something of an 'out of sight out of mind' location.

ZDD 462 was the Wreckmaster on AZXF 1U at Mundrabilla. Zxx xxx was a Commonwealth Government vehicle registration system. The Z being in red the rest black on white. The Wreckmaster itself was always a CR vehicle.

At Mundrabilla the Wreckmaster jib attached to two points on the LH side between the tracks. The cable winding gear was on the RH side as was a huge counterweight.

As you say the jib was stowed N-S on the wagon behind the machine although I didn't see how attaching, detaching and stowing the jib in the field was achieved in practice.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Could the ex SAR wagon have been the same one that carried the CR/AN Wreckmaster?
The Wreckmaster wagon at Mundrabilla (AZXF 1) had what appeared to me to be former 720 class bogies. I have photos but cannot post them on RP.



The wagon was indeed AZXF 1
Next to the painted code was a plate "Built Islington Workshops 1972"  hence my calling it ex SAR..
I don't know what its SAR code would have been but I bet it was still number 1...

The Bulldozer was registered ZDD 462 but I assume it too originally had an SA plate.

I understand these machines are built as pipeline laying machines and I don't know what changes are made to make the suitable for derailment clearance. There was a crane jib which was removed from the machine and sitting on a support frame on the wagon.
I recall the bogies carried a 1929 casting date.
On reflection, the photo was probably in Port Augusta near the workshops or in Spencer Junction yard.

The ex C class tender was AZKF 1347.
It had a wide deck and had yellow wasp stripes on the end of the wagon.
It was at the far north end of Stirling North yard.

Peter
I don't know the SAR classification for AZXF 1U either but had it been a CR wagon at the time it would have had a unique number in the usual CR manner. (Like AZKF 1347 that you saw at Stirling North.) On the other hand the SAR and Victoria had the basic habit of numbering wagons of differing classes all starting with 1.

I suspect that you saw AZXF 1 at Port Augusta somewhere which was where the breakdown consist normally lived. Stirling North was something of an 'out of sight out of mind' location.

ZDD 462 was the Wreckmaster on AZXF 1U at Mundrabilla. Zxx xxx was a Commonwealth Government vehicle registration system. The Z being in red the rest black on white. The Wreckmaster itself was always a CR vehicle.

At Mundrabilla the Wreckmaster jib attached to two points on the LH side between the tracks. The cable winding gear was on the RH side as was a huge counterweight.

As you say the jib was stowed N-S on the wagon behind the machine although I didn't see how attaching, detaching and stowing the jib in the field was achieved in practice.
YM-Mundrabilla
Checking the ever useful Comrails site, checking the TIMS entries gave me the SAR code of SFWM and of course, the number 1.

The SAR issued 1:100 diagram D-20 (D for Departmental) on 1 July 1979.
It shows the Wreckmaster in place (Described as a Caterpillar Model 583 Pipe Layer).

So I would suggest that there was an SAR owned Wreckmaster in 1972, even if a former CR unit was used later.

The vehicle was only recoded as AZXF about the time of my photo.

One reason I thought the breakdown train was at Stirling North was that ex SAR SG Cowans Sheldon Breakdown Crane No 2 was there, possibly being used to recover bogies from scrapped wagons. However, looking at the background, the AZXF was most likely in Spencer Junction yard or Port Augusta itself.

Peter

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