The road to 100

 
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  route14 Chief Commissioner

It just means Southbank find themselves short of trams more often than before.  The entire network being under one operator has probably made it easier to lease visiting trams without paying the other operator.  D2 class operated route 12 more often than D1 class when they were Southbank's "own" trams.
    Southbank did have Z3 class between the introduction of route 112 and the full arrival of C1 class.

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
In fact, I've never seen a B class on route 6.

B class' are pretty regular on route 6, 2084 is running down High St Armadale atm.

6 gets quite the mix of trams, Z3, B, D1 and D2.
Can't think of another route that would have 4 types - happy to be corrected!
Was about to reply with just this.

Malvern runs a mix of Z3 and D1 trams on route 6 (although it's mainly the Z3s), just as they do on 5/16/58/72

Moreland runs a mix of B2 and D2 trams on route 6, and that seems to be a 50/50 split. Route 1 is all B2 trams and Route 19 is a mix of B2 and D2 trams, favouring the D2.
John.Z
Aren't the D2s and B2s housed at Brunswick?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Right.  Had I been able to travel personally I would have seen them, but I've been relying on Vicsig in seeing trams for a couple of years.  The depot is called Brunswick, but the closest tram access point is called Moreland.  The starter's office is at stop 27 on route 19, where hardly any trams terminate, so it's theoretidally the least used depot destination message, although the destination programmers don't seem to know this and you now see "Brunswick Depot via Sydney Rd 19d" on D2 class.  It's a complicated procedure to set separate destination and route numbers that are not programmed on C, D and possibly E class so hardly any drivers bother.
  tram1041 Locomotive Fireman

Right.  Had I been able to travel personally I would have seen them, but I've been relying on Vicsig in seeing trams for a couple of years.  The depot is called Brunswick, but the closest tram access point is called Moreland.  The starter's office is at stop 27 on route 19, where hardly any trams terminate, so it's theoretidally the least used depot destination message, although the destination programmers don't seem to know this and you now see "Brunswick Depot via Sydney Rd 19d" on D2 class.  It's a complicated procedure to set separate destination and route numbers that are not programmed on C, D and possibly E class so hardly any drivers bother.
route14

`You see this destination  because it is the correct one.Brunswick depot is indeed in Brunswick not Moreland.It is the name of the whole Local Government Area and is not a suburb.Sydney rd between Brunswick rd and Moreland rd is called Brunswick and between Moreland rd and Sussex st is called Coburg,just like Jewel and Anstey stations on the Upfield line are not suburbs either.Also there is more than just Vicsig,there is T.D.U.,tram detective,even F/B to get current info on trams.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
It would be nice if VicSig could at least update the tram destination page so it isn't fifteen years out of date (the page itself should still be retained for archival purposes). Note that the page is also missing the destination codes (e.g. 15 for Box Hill via Collins St, if the number hasn't changed), which are shown on the equivalent Sprinter/Vlocity desto page (the suburban train desto page is even more out of date than the tram one, but that too shows the numbers).

Unfortunately, VicSig tends to not be as reliable as it once was, as it seems to have mostly been left in a 2000s time capsule aside from those who are still uploading postage stamp resolution photos (presumably to save bandwidth while the better images end up on Flickr or the like). Just an observation, but the site shows a lot of rot including dead links and defunct operators, and a "latest news" feed that was last updated over a year ago appearing on the home page. At least the core part of the site, signalling and infrastructure, still seems to be updated.

Edit: Downvote all you want, it won't get in the way of the truth. More evidence - VicSig is still showing long-withdrawn Comeng sets as "in service" when they have been off register, gutted and dumped in Tottenham/Newport/North Shore for several months, sometimes even with photographic evidence on the same page as the carriages themselves. Not a single peep about Bumblebee 5113 running aground at Port Junction earlier in the year, or Citadis 3034 being cut of by a ute and ending up spread across half of Collins St in December. Again, only the photos and not the info.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The last stop on a 19d (formerly route 18) service is Moreland.
  tram1041 Locomotive Fireman

The last stop on a 19d (formerly route 18) service is Moreland.
route14
In the days of the W's & Z's at Bwk, route 18 trams and run in trams from Sydney rd always showed "Bunswick" 18 as the word depot was only added to this a few years after the B's started,whereas cars from Lygon st showed either "Brunswick Moreland rd or just Moreland,Something that i did not put in my previous post was that the destination Moreland stems from when the terminus was actually in Moreland rd at the station there was a short terminal stub just after the curve into Cameron st stopping just before the train line,so when the terminus was relocated to the depot they just kept the same name.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
E class trams to start on Route 58 on the 19th of December:

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/footer/about-ptv/improvements-and-projects/tram/new-tram-timetables-and-e-class-trams-for-route-58/
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The destination "Brunswick 18" is probably a reminicent of the tri-tier service of North Coburg 19, Coburg 20 and Brunswick 18, which together formed a 2 minute frequency south of Brunswick, or it could be the result of some driver's incorrect belief of the last stop on a depot run being the last stop before the depot trip leaves the regular route.  I've seen other drivers showing "Brunswick Depot 18" and "Moreland 18".  There is no crossover in Moreland Rd. at Brunswick so there is no point for a Lygon St. tram to show Brunswick, one stop short of the actual destination.  The destination "Brunswick Depot" does refer to stop 27 on route 19 in front of the starter's office where driver relief of route 19 takes place, one stop south of Brunswick.  No passengers are supposed to be taken to the tram entrance to the depot unless there is a change-over of a defective tram.  I encountered this once.  When 4 or 6 minute frequency is operating it's actually quicker just to wait for the next service car.
  John.Z Deputy Commissioner

Noticed an E-Class running down St Kilda Rd and then turning left onto Dandenong Rd. Any plans for future implementation?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Heading to Toorak Rd via Glenferrie Rd?
  John.Z Deputy Commissioner

Heading to Toorak Rd via Glenferrie Rd?
Heihachi_73
Following route 5 via St Kilda Rd and Dandenong Rd
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Probably a driver training run for a diverted route 58 trip.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Probably a driver training run for a diverted route 58 trip.
  John.Z Deputy Commissioner

Probably a driver training run for a diverted route 58 trip.
route14
That was my best guess, just last week the 58 was diverting via Dandenong Rd.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

It was a weird decision.  I mentioned my doubt in the disruption thread.
  John.Z Deputy Commissioner

Saw another E class head down Dandenong Rd today.

I'm starting to think that these new trams (F class, or maybe even a top up of the E class) will be based in Malvern and/or GlenHuntly tram depots, and YT are using the E class for testing purposes.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Glenhuntly has historically been the dumping ground for old trams (much like the 82 was historically the dumping ground for unusual trams like PCC 1041, VR 52/53), I'd probably expect Glenhuntly to get a few B2s instead to replace their Z3s. Malvern Depot has been teasing passengers with an E class picture out the front for years.

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