Russia vs. Ukraine - Potential War?

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by dthead on 17 Feb 2022 16:36
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
It's worth noting the strong result by Viktor Orban in the Hungarian election over the weekend.  George Soros won't be impressed.  Either will the EU elites.
Carnot
Putin issued an arrest warrant for Soros a while back - China has also made it clear that Soros and his minions are not welcome in that country.

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Do you get all your news/info from Russian propaganda sites Don? Got a reputable source for the cutting of gas? Nothing from quality German, French, English, Italian, Polish news sources. It all sounds a bit like when the Chinese told you Zelenskyy had fled Ukraine and the action was O V A H.
Rude as you are, you can't be bothered spending thirty seconds looking for a link yourself.

Not happy with ZeroHedge? Try Reuters;

LONDON, March 29 (Reuters) - Physical gas flows through the Yamal-Europe pipeline at Germany's Mallnow point fell to zero on Tuesday afternoon, data from operator Gascade showed, while Russian gas deliveries to Europe on the other two key pipeline routes were broadly steady.

In fact, Reuters said it happened even earlier in the week although there are two are pipelines that haven't been affected - yet.
don_dunstan
Yeah, March 29, two days before April 1, gas pipelines routinely reduce in flow rate or head to zero briefly, before in this case an east bound flow occurred - meanwhile the other pipelines did not - have a think about why that may be… Protip - it happens often and it has nothing to do with Russian bill payment currency.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Do you get all your news/info from Russian propaganda sites Don? Got a reputable source for the cutting of gas? Nothing from quality German, French, English, Italian, Polish news sources. It all sounds a bit like when the Chinese told you Zelenskyy had fled Ukraine and the action was O V A H.
Rude as you are, you can't be bothered spending thirty seconds looking for a link yourself.

Not happy with ZeroHedge? Try Reuters;

LONDON, March 29 (Reuters) - Physical gas flows through the Yamal-Europe pipeline at Germany's Mallnow point fell to zero on Tuesday afternoon, data from operator Gascade showed, while Russian gas deliveries to Europe on the other two key pipeline routes were broadly steady.

In fact, Reuters said it happened even earlier in the week although there are two are pipelines that haven't been affected - yet.
Yeah, March 29, two days before April 1, gas pipelines routinely reduce in flow rate or head to zero briefly, before in this case an east bound flow occurred - meanwhile the other pipelines did not - have a think about why that may be… Protip - it happens often and it has nothing to do with Russian bill payment currency.
Aaron
You're trying to claim that the Russians would never, ever cut off the gas because they need the money - but that's exactly what they've gone and done. The UK (for example) is not getting any more Russian gas, Putin's press secretary announced it the other day.

Are you still claiming that it's not happening?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It's worth noting the strong result by Viktor Orban in the Hungarian election over the weekend.  George Soros won't be impressed.  Either will the EU elites.
Carnot
Orban was never going to lose, he’s effectively a dictator backed by a near entirely state run media.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Do you get all your news/info from Russian propaganda sites Don? Got a reputable source for the cutting of gas? Nothing from quality German, French, English, Italian, Polish news sources. It all sounds a bit like when the Chinese told you Zelenskyy had fled Ukraine and the action was O V A H.
Rude as you are, you can't be bothered spending thirty seconds looking for a link yourself.

Not happy with ZeroHedge? Try Reuters;

LONDON, March 29 (Reuters) - Physical gas flows through the Yamal-Europe pipeline at Germany's Mallnow point fell to zero on Tuesday afternoon, data from operator Gascade showed, while Russian gas deliveries to Europe on the other two key pipeline routes were broadly steady.

In fact, Reuters said it happened even earlier in the week although there are two are pipelines that haven't been affected - yet.
Yeah, March 29, two days before April 1, gas pipelines routinely reduce in flow rate or head to zero briefly, before in this case an east bound flow occurred - meanwhile the other pipelines did not - have a think about why that may be… Protip - it happens often and it has nothing to do with Russian bill payment currency.
You're trying to claim that the Russians would never, ever cut off the gas because they need the money - but that's exactly what they've gone and done. The UK (for example) is not getting any more Russian gas, Putin's press secretary announced it the other day.

Are you still claiming that it's not happening?
don_dunstan
YES! They have done nothing of the sort, I even bolded it in your own quote for you…

I even gave you a partial answer, and I didn’t read either of your links (yes, even Reuters) because I know the reason and don’t need a news source to tell me, I strongly expect the real answer is written in both articles, but probably certainly in the Reuters article. If it’s not it’s poor reporting by them.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's worth noting the strong result by Viktor Orban in the Hungarian election over the weekend.  George Soros won't be impressed.  Either will the EU elites.
Orban was never going to lose, he’s effectively a dictator backed by a near entirely state run media.
Aaron
State run media?  That barely has any traction these days with the Interwebs...

Orban won because he stood up against the interference by cashed-up Western wokeratti along with corrupt ex-Communist oligarchs (who were still Commie radicals at heart) and told them to get lost.  And he had to stand on a few toes to do so.
  Sonofagunzel Minister for Railways

Today I posted a response on what is basically ‘Polish reddit’ about the MiG29 (and for that matter most soviet era jet aircraft) being able to operate from little more than compacted dirt, because the soviets most likely correctly, assumed that if the ‘west’ ever came invading they’d bomb the airstrips early.

A fairly logical point to make in reference to how the Ukrainians were still undertaking air ops.

You should have seen the heat I got for letting such secrets be known on public forums! ‘Loose lips’ and ‘stop aiding the Russians with hints’ and ‘just say you don’t know how the Ukrainians can do it’ all quite serious in nature, not at all in joking terms. Yeah, because Russia has no idea of what ops soviet aircraft were/are capable of…
Aaron
So your posts annoy people all over the world.  I wouldn't be showing off about that.  Just sayin'.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Today I posted a response on what is basically ‘Polish reddit’ about the MiG29 (and for that matter most soviet era jet aircraft) being able to operate from little more than compacted dirt, because the soviets most likely correctly, assumed that if the ‘west’ ever came invading they’d bomb the airstrips early.

A fairly logical point to make in reference to how the Ukrainians were still undertaking air ops.

You should have seen the heat I got for letting such secrets be known on public forums! ‘Loose lips’ and ‘stop aiding the Russians with hints’ and ‘just say you don’t know how the Ukrainians can do it’ all quite serious in nature, not at all in joking terms. Yeah, because Russia has no idea of what ops soviet aircraft were/are capable of…
So your posts annoy people all over the world.  I wouldn't be showing off about that.  Just sayin'.
Sonofagunzel
They were not so much annoyed, it is an example of how people can think that public knowledge is somehow 'secret', I mean there is hiding in plain sight, but the abilities of MiG29 aircraft are hardly that, their abilities have been widely known for possibly 30 years, likely longer.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It's worth noting the strong result by Viktor Orban in the Hungarian election over the weekend.  George Soros won't be impressed.  Either will the EU elites.
Orban was never going to lose, he’s effectively a dictator backed by a near entirely state run media.
State run media?  That barely has any traction these days with the Interwebs...

Orban won because he stood up against the interference by cashed-up Western wokeratti along with corrupt ex-Communist oligarchs (who were still Commie radicals at heart) and told them to get lost.  And he had to stand on a few toes to do so.
Carnot
You would be surprised how 'listened to' and believed state run media is in former communist, soviet/Warsaw Pact nations - irrespective of internet. Coupled with Gerrymandering and his sometimes non subtle control over supposedly independent media and institutions and you have yourself an election he literally couldn't lose.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Tonight we learn 100's of Russian troops who were at Chernobyl have acute radiation poisoning from their time at the power plant.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Ukraine are getting several Bushmaster vehicles from Bendigo in Victoria, this will help them no end in fighting Putin's despotic army!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

There's heaps of surplus Bushmasters parked out the back of Thales in Bendigo. I'm half expecting a Russian hypersonic missile strike on the joint at any moment...(pardon my cynicism).

They were great in Afghanistan, not so sure about Ukraine.

Meanwhile:
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Tonight we learn 100's of Russian troops who were at Chernobyl have acute radiation poisoning from their time at the power plant.
bevans
That's what happens when you go poking around in places you have no business poking around in.

These reports have been widely circulated among 'green' groups on FB and other places as example of why Chernobyl is still a deadly place, and why nuclear in general is evil.

I think this is more indicative of a need to just keep all Russians away from nuclear plants all together, after all, it was a 'Russian' Dyatlov that destroyed the place in the first place, making it the 'danger' it is today.

As terrible as these soldier's current position may be (dosage, and of 'what' being unknown) I think it is possible that a high radiation dose and evacuation from Ukraine might still see them living a longer life than if they were on the receiving end of Ukrainian munitions. The outcome might actually be a prolonged life for them.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There's heaps of surplus Bushmasters parked out the back of Thales in Bendigo. I'm half expecting a Russian hypersonic missile strike on the joint at any moment...(pardon my cynicism).

They were great in Afghanistan, not so sure about Ukraine.
Carnot
What I think we will do is pull Bushmasters out of the UK and Netherlands for fast shipment to Ukraine, then 'back fill' from our stocks to replace those units. They're pretty good amour, I reckon they'll be okay in Ukraine in even their more urban environments. Faster at getting troops over land and more efficient than tanks.

Meanwhile:
Carnot
Now I am really confused, Don told us/me that the Russians had already cut off the gas...
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Now I am really confused, Don told us/me that the Russians had already cut off the gas...
Aaron
Amazing how you're so easily confused despite having once been a Mensa member.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
It's worth noting the strong result by Viktor Orban in the Hungarian election over the weekend.  George Soros won't be impressed.  Either will the EU elites.
Orban was never going to lose, he’s effectively a dictator backed by a near entirely state run media.
State run media?  That barely has any traction these days with the Interwebs...

Orban won because he stood up against the interference by cashed-up Western wokeratti along with corrupt ex-Communist oligarchs (who were still Commie radicals at heart) and told them to get lost.  And he had to stand on a few toes to do so.
You would be surprised how 'listened to' and believed state run media is in former communist, soviet/Warsaw Pact nations - irrespective of internet. Coupled with Gerrymandering and his sometimes non subtle control over supposedly independent media and institutions and you have yourself an election he literally couldn't lose.
Aaron
Oh, for sure. A lot of the more rural minority areas have had massive amounts of money pumped in, with people with voter cards going door to door vs having going to a polling place. This excerpt is from a Hungarian youtuber who's been providing a pretty apt summary of the situation in Ukraine:

The elections in Hungary are free, but not fair. Orban controls most of Hungary's media, and turned public service TV channels, newspapers etc. into his 24/7 campaign and propaganda machine. Apart from that, Orban took over Hungary's second-biggest commercial TV channel, and two of its most popular news sites among others, and turned them into similar propaganda outlets. Opposition radio did not get a single frequency for years now.

In the countryside if you don't have access to the internet, you don't have access to any news besides Orban's. Otherwise voting from Western Europe, where there are large Hungarian diasporas, is needlessly overcomplicated, lots of hoops to jump through. Voting in Slovakia and Transylvania however, in the ethnic Hungarian areas, couldn't be any easier. They'll even show up to your house with your voting sheet if you ask them to.

These ethnic Hungarian communities have been financed by Orban for years now: new sports halls, churches, etc. Those folks will be more than happy to vote for Orban. On public media, following 4 years of pro-Orban propaganda, the opposition got 5 minutes of airtime. Between news segments detailing how the opposition would drag Hungary into the war.
Somebody
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
The Central Bank of Russia has relaunched the rouble tying it to gold and commodities - the price is one gram of gold to 5,000 roubles.

I think this is part of the plan to decouple from the influence of the US dollar as much as possible - another thing that Biden is going to hate about Russia.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Now I am really confused, Don told us/me that the Russians had already cut off the gas...
Amazing how you're so easily confused despite having once been a Mensa member.
don_dunstan
Even you would have to concede that it's pretty hard to push a recent high volume of gas through if the gas is cut off? No?

Have you read your own links yet? Did they tell you why Yamal-Europe was flowing east? Or have you otherwise worked it out?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Now I am really confused, Don told us/me that the Russians had already cut off the gas...
Amazing how you're so easily confused despite having once been a Mensa member.
Even you would have to concede that it's pretty hard to push a recent high volume of gas through if the gas is cut off? No?

Have you read your own links yet? Did they tell you why Yamal-Europe was flowing east? Or have you otherwise worked it out?
Aaron
As per Carnot's chart (above) volumes are way down. They're fully prepared to cut Europe off despite your assurances that they won't - you're completely wrong about that.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Now I am really confused, Don told us/me that the Russians had already cut off the gas...
Amazing how you're so easily confused despite having once been a Mensa member.
Even you would have to concede that it's pretty hard to push a recent high volume of gas through if the gas is cut off? No?

Have you read your own links yet? Did they tell you why Yamal-Europe was flowing east? Or have you otherwise worked it out?
As per Carnot's chart (above) volumes are way down. They're fully prepared to cut Europe off despite your assurances that they won't - you're completely wrong about that.
don_dunstan
You're a complete idiot. A week ago I failed a student with better understanding of how to interpret a graph than you!

Look at that graph again, it's presently, that is right now at the highest volume this year, the words accompanying it even tell you that ! Take at look at where it was low, and consider when that was.

I know it's hard, it doesn't get easier when you're older, but at least try and learn something.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Donny's been reporting again... If you cannot take being wrong, just stop making smeg up and posting about what you do not know, or at least pay attention to what you're being told - it's very simple.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out


https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html

Russian state media finally published the article saying that Ukrainian people should be crushed and no longer independant and the land absorbed into Russia (the one that they took down over 5 weeks ago when they didnt roll through Ukraine as planned)

  • 1) it calls almost every Ukrainian a Nazi who deserves death. "Nazis who took weapons, must be killed in numbers as much as possible... Not just the elites, the most of the people are guilty, they are passive Nazis, Nazi enablers. They supported these elites and must be punished"
  • 2) It foresees tyrannic approach to culture. "Further denacification of the mass of the population is to be reached through ideological repression (oppression) of Nazi ideas and through harsh censorship: not only in politics, but in culture and education areas".
  • 3) it foresees economic and political destruction of Ukraine: "Ukraine must pay for its guilt towards Russia. It must be treated as an enemy, and therefore may develop only in dependency to Russia. No "Marshall plan" may happen. No "neutrality" both ideological or practical".
  • 4) A tyrannical future emerges: "Personnel providing denazification in new denazified republics (plural! - Sumlenny) cannot act on another way but only with direct military-police and management support from Russia. Denazification must be a Deukrainisation".
  • 5) Ukraine is the enemy: "The history has proven: Ukraine may not exist as a national state. Any attempt to create it leads to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct... De-banderisation is not enough... Denazification of Ukraine must be De-Europeazation of it".
  • 6) Deliberate targeting of civilians: "The Bandera-elites must be liquidated, they cannot be re-educated. The social "swamp" who supported them must experience terror of war and learn the lesson, and pay for its guilt".
Somebody
You could literally replace Ukranian with Jew and Russia with Nazi and it would read like it's Germany in the 1930's and its justification for a solution to the "Jewish Question".


OH! And of note, Russia; pre invasion, wrote up new ordinences on how to deal with mass graves, as well as 45,000 body bags.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Now I am really confused, Don told us/me that the Russians had already cut off the gas...
Amazing how you're so easily confused despite having once been a Mensa member.
Even you would have to concede that it's pretty hard to push a recent high volume of gas through if the gas is cut off? No?

Have you read your own links yet? Did they tell you why Yamal-Europe was flowing east? Or have you otherwise worked it out?
As per Carnot's chart (above) volumes are way down. They're fully prepared to cut Europe off despite your assurances that they won't - you're completely wrong about that.
You're a complete idiot. A week ago I failed a student with better understanding of how to interpret a graph than you!

Look at that graph again, it's presently, that is right now at the highest volume this year, the words accompanying it even tell you that ! Take at look at where it was low, and consider when that was.

I know it's hard, it doesn't get easier when you're older, but at least try and learn something.
Aaron
Of all my persistence with Reddit and how quick the on ground information is changing, I knew the original article was already bad information when he posted it. Sources days beforehand were even saying that the HIGHLY DEPENDANT ON GAS/OIL EXPORT economy were saying one thing while still shifting product via other black market channels.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Donny's been reporting again... If you cannot take being wrong, just stop making smeg up and posting about what you do not know, or at least pay attention to what you're being told - it's very simple.
Aaron
So you have a right to call people 'idiot'?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
OH! And of note, Russia; pre invasion, wrote up new ordinences on how to deal with mass graves, as well as 45,000 body bags.
speedemon08
Tell us about how Ukraine has been repeatedly caught shooting captured Russian soldiers?

Oh, that's right, we aren't talking about Ukranian war crimes - only Russian ones.

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