Renewable energy thread 2022

 
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Anyway Don, I think this debate has well past its use by date and I'll leave it there before the mods step in as you clearly don't give a $hit what anyone says or provides.
RTT_Rules
Because you provide misleading, false information that doesn't wash with me.

And really, you're not posting on this thread any more? LOL, you'll be back, probably today.

Right?

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Now you're completely unhinged...

Perhaps a tinny and oars would have been more to your liking to cross Bass Strait...

You idiot Exclamation

M
If you want to save the planet from the ravages of the carbon monster YOU are the one who is responsible, not other people and not the government.

You aren't willing to make changes to your own lifestyle? You're a HYPOCRITE who thinks everyone else should do the heavy lifting on your behalf. Werribee creek gorge would have been just as lovely as Tasmania I'm sure, but you could have ridden your bike there.

Happy to oblige when I'm given so much material from the RW..'s...oops to work with. M.

You couldn't care less about the planet you hypocrite.
don_dunstan

Now you're telling me where I should take my holidays Question

So shrill rep from SA..you really need to look after your very tentative grip on sanity.

Time for a double Bex, a G&T and a lie down before you burst a blood vessel Exclamation

Take a few deep breaths as well.

M.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Because you provide misleading, false information that doesn't wash with me.

And really, you're not posting on this thread any more? LOL, you'll be back, probably today.

Right?
don_dunstan

And of course it's all about you...

M.
  SAR520SMBH Train Controller

Anyway Don, I think this debate has well past its use by date and I'll leave it there before the mods step in as you clearly don't give a $hit what anyone says or provides.
Because you provide misleading, false information that doesn't wash with me.

And really, you're not posting on this thread any more? LOL, you'll be back, probably today.

Right?
don_dunstan
I think RTT_Rules was referring to the corpse that you dragged up, probably because you had nothing else, about the abusive statement thing from September last year and not responding to that anymore.

Didn't you say you weren't going to respond to RTT_Rules posts anymore???
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Now you're telling me where I should take my holidays Question
The Vinelander
Only a matter of time, Mike - personal carbon trading is on its way.

You'll have to have enough carbon credits to fly in a plane or fill up your car - or the answer will be NO.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I think RTT_Rules was referring to the corpse that you dragged up, probably because you had nothing else, about the abusive statement thing from September last year and not responding to that anymore.

Didn't you say you weren't going to respond to RTT_Rules posts anymore???
SAR520SMBH
I asked RTT_Rules the exact same question when he came back to the 'Lounge' after swearing off it for life and I was told "I do what I like".

So: I do what I like.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
The UK energy companies have called for the UK government to throw more welfare at British pensioners while they increase gas and electricity prices by more than fifty percent - MSN;

Bosses of the UK’s largest energy firms have called on the government to intervene with “unprecedented” measures to prevent a fuel poverty crisis next winter.

The chief executives told MPs investigating energy prices that while pre-payment customers were already reeling from the effects of rising bills, they expected the numbers in financial distress to only increase as time goes on ahead of another expected leap in the energy price cap from October.

The cap rose by a record £693 per year on average in April – with pre-payment customers, who tend to be among the most vulnerable, facing an even larger increase.

The Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) committee heard ScottishPower chief executive Keith Anderson call for the cap system – blamed for the failure of dozens of competitors as they were unable to pass on huge rises in raw energy costs – to be scrapped in favour of a social tariff that would see the better off pay more.

He also suggested that, in the interim, a deficit fund should be established to allow people deemed struggling to be given 10 years to pay off £1,000 on their bills.

Research from industry specialist Cornwall Insight has predicted another hike of almost £500 to the average annual bill at that time reflecting, for the first time, heightened wholesale energy costs since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Such an increase would leave the average annual bill beyond £2,450.


That's a huge amount of money just for heating and cooking -
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Joe Biden telling a press conference that every military vehicle in the USA will be 'climate friendly':



So they'll have to wait for the sun to come up or the wind to blow for them to defend or attack? I'm pretty sure an enemy wouldn't use that knowledge to their advantage, would they...
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
For your benefit, Mike, here is Deputy Opposition Leader Richard Marles is refusing to answer a question here about carbon credits:



It's important because once you've chewed through your monthly (daily? annual?) carbon credit allowance by (say) flying to Tassie for the weekend you might have to BUY additional 'carbon credits' from the government in order to fill your car with petrol or pay your gas bill.

So if you don't have the carbon credits to be able to fly to Tassie for the weekend you'll have to make do with a bike trip to Werribee River Gorge. You'll be able to BUY those carbon credits of course, but only if you can afford them.

Are you starting to understand how the system will work under Labor now?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
flying to Tassie for the weekend
don_dunstan

I didn't.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Maybe the US military will turn to biofuels to replace aviation kerosene, diesel, and bunker fuel?

It's not really a great idea to sacrifice food production to feed the war machines instead....

(That said, their nuclear powered subs and ships are relatively climate friendly)
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Maybe the US military will turn to biofuels to replace aviation kerosene, diesel, and bunker fuel?

It's not really a great idea to sacrifice food production to feed the war machines instead....

(That said, their nuclear powered subs and ships are relatively climate friendly)
Carnot
They are climate freidnly as long as they never actually get used as a launch platform.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The Nats have blown the COALitions election campaign out of the water.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/net-zero-dead-nationals-force-climate-war-eruption-in-coalition-20220426-p5ag4g.html

Any semblance of COALition unity has evaporated and ScoMo will lose the election in a few short weeks.

Bye Bye dinosaur National Matt Canavan, bye bye and good riddance to 9 years of conservative inaction on climate change.

This is what the representative from SA wanted and it will blow up spectacularly.

Mike.
  Sonofagunzel Minister for Railways

Deja vu.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Gas and hydro are doing some heavy-lifting in Victoria at since it is overcast and there's not much wind.

Meanwhile:
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
The Nats have blown the COALitions election campaign out of the water.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/net-zero-dead-nationals-force-climate-war-eruption-in-coalition-20220426-p5ag4g.html

Any semblance of COALition unity has evaporated and ScoMo will lose the election in a few short weeks.

Bye Bye dinosaur National Matt Canavan, bye bye and good riddance to 9 years of conservative inaction on climate change.

This is what the representative from SA wanted and it will blow up spectacularly.

Mike.
The Vinelander
You thought this was so good it was worth plastering across two threads, but it's not even news - Matt Canavan isn't going anywhere. He represents the largest coal-mining electorate in Australia in Central QLD and is talking his book. He was told to keep quiet by Landry but what he said was true, NetZero 2050 is dead in the water as its unachievable. And it is.

And what you said there does't even make sense: "This is what the representative from SA wanted..."  What are you even blathering about - I don't care about the internal dialogue within the Coalition.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting to note that our new Labor government here in South Australia have gone awfully quiet about their commitment to a hydrogen plant here in SA. Could it be that they've realised that it's inefficient and dangerous?

Almost two thirds of the energy put into it lost as part of the process, not to mention the fact that you need highly specialised and expensive storage and transport or it'll leak and explode. Here's a breakdown of just how poor hydrogen is as a propulsion fuel:

  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The Nats have blown the COALitions election campaign out of the water.

And what you said there does't even make sense: "This is what the representative from SA wanted..."  What are you even blathering about - I don't care about the internal dialogue within the Coalition.
don_dunstan

Your advocacy for coal, bordering on paranoia is at the heart of this and you will have to accept the public has moved on significantly leaving you in its wake.

What's it like being a lonely and bitter advocate for this old technology and knowing your cause is well and truly lost Question

M.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
The Nats have blown the COALitions election campaign out of the water.

And what you said there does't even make sense: "This is what the representative from SA wanted..."  What are you even blathering about - I don't care about the internal dialogue within the Coalition.

Your advocacy for coal, bordering on paranoia is at the heart of this and you will have to accept the public has moved on significantly leaving you in its wake.

What's it like being a lonely and bitter advocate for this old technology and knowing your cause is well and truly lost Question

M.
The Vinelander
Yeah see the issue I have is that you ascribe feelings and emotions to me that I simply don't have. It's like when the Overland got funded entirely by the VIC government - you seemed to think that I was going to take it personally.

Same with this whole climate change thing, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a consumer who doesn't have the middle class welfare of solar panels and could never afford my own 'stand alone' system. The Dunstan household is going to suffer terribly if coal is banished across the eastern seaboard, we rely on it here to keep the lights on in little ole' SA. RTT_Rules was trying to tell me that the construction of the new HV line to NSW would offer extra, triple redundancy but I just don't believe him given every state is getting rid of the redundancy of fossil fuel.

See where I'm coming from, Mike? No, of course you don't - because you're unable to think beyond the bleating of 'coal baaaad!'
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Coal won't be banished for a looong time yet, they are still running massive trains out of the Hunter Valley and further up 24/7, these trains are 70-100 wagons long.
  Sonofagunzel Minister for Railways

What's it like being a lonely and bitter advocate?
The Vinelander
Don’t know, Mike. Tell us, please.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Coal won't be banished for a looong time yet, they are still running massive trains out of the Hunter Valley and further up 24/7, these trains are 70-100 wagons long.
lsrailfan
Global coal mining is close to or has peaked, we won't now for a few years especially after the disruption to the trneds of 2020 and the booming of 2021 and 2022 and now disruption from the Ukraine conflict on gas demand in the EU. Hence while coal mining now is booming, but this is more playing catch up and just a temporary gap filler. With a global recession becoming a potential reality then expect a further significant reduction for which there will be no recovery as this will kill off older industry.

The US is now mining less than 50% of the coal it mined in the mid 2000's due in part to rapidly declining domestic demand for power generation. Australia's relatively low cost high quality coal especially lower sulphur content which is becoming a major requirement for most emerging and developed nations will support strong local mining and potential growth for some time yet as the likes of the Hazellwood are killed off in preference to lower emissions per MW coal power.

Globally, while coal demand will no doubt be in decline by 2025 and decline rapidly beyond the early to mid 2035's, it will continue to be very much part of our economy well beyond most of us will cease walking on this rock.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
The Nats have blown the COALitions election campaign out of the water.

And what you said there does't even make sense: "This is what the representative from SA wanted..."  What are you even blathering about - I don't care about the internal dialogue within the Coalition.

Your advocacy for coal, bordering on paranoia is at the heart of this and you will have to accept the public has moved on significantly leaving you in its wake.

What's it like being a lonely and bitter advocate for this old technology and knowing your cause is well and truly lost Question

M.
Yeah see the issue I have is that you ascribe feelings and emotions to me that I simply don't have. It's like when the Overland got funded entirely by the VIC government - you seemed to think that I was going to take it personally.

Same with this whole climate change thing, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a consumer who doesn't have the middle class welfare of solar panels and could never afford my own 'stand alone' system. The Dunstan household is going to suffer terribly if coal is banished across the eastern seaboard, we rely on it here to keep the lights on in little ole' SA. RTT_Rules was trying to tell me that the construction of the new HV line to NSW would offer extra, triple redundancy but I just don't believe him given every state is getting rid of the redundancy of fossil fuel.

See where I'm coming from, Mike? No, of course you don't - because you're unable to think beyond the bleating of 'coal baaaad!'
don_dunstan

Completely expected...look over there response.

Coal good...renewables bad, because the representative from SA says so...laughable. Nothing changes, you're still left behind through your own pig headed devotion. YOU make your choices about energy generation and consumption in your household and you live with the personal consequences.

You can stew and rant a while, I might be back in a few days to see if the diatribe has changed.

M.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Completely expected...look over there response.

Coal good...renewables bad, because the representative from SA says so...laughable. Nothing changes, you're still left behind through your own pig headed devotion. YOU make your choices about energy generation and consumption in your household and you live with the personal consequences.

You can stew and rant a while, I might be back in a few days to see if the diatribe has changed.

M.
The Vinelander
You never actually address what my arguments are because (again) you don't understand what the issues actually are. If you understood what the issues were you'd be able to form a half an argument in response to me - but again you can't so you just bleat away like the sheep that you are.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Electric bus doing what electric buses do in Paris:

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