Daniel Andrews Imploding Act

 
Topic moved from The Lounge by bevans on 17 Feb 2022 13:11
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Come November it seems that we have two choices:
  • Corrupt, arrogant and incompetent.
  • Too incompetent to be corrupt.

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  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Dan Andrews has a harder job ahead in November

Did we just watch the same election? If the federal result in Victoria is repeated in November, the state Libs will be essentially relegated to minor party status, especially given that there are plans afoot to run Teal candidates in state seats in the inner east.

The ALP victory in 2018 took many eastern suburbs seats and the greens didn't have the successes they expected around Melbourne. Similar to this 2022 federal result actually.

The ALP wont lose the heartland seats in the western suburbs, their margins are way too big.

Dear Mr. Lane, my question is and still is not votes leaving LIBS for the ALP but votes leaving the LIBS and ALP for minor parties.
bevans

There is nothing in the federal result that suggests the ALP will lose seats in the state election: as someone pointed out the ALP didn't lose a single seat in Victoria in the federal poll, not even to the Greens. Where they suffered swings none were even close to making those seats marginal.

I wouldn't rule out the Greens having better luck at the next state election in electorates like Northcote, Melbourne Ports and Richmond, but I doubt that is what the Herald Sun is trying to suggest.

The Libs will very likely lose inner city seats to the Teals and even the ALP may lose one or two here that they normally would never have won anyway, like Hawthorn.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Dan Andrews has a harder job ahead in November

Did we just watch the same election? If the federal result in Victoria is repeated in November, the state Libs will be essentially relegated to minor party status, especially given that there are plans afoot to run Teal candidates in state seats in the inner east.

The ALP victory in 2018 took many eastern suburbs seats and the greens didn't have the successes they expected around Melbourne. Similar to this 2022 federal result actually.

The ALP wont lose the heartland seats in the western suburbs, their margins are way too big.

Dear Mr. Lane, my question is and still is not votes leaving LIBS for the ALP but votes leaving the LIBS and ALP for minor parties.

There is nothing in the federal result that suggests the ALP will lose seats in the state election: as someone pointed out the ALP didn't lose a single seat in Victoria in the federal poll, not even to the Greens. Where they suffered swings none were even close to making those seats marginal.

I wouldn't rule out the Greens having better luck at the next state election in electorates like Northcote, Melbourne Ports and Richmond, but I doubt that is what the Herald Sun is trying to suggest.

The Libs will very likely lose inner city seats to the Teals and even the ALP may lose one or two here that they normally would never have won anyway, like Hawthorn.
Mr. Lane
Will the Teals even run in the State Election?  I can't understand why they are called "Independents" in the first place tbh.  They were largely planted there by Simon Holmes-a-Magistrates-Court to oust the Morrison Federal Govt.  Mission Accomplished perhaps?

It'll be interesting to see what the wash-up of the IBAC inquiries involving Dan will be...
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Dan Andrews has a harder job ahead in November

Did we just watch the same election? If the federal result in Victoria is repeated in November, the state Libs will be essentially relegated to minor party status, especially given that there are plans afoot to run Teal candidates in state seats in the inner east.

The ALP victory in 2018 took many eastern suburbs seats and the greens didn't have the successes they expected around Melbourne. Similar to this 2022 federal result actually.

The ALP wont lose the heartland seats in the western suburbs, their margins are way too big.

Dear Mr. Lane, my question is and still is not votes leaving LIBS for the ALP but votes leaving the LIBS and ALP for minor parties.

There is nothing in the federal result that suggests the ALP will lose seats in the state election: as someone pointed out the ALP didn't lose a single seat in Victoria in the federal poll, not even to the Greens. Where they suffered swings none were even close to making those seats marginal.

I wouldn't rule out the Greens having better luck at the next state election in electorates like Northcote, Melbourne Ports and Richmond, but I doubt that is what the Herald Sun is trying to suggest.

The Libs will very likely lose inner city seats to the Teals and even the ALP may lose one or two here that they normally would never have won anyway, like Hawthorn.
Will the Teals even run in the State Election?  I can't understand why they are called "Independents" in the first place tbh.  They were largely planted there by Simon Holmes-a-Magistrates-Court to oust the Morrison Federal Govt.  Mission Accomplished perhaps?

It'll be interesting to see what the wash-up of the IBAC inquiries involving Dan will be...
Carnot
The people who voted for the teals were a lot of the past "we dont like vote for Labor or Greens but our policies align more with the Labor/Greens sometimes" moderates.

And if sentiment that I read on reddit is to be believed, a loooot of well off people are indeed concerned about their childrens future, despite what the further moving to the far reaches of the right Liberals will believe or use the media to claim.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Is the End of Dan Andrews as Premier immanent?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Banned
Is the End of Dan Andrews as Premier immanent?
"Carnot"
Or even imminent?
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Will the Teals even run in the State Election? I can't understand why they are called "Independents" in the first place tbh. They were largely planted there by Simon Holmes-a-Magistrates-Court to oust the Morrison Federal Govt. Mission Accomplished perhaps? It'll be interesting to see what the wash-up of the IBAC inquiries involving Dan will be...
Carnot

The same organisation behind the Teals says they are also running candidates in the next Victorian and NSW elections. I guess they are officially independent as they don't actually belong to a registered party, but that doesn't mean they vote act like a party.

With the Liberals moving to the right there is a genuine gap in the market for moderate conservatives, the type of conservative that Turnbull represented.

There is also the Centre Alliance which retained it's sole seat in SA that grew out of the Nick Xenophon alliance and it will be interesting to see where that movement goes.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

The people who voted for the teals were a lot of the past "we dont like vote for Labor or Greens but our policies align more with the Labor/Greens sometimes" moderates.

And if sentiment that I read on reddit is to be believed, a loooot of well off people are indeed concerned about their childrens future, despite what the further moving to the far reaches of the right Liberals will believe or use the media to claim.
speedemon08

It really is bizarre: the ALPs base is evaporating with the decline in unionised labour and manufacturing, but the Liberals are abandoning their base voluntarily. The Liberals won't have a future in Australia if they go further to the right, they need to recapture the centre, because that is where elections are won in Australia. It seems they still don't realise this and have concluded they need to go further to the right. Given the right wing parties like ONP, UAP and LibDems failed at this election its very difficult to see how they have drawn the conclusions they seem to be drawing.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Given the right wing parties like ONP, UAP and LibDems failed at this election …
Mr. Lane
Given they are on track to win one of the six Senate seats in Victoria and the protest vote will be against Labor, UAP are in with a legitimate chance of winning the upper house balance of power after the state election later this year.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh no... Dan can't blame the problems in the Victorian hospital system on COVID any more... or can he?

  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Oh no... Dan can't blame the problems in the Victorian hospital system on COVID any more... or can he?

don_dunstan

Let the Murdoch media bleat...it didn't stop them from getting a right decent serve of egg on their collective faces last Saturday.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of the electorate saw right through it.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Let the Murdoch media bleat...it didn't stop them from getting a right decent serve of egg on their collective faces last Saturday.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of the electorate saw right through it.

Mike.
The Vinelander
So the hospital staff, doctors and ambos complaining about under-resourcing and ramping are all liars, hey Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Let the Murdoch media bleat...it didn't stop them from getting a right decent serve of egg on their collective faces last Saturday.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of the electorate saw right through it.

Mike.
So the hospital staff, doctors and ambos complaining about under-resourcing and ramping are all liars, hey Mike.
don_dunstan

You are such a pretzel.

M.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Let the Murdoch media bleat...it didn't stop them from getting a right decent serve of egg on their collective faces last Saturday.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of the electorate saw right through it.

Mike.
So the hospital staff, doctors and ambos complaining about under-resourcing and ramping are all liars, hey Mike.

You are such a pretzel.

M.
The Vinelander
You've got nothing, have you Mike.

Tell us again how the ambos are lying about ramping in your state just to get at your beloved Dear Leader.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
THE state government has been ordered to hand over any and all correspondence between Daniel Andrews and property developer John Woodman.

It comes just weeks after revelations the Premier had been secretly grilled in an anti-corruption probe investigating allegedly corrupt land deals.

An upper house motion on Wednesday passed requiring the government to table in parliament all emails and other correspondence between the pair. Any correspondence between the Premier or his office and Mr Woodman or his employees will need to be tabled within three weeks.

It was revealed this month the Premier was quizzed by the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission over his association with Mr Woodman.

Mr Woodman is under investigation for allegedly corrupt land deals, and has been central to the IBAC’s Operation Sandon.


Premier Daniel Andrews during question time. Picture: David Crosling
The investigation is one of two known probes to have involved the Premier.

He has also been questioned in secret as part of IBAC’s Operation Watts, which investigated claims of widespread corruption within the Victorian Labor Party.

He has refused to say whether or not he has been questioned as part of a third IBAC investigation probing his government’s dealings with the United Firefighters Union over the controversial amalgamation of the state’s fire services.

As part of Operation Sandon, Mr Andrews was questioned about his association with Mr Woodman and whether the Premier had been given his phone number.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/state-government-forced-to-table-correspondence-between-daniel-andrews-and-john-woodman/news-story/c9d4687535afe20ba49e389cd4804fe5
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Let the Murdoch media bleat...it didn't stop them from getting a right decent serve of egg on their collective faces last Saturday.

Fortunately the overwhelming majority of the electorate saw right through it.

Mike.
So the hospital staff, doctors and ambos complaining about under-resourcing and ramping are all liars, hey Mike.

You are such a pretzel.

M.
You've got nothing, have you Mike.

Tell us again how the ambos are lying about ramping in your state just to get at your beloved Dear Leader.
don_dunstan

I've got plenty, but as I've said in other threads, I won't engage with you as you are so off the planet...hence the pretzel metaphor.

M.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
There is severe hospital ramping going on in NSW at the moment, in the whole of Sydney currently, and this was apparent as of 15:20pm, there were only 12 ambos on the road (operational).
  Sonofagunzel Minister for Railways

I won't engage with you as you are so off the planet...hence the pretzel metaphor.

M.
The Vinelander
But you are engaging, Mike.

I had a look through my space telescope - the only pretzel I found was this one:



I emailed an astronomer friend for confirmation.  He said “These two baby stars are found in the [BHB2007] 11 system. We see two compact sources that we interpret as circumstellar disks.”

I think there's a typo in that last sentence.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
I won't engage with you as you are so off the planet...hence the pretzel metaphor.

M.
But you are engaging, Mike.

I had a look through my space telescope - the only pretzel I found was this one:



I emailed an astronomer friend for confirmation.  He said “These two baby stars are found in the [BHB2007] 11 system. We see two compact sources that we interpret as circumstellar disks.”

I think there's a typo in that last sentence.
Sonofagunzel
I passed through Ballan on the train the other day and I could feel the black hole of ignorance sucking the knowledge out of the universe...
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Those lying ambulance drivers! Don't they know Dan is the best thing since sliced bread...

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
With the dire state of Victoria now being unpacked post pandemic if you can call it post a royal commission being proposed into all the decisions surrounding the management of the pandemic leading to the collapse of many businesses and lives due to the heavy handed Daniel Andrew’s. we also have the quarantine mismanagement under him and deaths from that failure.

corruption is a major problem now as more and more comes out. What Victoria needs is transparency and quickly including a royal commission.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The only reason Daniel Andrews is still premier is because the Victorian Liberals are a laughing stock and not even remotely fit for government. Every single time they have been in government in the past seventy years has been detrimental to Victoria. Most notable examples: Bolte made sure we were stuck in 1953 for twenty years straight, and Kennett killed off three quarters of Victoria's public transport and sold everything off to for-profit companies, splitting the suburban network in two in the process. I can't even remember what the Baillieu government did for Victoria, but I seem to remember him being nicknamed Bailout.

I'm not going to suck up to Labor though, they have wasted way too much money on the SRL, new trains that can only run on one single line, and pointless level crossing removals while proving next to no service improvements. Meanwhile, suburban buses are on average every 40 minutes to every hour while bus services after 6PM or on Sundays are still optional extras in 2022. The government actually has minimum bus service standards of 6AM-9PM seven days a week, but they are not enforced whatsoever, so bus companies so minimum hours and get paid regardless. Route 745 takes the cake. Probably gets just as much money as the 901.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
With the dire state of Victoria now being unpacked post pandemic if you can call it post a royal commission being proposed into all the decisions surrounding the management of the pandemic leading to the collapse of many businesses and lives due to the heavy handed Daniel Andrew’s. we also have the quarantine mismanagement under him and deaths from that failure.

corruption is a major problem now as more and more comes out. What Victoria needs is transparency and quickly including a royal commission.
freightgate
Like the Royal Commission into the Covid Hotel Rent-a-Crowd, perhaps. Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
When Dan was Opposition Leader he had no issue making ambulance wait times/ramping an issue for the Napthine Liberal government - yet now that it's his problem he doesn't want to talk about it:

  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

The only reason Daniel Andrews is still premier is because the Victorian Liberals are a laughing stock and not even remotely fit for government. Every single time they have been in government in the past seventy years has been detrimental to Victoria. Most notable examples: Bolte made sure we were stuck in 1953 for twenty years straight, and Kennett killed off three quarters of Victoria's public transport and sold everything off to for-profit companies, splitting the suburban network in two in the process. I can't even remember what the Baillieu government did for Victoria, but I seem to remember him being nicknamed Bailout.

I'm not going to suck up to Labor though, they have wasted way too much money on the SRL, new trains that can only run on one single line, and pointless level crossing removals while proving next to no service improvements. Meanwhile, suburban buses are on average every 40 minutes to every hour while bus services after 6PM or on Sundays are still optional extras in 2022. The government actually has minimum bus service standards of 6AM-9PM seven days a week, but they are not enforced whatsoever, so bus companies so minimum hours and get paid regardless. Route 745 takes the cake. Probably gets just as much money as the 901.
Heihachi_73
Totally agree. This Government is all about shiny new infrastructure. Money is no object for the SRL, whilst our Bus Network is barely functioning and the comms network is failing on V/line. And most of out transit stock be it bus, tram or train is absolute crap.

And he is hell bent on getting the Eastern portion of the SRL completed because it affects marginal seats, when the Western section can be completed with minimal build because 75% already exists.

Our Bus Network needs a complete overhaul, not just the creation of 1 new route every now, meeting the bare minimum service standards. And this would benefit Melbourne in a short space of time, not 2035, if you are lucky.

Baillieu got ousted and replaced by Napthine and the Coalition has since shifted further to the right.


Mannie

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