Transhipment capacity doubles at Kazakh border rail terminal

 

News article: Transhipment capacity doubles at Kazakh border rail terminal

The second stage of the Dostyk TransTerminal container facility at the break of gauge on Kazakhstan’s border with China has opened.

  WimbledonW Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
This Break Of Gauge would be more efficiently overcome if the trains were fitted with Talgo RD Gauge change bogies.

The BOG would be run through at about 15km/h (4.2m/s) which is a good walking pace. That is a rate of about 1 axle per second. A bogie exchange might be one bogies in say 3 minutes. A container transfer might be 3 minutes each.

The cost of each Gauge Change bogie is unknown at present, but developmental costs would average out before long.

Areas to store containers would become unnecessary.

Transshipment capacity doubles at Kazakh border rail terminal

So long as the Gauge of the Gauge Change kit avoid narrow ones like 1000mm and 1067mm there is adequate space between the wheels of 1435mm and 1520mm gauges for brakes and traction motors.

See Video GC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiH4kt14yGw

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Talgo gauge change bogies have been in revenue service for over 50 years and other systems (the interoperable DBAG-Rafil and PKP-SUW 2000 systems, CAF-BRAVA, BACGS, RTRI etc) have been available for plenty of time as well, so there must be a good reason (or more than one) that they were not chosen for the Chinese government's New Silk Road initiatives.

The more extreme weather conditions encountered during a single China-Europe freight transit may be part of the reason. If the capital cost is sensible but they are very maintenance intensive, that would be prohibitive.

Perhaps the fact that each change of gauge is also a customs inspection (and probably changeover of locomotives and crew) might be part of it. No reason to replace transshipment if it won't actually make the journey faster.

But if you think you know better than the senior railway management in Beijing, why not send an email and tell them? It would be far more useful than continuing to push it on Railpage, where nobody is buying into it.
  WimbledonW Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Talgo gauge change bogies have been in revenue service for over 50 years and other systems (the interoperable DBAG-Rafil and PKP-SUW 2000 systems, CAF-BRAVA, BACGS, RTRI etc) have been available for plenty of time as well, so there must be a good reason (or more than one) that they were not chosen for the Chinese government's New Silk Road initiatives.

In the more extreme weather conditions encountered in Sweden, Finland and Russia the GC kit have reported to have performed satisfactorily.

Perhaps the fact that each change of gauge is also a customs inspection (and probably changeover of locomotives and crew) might be part of it. No reason to replace transshipment if it won't actually make the journey faster. ALSO it is an opportunity  to remarshal the containers according to their final destination. BTW, the Gauge Change bogies for freight are of recent design say 8 years old and it is not know why TALGO RD hasn't been adopted more widely as we speak.

But if you think you know better than the senior railway management in Beijing, why not send an email and tell them? There is a Mandarin version of RGI Smile
justapassenger
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I thought I had read that the Finland route swapped over to the DBAG-Rafil system because the Talgo one couldn't deal with the cold.

The problem for the China-Europe route would be the more violent thermal cycles of hot and cold temperatures as the route goes through a wider variety of climate zones including deserts.
  WimbledonW Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I thought I had read that the Finland route swapped over to the DBAG-Rafil system because the Talgo one couldn't deal with the cold.

The problem for the China-Europe route would be the more violent thermal cycles of hot and cold temperatures as the route goes through a wider variety of climate zones including deserts.
@justapassenger Can you be more specific about "I thought I had read ..." ?

The following clip claims "satisfactory performance ... under extreme climatic conditions ... in Sweden, Finland and Russia".



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwNl-g_91GE from 5:00 extreme conditions.

The Gauge Change kit always seems to be in a shed under cover and protected from the worst of the cold. The Talgo kit uses what looks to be water as the lubricant for the metal to metal sliding parts so the water has to be kept above a temperature above 0 degree Centigrade.

[b]@justapassenger[/b] Thanks. Your post drew my attention to the water freezing problem. Maybe the frozen fluid problem is non-water or alcohol.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Talgo gauge change bogies have been in revenue service for over 50 years and other systems (the interoperable DBAG-Rafil and PKP-SUW 2000 systems, CAF-BRAVA, BACGS, RTRI etc) have been available for plenty of time as well, so there must be a good reason (or more than one) that they were not chosen for the Chinese government's New Silk Road initiatives.

justapassenger
Perhaps someone should tell Adelaide so that when our 40 year old diesels retire, new trains can serve the overspill suburbs currently going up without massive disruptin

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