Why was the Heathrow Express line built?

 
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
What were the reasons for building the Heathrow Express line when Heathrow Airport was already being served by the Picadilly line of the London Underground? Would it have been cheaper to upgrade the Picadilly line?

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

To provide a faster connection to the mainline rail network?

Piccadilly Line is a deep-level tube line which would be prohibitively expensive to expand to a mainline loading gauge.

It is really coming into its own now that it is also served by Elizabeth Line trains providing more effective connections in London with the future Old Oak Common Interchange to only improve it further.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
What were the reasons for building the Heathrow Express line when Heathrow Airport was already being served by the Picadilly line of the London Underground? Would it have been cheaper to upgrade the Picadilly line?
GeoffreyHansen
I have travelled the tube to Heathrow. It was slow and a challenge with my luggage. Heathrow Express is designed for people that are willing to pay for a shorter travel time in carriages designed for them.

Also I think the Picadilly line couldn't cope with the increase in traffic.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
To provide a faster connection to the mainline rail network?

Piccadilly Line is a deep-level tube line which would be prohibitively expensive to expand to a mainline loading gauge.

It is really coming into its own now that it is also served by Elizabeth Line trains providing more effective connections in London with the future Old Oak Common Interchange to only improve it further.
justapassenger

The Piccadilly Line is above ground once you get out of London area and get closer to the airport.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
That may be true but it's those small tunnels through the centre that would be the biggest problem.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

So slow on the Piccadilly line, stopping all stations.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
So slow on the Piccadilly line, stopping all stations.
duttonbay
So expensive. - $60 (paddington express) instead of $10 (kings cross SAS). for 15min instead of 55

And when you're just at Paddington you need to pay another $10  , and another 30min, on the Underground to where you really want to be.

Just depends whereabouts in London you are going to.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

So expensive. - $60 (paddington express) instead of $10 (kings cross SAS). for 15min instead of 55
justarider
But now there are also Elizabeth Line trains using the mainline connection as well as Heathrow Express, offering modern fit-for-purpose EMUs and direct connections to GWML, Thameslink, GEML, DLR etc

Previously, the mainline connection also had cheaper Heathrow Connect trains which stopped at a handful of mainline stations from Heathrow to Paddington.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Where does the Heathrow express terminate in London ?
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Paddington
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
So expensive. - $60 (paddington express) instead of $10 (kings cross SAS). for 15min instead of 55
But now there are also Elizabeth Line trains using the mainline connection as well as Heathrow Express, offering modern fit-for-purpose EMUs and direct connections to GWML, Thameslink, GEML, DLR etc

Previously, the mainline connection also had cheaper Heathrow Connect trains which stopped at a handful of mainline stations from Heathrow to Paddington.
justapassenger
Yep Elizabeth too. Still being dictated by where in London you want to go.

30min $15.
Stopping the same 7 locals as the previous Heathrowe Coňnect. So you chose cheap & slow, or pay more. Easy decision for individual circumstance.

Shoulda mentioned, Piccadilly is 3min headway. The others 15min

PS  Piccadilly train are all being replaced, starting next year.  Faster, open ganģway, bigger doors, more pax and AIR CON,  36tph is the goal.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways


PS  Piccadilly train are all being replaced, starting next year.  Faster, open ganģway, bigger doors, more pax and AIR CON,  36tph is the goal.
justarider

Any room for airport luggage?  The other hassle with the Piccadilly line is taking luggage with you, especially coming out of London when the trains can be busy.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

PS  Piccadilly train are all being replaced, starting next year.  Faster, open ganģway, bigger doors, more pax and AIR CON,  36tph is the goal.
-justarider


Any room for airport luggage?  The other hassle with the Piccadilly line is taking luggage with you, especially coming out of London when the trains can be busy.
duttonbay
Seems much the same. Pile up your bags at the Disabled spot next to the door.

Does sound terrible, yet the hundred or so times I've ridden it, seen ONE pax in a wheelchair.
If one gets on, suck it up and give them their spot.

The pleasing thing is the locals are usually polite and helpful to out of towners. It is just a normal day for them. Melbourne could learn a lot.
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

To provide a faster connection to the mainline rail network?

Piccadilly Line is a deep-level tube line which would be prohibitively expensive to expand to a mainline loading gauge.

It is really coming into its own now that it is also served by Elizabeth Line trains providing more effective connections in London with the future Old Oak Common Interchange to only improve it further.

The Piccadilly Line is above ground once you get out of London area and get closer to the airport.
bevans
The Piccadilly Line is above ground from Barons Court which is in Inner London. One stop west (Piccadilly) or two stops west (District) of Earls Court.


Mannie
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

So slow on the Piccadilly line, stopping all stations.
duttonbay
Yes, but remember, the Piccadilly Line was a mere extension from Hounslow West. It was never purpose built.


Mannie
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

What were the reasons for building the Heathrow Express line when Heathrow Airport was already being served by the Picadilly line of the London Underground? Would it have been cheaper to upgrade the Picadilly line?
GeoffreyHansen
The Piccadilly Line was extended to Heathrow from Hounslow West, a mere 3 or so miles away. Primarily to have Heathrow be served by rail. There was always going to be main line express services serving the Airport, to rival that of Gatwick Airport, a somewhat smaller airport, that was served by express services to Victoria.

How would you upgrade the Piccadilly Line? It is built to Tube dimensions.


Mannie
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
So slow on the Piccadilly line, stopping all stations.
So expensive. - $60 (paddington express) instead of $10 (kings cross SAS). for 15min instead of 55

And when you're just at Paddington you need to pay another $10  , and another 30min, on the Underground to where you really want to be.

Just depends whereabouts in London you are going to.
justarider

Or...Heathrow Express is included in your First Class, or Economy if that's your thing, extremely economical Brit Rail pass that you'll have purchased in Australia before heading over to the Old dart.

Mike.
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

So expensive. - $60 (paddington express) instead of $10 (kings cross SAS). for 15min instead of 55
But now there are also Elizabeth Line trains using the mainline connection as well as Heathrow Express, offering modern fit-for-purpose EMUs and direct connections to GWML, Thameslink, GEML, DLR etc

Previously, the mainline connection also had cheaper Heathrow Connect trains which stopped at a handful of mainline stations from Heathrow to Paddington.
Yep Elizabeth too. Still being dictated by where in London you want to go.

30min $15.
Stopping the same 7 locals as the previous Heathrowe Coňnect. So you chose cheap & slow, or pay more. Easy decision for individual circumstance.

Shoulda mentioned, Piccadilly is 3min headway. The others 15min

PS  Piccadilly train are all being replaced, starting next year.  Faster, open ganģway, bigger doors, more pax and AIR CON,  36tph is the goal.
justarider
Stopping the same 7 locals as the previous Heathrowe Coňnect. So you chose cheap & slow, or pay more. Easy decision for individual circumstance.

Heathrow Connect did not stop at Acton Main Line, which was covered by Trains to Greenford. Heathrow Trains on the Elizabeth Line will stop at Acton Main Line as Greenford branch trains now terminate at West Ealing.

When the start of Phase 2 of the Elizabeth Line in Autumn 2022, there will be through running from Heathrow to Abbey Wood, which will call at Paddington, Bond Street, Tottenham Court Road, Farringdon, Liverpool Street, Whitechapel and Canary Wharf.

I wonder if Heathrow Express will survive? Certainly patronage will be hit on both the Piccadilly Line and Heathrow Express. Oyster and Contactless will be valid on Elizabeth Line services to Heathrow


Mannie
  BaysideManny Assistant Commissioner

So expensive. - $60 (paddington express) instead of $10 (kings cross SAS). for 15min instead of 55
But now there are also Elizabeth Line trains using the mainline connection as well as Heathrow Express, offering modern fit-for-purpose EMUs and direct connections to GWML, Thameslink, GEML, DLR etc

Previously, the mainline connection also had cheaper Heathrow Connect trains which stopped at a handful of mainline stations from Heathrow to Paddington.
Yep Elizabeth too. Still being dictated by where in London you want to go.

30min $15.
Stopping the same 7 locals as the previous Heathrowe Coňnect. So you chose cheap & slow, or pay more. Easy decision for individual circumstance.

Shoulda mentioned, Piccadilly is 3min headway. The others 15min

PS  Piccadilly train are all being replaced, starting next year.  Faster, open ganģway, bigger doors, more pax and AIR CON,  36tph is the goal.
justarider
Not all 36tph will go to Heathrow. At least 12tph will serve Rayners Lane and Uxbridge.


Mannie

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